Raonic is 21. It was also a close match. Murray has retained two Masters titles before. Andy Murray is a Grand Slam champion and has many more titles to win.
On the other hand, it's a shame that brutes with little talent such as Raonic are on the way to achieving things. There are 12 year olds in the local park with a better return. They probably have better backhands too. Hope Nishikori slams the lanky mug and demonstrates that there is more to tennis that bashing the ball as hard as possible whilst standing still. Thank God they slowed down the courts all those years ago.
SCOT = 1 T.
ScoTT...is Mr.Of-The-Antarctic.
For someone who is considered one of the greatest by many on here he certainly hasnt defended much eh?
Even with Federer and Djokovic out of the daw,he still couldnt defend Japan...
His teeth certainly look like they are from the Antarctic Hector
It's no wonder this forum is virtually dead with rubbish like this being posted.
Murray has more talent in his little finger than the OP will ever have.
And a Scot has only one T in the spelling dumb nuts.
Vee-jay, time you considered changing your diet of sour grapes.
Yes I must be sour grapes cause Murray cant defend anything,so what do you suggest I change my diet to,lame excuse for a bitter lemon?
@ luvtennis
Yeah Murray is more talented at tennis then I am,but Im not the one who is a pro tennis athlete,how can Murray be one of the greatest if he cant defend sh * it ?
Please do enlighten me...
vee-jgay andy murray is a grand slam champion and olympic gold medalist.
how's them sour grapes tasting
oh and in case you hadn't worked it out yet vj it's all about building up to slams now for Andy. hey bet you're glad i'm here cos you'd never have understood how the rest of the season works
vee-jay, are you saying that you know better than Fed, Nadal and Nole who all say Murray is a great player then?
Do you have some insight that reveals that all these great players are actually completely misguided about Murray?
Perhaps the fact that they haven't defended every title they've ever won means your assessment is worth more than theirs?
Or perhaps you just want to bash Murray and use whatever excuse you can.
very poor on a British forum to slate our islands greatest ever player at every turn
for shame
When did I ever say I know better then Fed? Please show me where I said that,otherwise dont put words in my mouth Jonty
Even if I did hypothetically imply that,its called a difference of opinion which I am entirely entitled to,just because I may have a different opinion and chose to voice it doesnt automatically mean I dismiss another opinion or think mine holds more weight,it jut means its my opinion
Of course the likes of Roger and Novak will praise Murray for finally winning a major and everything else he achieves,Murray is a great player,a world class player if you wish..no one here is disputing that
It is however the opinion of some on here that Murray is one of the greatest...that unfortunately I cannot agree with,especially when Murray fails to defend titles even when he is the top seed
If you dont like my opinion,tough luck Im not going to sugar coat the truth to make it easier for anyone to deal with
Winning titles makes you a very good player of calibre,defending those titles to stay at the top is what makes you truly great
Roger - 7 Wimbledons
Nadal -7 RG titles
Get the point?
Otherwise what separates them if Murray who has never defended anything other then 1 or 2 Masters series is placed in the same conversation as players who have achieved some of the greatest feats the game has ever seen
ah it's not about winning anymore, it's about definding what you won before. feck Andy should have defended this then he could relax for a while until it comes to defending another title again
jeeso what a load of mince
Theres a difference between slating and being critical, besides haters makes the best motivators
If you all want to elevate Murray up with the greatest players then be prepared for what comes with the territory-critcism
If you dont like or cant handle it then dont set the bar so high
Yes Murray is British,or Scottish as he puts it but lets not get carried away here,Murray was produced mostly in Spain was he not?
i don't care where he was produced nor does anyone else. he's scottish and british, no debate in that.
he has elevated the game on this island single handedly.
i don't recall anyone ever lauding him as one of the greats, what has been said is he has it in him to perhaps become one of the greats
why you may have an issue with that is more for your own conscience than for a debate on here
If its just an issue that is more for my own conscience then why do you even care?
Of course you dont care where he was produced cause that entitles British fans to take some credit for Murrays achievements just because he holds a U.K passport
Truth is if Murray stayed here in the U.K he would most likely have been just another mediocre underachieving talent who cant make it past the 1st round at Wimbledon
But if there is one thing I will do,it would be to commend him for single handily carrying the weight and burden of a nation and the sport,that must be one of the hardest things a pro athlete could ever do and I gotta say he does it with some class
As for not recalling anyone lauding him as one of the greatest..either you have a selective memory or selective reading,which one is it?
he has scottish/british blood coursing thru his veins. he is mightily proud of this. can you explain why you continually mock him and can't embrace him like the vast majority of us
Well you first have to win before you can defend...I thought that was common knowledge but I guess I was wrong
Yeah I agree...what a load of pork mince especially when some say " Nadal has never defended anything apart from his clay titles"
Now why would we use that against Nadal but not hold Murray to the same standard?
Why the double standard?
why the dodge the question. i haven't mentioned nadal or any other player.
why do you dislike andy murray?
Who ever said he cant be proud of being Scottish??
He can be as proud as he wants to be,in fact you can be proud enough of him being Scottish for both of us
The two of you can be so proud of him being Scottish that you can have a pride parade to celebrate that,even I will come to support you
Im sorry if you dont like the fact that I like to keep things real.No player is above the game for me,and no player is above being criticised,I apply the same principle to each player
but you do evade a question that is continually asked of you
How many questions have I asked you that you evaded?
I dont hate Murray,how can I hate someone I have never even met?
Im just a very critical person,and my intention was merely to prove the difference in class.People throw around the words "greatest" too easily these days,every time someone win a major suddenly they are being called the greatest
I find it insulting especially to former greats who have earned the right to be called the greatest
As for the point about Nadal,completely wasted on you....lets hope Jonty gets it
i haven't mentioned greatest so whatever other reason can you come up with for disliking the greatest player born on our island?
someone said murray is a great in the game and it riled you to a point that you post article after article slating him
unbelievably shallow and immature
Why should I keep answering your questions if you cant be bothered to answer anything I ask you?
You said:
"i haven't mentioned greatest so whatever "
and then you go on to say:
" the greatest player born on our island?"
Looks like you suffer from both selective memory and selective reading
veegay are you a politician? unbelievable selective in how you perceive a question.
Andy Murray IS the greatest player born on this island. that isn't even a debate simply a fact.
he is NOT the greatest player born on the planet, he has potential to become a great as i have said.
if you want me to answer a question don't disguise it and ask it directly?
for the umpteenth time apart from this perceived greatest thing you have some weird issue about why don't you like our own best player?
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posted on 6/10/12
Raonic is 21. It was also a close match. Murray has retained two Masters titles before. Andy Murray is a Grand Slam champion and has many more titles to win.
On the other hand, it's a shame that brutes with little talent such as Raonic are on the way to achieving things. There are 12 year olds in the local park with a better return. They probably have better backhands too. Hope Nishikori slams the lanky mug and demonstrates that there is more to tennis that bashing the ball as hard as possible whilst standing still. Thank God they slowed down the courts all those years ago.
posted on 6/10/12
SCOT = 1 T.
ScoTT...is Mr.Of-The-Antarctic.
posted on 6/10/12
For someone who is considered one of the greatest by many on here he certainly hasnt defended much eh?
Even with Federer and Djokovic out of the daw,he still couldnt defend Japan...
His teeth certainly look like they are from the Antarctic Hector
posted on 6/10/12
It's no wonder this forum is virtually dead with rubbish like this being posted.
Murray has more talent in his little finger than the OP will ever have.
And a Scot has only one T in the spelling dumb nuts.
posted on 7/10/12
Vee-jay, time you considered changing your diet of sour grapes.
posted on 7/10/12
Yes I must be sour grapes cause Murray cant defend anything,so what do you suggest I change my diet to,lame excuse for a bitter lemon?
@ luvtennis
Yeah Murray is more talented at tennis then I am,but Im not the one who is a pro tennis athlete,how can Murray be one of the greatest if he cant defend sh * it ?
Please do enlighten me...
posted on 7/10/12
vee-jgay andy murray is a grand slam champion and olympic gold medalist.
how's them sour grapes tasting
posted on 7/10/12
oh and in case you hadn't worked it out yet vj it's all about building up to slams now for Andy. hey bet you're glad i'm here cos you'd never have understood how the rest of the season works
posted on 7/10/12
vee-jay, are you saying that you know better than Fed, Nadal and Nole who all say Murray is a great player then?
Do you have some insight that reveals that all these great players are actually completely misguided about Murray?
Perhaps the fact that they haven't defended every title they've ever won means your assessment is worth more than theirs?
Or perhaps you just want to bash Murray and use whatever excuse you can.
posted on 7/10/12
very poor on a British forum to slate our islands greatest ever player at every turn
for shame
posted on 7/10/12
When did I ever say I know better then Fed? Please show me where I said that,otherwise dont put words in my mouth Jonty
Even if I did hypothetically imply that,its called a difference of opinion which I am entirely entitled to,just because I may have a different opinion and chose to voice it doesnt automatically mean I dismiss another opinion or think mine holds more weight,it jut means its my opinion
Of course the likes of Roger and Novak will praise Murray for finally winning a major and everything else he achieves,Murray is a great player,a world class player if you wish..no one here is disputing that
It is however the opinion of some on here that Murray is one of the greatest...that unfortunately I cannot agree with,especially when Murray fails to defend titles even when he is the top seed
If you dont like my opinion,tough luck Im not going to sugar coat the truth to make it easier for anyone to deal with
Winning titles makes you a very good player of calibre,defending those titles to stay at the top is what makes you truly great
Roger - 7 Wimbledons
Nadal -7 RG titles
Get the point?
Otherwise what separates them if Murray who has never defended anything other then 1 or 2 Masters series is placed in the same conversation as players who have achieved some of the greatest feats the game has ever seen
posted on 7/10/12
ah it's not about winning anymore, it's about definding what you won before. feck Andy should have defended this then he could relax for a while until it comes to defending another title again
jeeso what a load of mince
posted on 7/10/12
Theres a difference between slating and being critical, besides haters makes the best motivators
If you all want to elevate Murray up with the greatest players then be prepared for what comes with the territory-critcism
If you dont like or cant handle it then dont set the bar so high
Yes Murray is British,or Scottish as he puts it but lets not get carried away here,Murray was produced mostly in Spain was he not?
posted on 7/10/12
i don't care where he was produced nor does anyone else. he's scottish and british, no debate in that.
he has elevated the game on this island single handedly.
i don't recall anyone ever lauding him as one of the greats, what has been said is he has it in him to perhaps become one of the greats
why you may have an issue with that is more for your own conscience than for a debate on here
posted on 7/10/12
If its just an issue that is more for my own conscience then why do you even care?
Of course you dont care where he was produced cause that entitles British fans to take some credit for Murrays achievements just because he holds a U.K passport
Truth is if Murray stayed here in the U.K he would most likely have been just another mediocre underachieving talent who cant make it past the 1st round at Wimbledon
But if there is one thing I will do,it would be to commend him for single handily carrying the weight and burden of a nation and the sport,that must be one of the hardest things a pro athlete could ever do and I gotta say he does it with some class
As for not recalling anyone lauding him as one of the greatest..either you have a selective memory or selective reading,which one is it?
posted on 7/10/12
he has scottish/british blood coursing thru his veins. he is mightily proud of this. can you explain why you continually mock him and can't embrace him like the vast majority of us
posted on 7/10/12
Well you first have to win before you can defend...I thought that was common knowledge but I guess I was wrong
Yeah I agree...what a load of pork mince especially when some say " Nadal has never defended anything apart from his clay titles"
Now why would we use that against Nadal but not hold Murray to the same standard?
Why the double standard?
posted on 7/10/12
why the dodge the question. i haven't mentioned nadal or any other player.
why do you dislike andy murray?
posted on 7/10/12
Who ever said he cant be proud of being Scottish??
He can be as proud as he wants to be,in fact you can be proud enough of him being Scottish for both of us
The two of you can be so proud of him being Scottish that you can have a pride parade to celebrate that,even I will come to support you
Im sorry if you dont like the fact that I like to keep things real.No player is above the game for me,and no player is above being criticised,I apply the same principle to each player
posted on 7/10/12
but you do evade a question that is continually asked of you
posted on 7/10/12
How many questions have I asked you that you evaded?
I dont hate Murray,how can I hate someone I have never even met?
Im just a very critical person,and my intention was merely to prove the difference in class.People throw around the words "greatest" too easily these days,every time someone win a major suddenly they are being called the greatest
I find it insulting especially to former greats who have earned the right to be called the greatest
As for the point about Nadal,completely wasted on you....lets hope Jonty gets it
posted on 7/10/12
i haven't mentioned greatest so whatever other reason can you come up with for disliking the greatest player born on our island?
posted on 7/10/12
someone said murray is a great in the game and it riled you to a point that you post article after article slating him
unbelievably shallow and immature
posted on 7/10/12
Why should I keep answering your questions if you cant be bothered to answer anything I ask you?
You said:
"i haven't mentioned greatest so whatever "
and then you go on to say:
" the greatest player born on our island?"
Looks like you suffer from both selective memory and selective reading
posted on 7/10/12
veegay are you a politician? unbelievable selective in how you perceive a question.
Andy Murray IS the greatest player born on this island. that isn't even a debate simply a fact.
he is NOT the greatest player born on the planet, he has potential to become a great as i have said.
if you want me to answer a question don't disguise it and ask it directly?
for the umpteenth time apart from this perceived greatest thing you have some weird issue about why don't you like our own best player?
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