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Tomorrow, 10am at the Bass Recreation Ground, a demonstration/protest will be held in response to the Government snubbing Bombardier and awarding a multi million pound contract abroad, resulting in thousands of workers losing their jobs


Ahh so like ALL companies/business the goverment have went for the best work at cheapest price. How dare they.

But the government isn't a business or a corporation is it?

We're repeatedly being told that the government are committed to investing in home-grown business. They are supposed to be helping British industry. It's not about what is cheapest.

Have a think before you type something next time, abu-diabibi.

But the government isn't a business or a corporation is it?

We're repeatedly being told that the government are committed to investing in home-grown business. They are supposed to be helping British industry. It's not about what is cheapest.

Have a think before you type something next time, abu-diabibi.

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Have a think? I have. I bet you're the first person to moan that the goverment is skint. Of course it's a business and they need to save as much money as possible to keep this country afloat. see Greece. If the company abroad can do it at a cheaper price why can't the company here. I'd bet a lot of money that its because it's owners are pushing for too much profit to make the,selves money. But of course it's the goverment fault. nothing like finding an easy target and blaming them for all of lifes problems

It's not really the best work at the cheapest price, because there are lots of indirect costs that would result from awarding the bid to Siemens (i.e. suppliers of parts to Bombardier would also suffer, you would have more unemployed people claiming benefits, etc). So there is really a massive financial impact despite the actual manufacturing process costing less.

The problem is (as I'm sure we're all aware), that the Government isn't allowed to take into account all these indirect factors under the EU rules. But they should still have structured the contract in a way that would have favoured a domestic manufacturer (which is what other European countries do).

In other words, you don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about abu-diabibi.

Ok then. To simplify things. What is protesting going to do? Will it change the goverments mind? Or are these people that are unemployed wasting a day that they could be looking for new jobs?

While the Government cannot realistically reverse the decision that has been made, it could provide Bombardier with other work, and structure future contracts so that they would be likely to attain a successful bid.

So protesting can clearly have an important effect.

Why should Bombardier just be provided with work? They have competitors - They won the bid. It's not a "trophy for everyone" situation.

Don't even bother replying to this loser... You obviously don't have the the brains to realise what effect this will have on peoples lives! A protest will probably not change anything, however, it brings together unity and support and also let's the government know what a disgrace they are... This would never happen in another country! The knock on effects of this are huge. Not only to staff at Bombardier, but to suppliers! Thousands of job cuts will result in thousands of benefits, support. Not even mentioning other benefits like family tax credit, child support!

Your comment about wasting a day instead of looking for a job is the kind of comment that unfortunately sums this country up! Many of these people have worked at this company for decades and you have the brains to come on here and show lack of respect.

I suggest that you jog on back to your job behind your little computer, in the unreal world and come back when you have a valid argument or soething more constructive to say

The Government would want to avoid the financial cost of thousands being out of work, combined with the bad publicity that it would bring.

I don't understand why Governments favouring domestic suppliers is news to you, it has been going on for hundreds of years.

In no way am i a loser. I'm a realist. I understand how this will afect people's lives. and i sypothise with them. I just don't see the point in a protest. what to let the goverment know how shocking they are. Do you honestly think they care? Jobs go all the time. companies fail all the time. Don't blame the goverment. blame the people running the company. It's a cop out to think "it's all the goverments fault". its not. If the company lost this contract then they should have a business development manager to find another.

Morten - a spot on summary of what successive British governments have got wrong. It's 40 years since we joined the
EEC and I stil cant see what good it has done us.

We are constantly hoodwinked by the French and Germans who (a) wrote the rules and (b) flagrantly bend the rules to suit their purposes while we submissively stick to the rules.

The government had no choice other than to go for Siemens because thats the way the process works but we ought to be savvy enough by now to have worked out how to cheat the process or, more properly, make sure it is applied properly across the board.

The knock on costs to the UK economy (and Derby in particular) will far exceed the additioanl cost that using Bombardier would have incurred but they cant be taken into account when determining who wins the contract.

Its happened before, it will happen again.

As a nation we are just too honest!

Well he certainly has the stupidiest name on 606,like who'd call themselves DAISY?

apologies for my spelling. trying to speak while working.

Interesting that Abu, because I've read some of your posts and it appears you spend all day on the internet. I can't see how you have time to work when you spend it deliberately annoying people with abusive, pointless tactless posts on practically every teams boards.
And with such articles as "Why I hate Tottenham", you are quite clearly a little bit odd.

Abu - Where do you live. Is it local to Derby?

What do you know about this contract? What qualifies you to have an opinion on it?

AJ

Clearly spends his whole working day sat on the internet instead of being productive yet has the gall to chastise Bombardier staff for taking a day off to protest.

Doughnut.

Morning all.

I think it is a total disgrace that our Government, a Government I voted for, has done this. As per usual, though a foreign company (but from part of the Commenwealth), British jobs and livelihoods have been jeopardised.

Much like adu-diabibi, our Government has shown great levels of ineptitude and short-sightedness, which relays to ignorance.

I for one am an advocate for freedom of speech, and believe a peaceful but vociferous protest is the right thing to do, but I cannot see it changing anything as this country becomes the lap-dog of yet more foreign Presidents, Chancellors and Prime Ministers. David Cameron has already said he will not meet with anyone to discuss the issue, which makes me think there is something slightly more sinister (for want of a better word) going on; exactly what I couldn't begin to guess.

This will have repercussions on the entire British economy, and a profound effect on Derby and the surrounding areas. People who have known nothing else in terms of employment for the last 20-30 years will find it difficult to find jobs, which begs the question that others have asked: why can't the Government see that accepting Bombardier's offer for the contract would still leave them in a better position than having to pay numerous benefits to the 1400+ former carriage builders?

There is one point I'd like to make from the other side though. It is suggested that Bombardier purposely offered valuations of the contract at an inflated price so the Goverment would be put off signing with them and go ahead with Siemens. As a consequence, Bombardier could use the "loss" of the contract as a ploy to lay staff off.

To end, I wish all of those in Derby affected by this series of events the best and hope they know the whole of Derby (and probably a large proportion of Great Britian) are behind them.

As for abu-diabibi, bog-off son. Why are you commenting on an article that has no relevance to the city you live in, just to get on peoples' chebs?

Forest Fan...Supporting you in this one I know Forest fans who work there too. This is not about jobs at Bombardier but also they surrounding local economy.

Bombardier pay millions in VAT every quarter, millions in PAYE every month. The local businesses who support them with materials also do the same. The government is about to put them out of work and end up paying benefits to people who haven't got a job anymore because the company they worked for has left the country. Not only that, but they wanted the company to be a centre of excellance in the UK training people from around the world. This is just simply the wrong decission by a government who haven't an economic clue

To end, I wish all of those in Derby affected by this series of events the best and hope they know the whole of Derby (and probably a large proportion of Great Britian) are behind them.

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To end, I wish all of those in Derby affected by this series of events the best and hope they know the whole of Derby (and probably a large proportion of Great Britian) are behind them.

next time Derby supporters write about gun and knife crime they should read the paragraph above and replace the word Derby with nottingham and think of the victims and family's of those events.

You my Sir are a prat.

Gun and knife crime is ILLEGAL! Everybody has the right to be employed!

You my Sir are a prat.

Gun and knife crime is ILLEGAL! Everybody has the right to be employed!

it's just gone right over your empty head.

I don't recall anyone on here EVER saying they didn't feel sorry for the affected parties involved in gun and knife crime in Nottingham - nobody is that cold and callous. But when the city is kown as the gun-capital of Europe, there is a problem.

The whole country refers to it as "Sh*ttingham"