Fair do's Terminator .
I just think that Kenny is getting a lot of stick which isn't necessarily justified. Kenny might have wanted AC, but at a realistic price he would have been a decent addition to the squad.
The way I see it is that Kenny wanted a player and John Henry concocted a deal with Chelsea which meant that we massively overspent on that player. He subsequently claimed (in the article I posted before) that it was a great deal. I only see 2 mistakes there and neither of them was Kenny's.
Whether AC would have been a good buy at a realistic price is open to debate but that's really just a matter of opinion.
Kaiser's, doesn't matter how you twist it, we paid 35 million on a player who was worth about half that amount.
When we sell him we will realise a massive net loss and the Torres part of the transaction will be completely irrelevant to that equation.
I don't see it as a twist, it's just what happened
was he a bad buy (swap) in hindsight? yes.
but I just view the whole 35mil thing as banter driven. It was a 3 party player + cash swap deal. That is what happened and how it was negotiated.
LFC accounts will always show £35 for AC no matter how you try and sell it.
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
posted 37 seconds ago
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
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And what the fook are you bumbling on about, you drug frenzied freak?
but I just view the whole 35mil thing as banter driven. It was a 3 party player + cash swap deal. That is what happened and how it was negotiated.
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Would you want to do the same thing again? Sorry, but I thought at the time that it was a horrendous mistake and obviously nothing has changed my mind on that.
We got our fingers badly burned but it was a purely financial matter, concocted by the owners. Why does Kenny get blamed for it?
"Would you want to do the same thing again?"
of course not
In hindsight (always the easy bit) I would have taken high 30s for Torres and waited until summer to buy a foreigner.
But at the end of the day, Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners wanted the nett result of the transaction to be getting Kenny's target and having 15 mil to help pay for Suarez. And they got it.
Are we now saying that suarez would'nt have been purchased if chelsea did'nt stump up a £15m difference?
Thought he was being bought to play alongside torres before hand?
Babel also went that window for £6m.
For me the Carroll transfer turned out to be a mistake but it didn't have to. If he'd been played in a system suited to him, as well as Downing, on the left, where he can cross it, it may just have worked. Who is to blame? I'd say everybody would have to share blame. Comolli was in charge of finding players and linking them to statistics, Kenny had final say on transfers and the owners sanctioned the fee. For me this isn't a mistake on Kenny's or Comolli's part as every club in the country would have taken Carroll. The fee was much too high. However the big fault on Kenny's part was playing him in a system completely not suited to him, recognising it so bringing in Downing, then not playing them together, in a system not suited to them, occasionally playing them together but parting Downing on the right.
Regardless the owners have obviously learned from that when they didn't pay over Dempsey's worth to us in the summer.
"Are we now saying that suarez would'nt have been purchased if chelsea did'nt stump up a £15m difference?
"
who said that?
that's riduclous
Suarez was on the radar since Rafa and we were buying him regardless
Yes,but previous to this saga,ajax were shouting about how liverpool we're insulting and taking the mick thinking they could get him for something like £12m.so i'm curious to know how they all of a sudden practically doubled that after the sale of torres.
Fair question,some people on here are very touchy!!
who said that?
that's riduclous
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Ah, I see you've met Trans. Don't worry, he does that a lot, makes ridiculous statements with nothing to back it up.
*Or,to put it slightly different,after they all new the sale of torres was deffo going to happen.
"i'm curious to know how they all of a sudden practically doubled that after the sale of torres."
More nonsense.
Suarez signed before Torres was sold.
Ah,wondered when john gotti would turn up!!
It's normal to start bidding low then come up to an agreement, that's what happens in business. If you come in with the price you think it should be, they'll reject it, just because most people reject the first price in business knowing there'll be a second one.
Matter of fact eh,suarez signed whilst torres was practically out the door.
Torres-£50m
Babel £6m
=£56m
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Suarez-£23m
Carroll-35m
=£58m
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
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And what the fook are you bumbling on about, you drug frenzied freak?
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read my message again and you might get it! ill give you a clue. it's in the last sentence! there's a good boy!
I agree... Like Phil Neville.....he talks a great game..
Yet to produce I am afraid!
You call that a sentence? My 5 year old has just started school and she can construct a sentence better than yourself......
I know exactly what you're going on about. It just wasn't funny or accurate. Yes, he does talk a good game, and that's because he knows what he's talking about.
A new manager needs time to get his team to settle, and if you had one iota of football knowledge, you would be able to acknowledge that this is what's happening at Liverpool. We're playing just fine, and hopefully the results will soon follow.
I don't mind your own manager, but are you going to tell me he's still bedding his team in, because everyone's still waiting for that elusive first success....
comment by terminator1 (U1863) posted 10 minutes ago
You call that a sentence? My 5 year old has just started school and she can construct a sentence better than yourself......
I know exactly what you're going on about.
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Well why type the nosense you did saying you couldn't understand?
I find that difficult to understand!
He (Rodgers) talks a hell of a game, he is still to produce anything to back up this 'big talk'
Fell. My original question was rhetorical. Have you never said to someone 'what the hell are you going on about'? Knowing exactly what they mean, but that they're talking complete shiite. That's what I meant
As for BR, of course he's not achieved anything, he's only been there 5 bloody minutes! You may be the the sort of fan who expects instant success (you must truly be going insane as an Everton fan), but I am not, and am fairly content with the direction we're going in.
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posted on 7/11/12
Fair do's Terminator .
I just think that Kenny is getting a lot of stick which isn't necessarily justified. Kenny might have wanted AC, but at a realistic price he would have been a decent addition to the squad.
The way I see it is that Kenny wanted a player and John Henry concocted a deal with Chelsea which meant that we massively overspent on that player. He subsequently claimed (in the article I posted before) that it was a great deal. I only see 2 mistakes there and neither of them was Kenny's.
Whether AC would have been a good buy at a realistic price is open to debate but that's really just a matter of opinion.
posted on 7/11/12
Kaiser's, doesn't matter how you twist it, we paid 35 million on a player who was worth about half that amount.
When we sell him we will realise a massive net loss and the Torres part of the transaction will be completely irrelevant to that equation.
posted on 7/11/12
I don't see it as a twist, it's just what happened
was he a bad buy (swap) in hindsight? yes.
but I just view the whole 35mil thing as banter driven. It was a 3 party player + cash swap deal. That is what happened and how it was negotiated.
posted on 7/11/12
LFC accounts will always show £35 for AC no matter how you try and sell it.
posted on 7/11/12
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
posted on 7/11/12
posted 37 seconds ago
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
--------------
And what the fook are you bumbling on about, you drug frenzied freak?
posted on 7/11/12
but I just view the whole 35mil thing as banter driven. It was a 3 party player + cash swap deal. That is what happened and how it was negotiated.
----------------------------
Would you want to do the same thing again? Sorry, but I thought at the time that it was a horrendous mistake and obviously nothing has changed my mind on that.
We got our fingers badly burned but it was a purely financial matter, concocted by the owners. Why does Kenny get blamed for it?
posted on 7/11/12
"Would you want to do the same thing again?"
of course not
In hindsight (always the easy bit) I would have taken high 30s for Torres and waited until summer to buy a foreigner.
But at the end of the day, Kenny wanted Carroll and the owners wanted the nett result of the transaction to be getting Kenny's target and having 15 mil to help pay for Suarez. And they got it.
posted on 7/11/12
Are we now saying that suarez would'nt have been purchased if chelsea did'nt stump up a £15m difference?
Thought he was being bought to play alongside torres before hand?
Babel also went that window for £6m.
posted on 7/11/12
For me the Carroll transfer turned out to be a mistake but it didn't have to. If he'd been played in a system suited to him, as well as Downing, on the left, where he can cross it, it may just have worked. Who is to blame? I'd say everybody would have to share blame. Comolli was in charge of finding players and linking them to statistics, Kenny had final say on transfers and the owners sanctioned the fee. For me this isn't a mistake on Kenny's or Comolli's part as every club in the country would have taken Carroll. The fee was much too high. However the big fault on Kenny's part was playing him in a system completely not suited to him, recognising it so bringing in Downing, then not playing them together, in a system not suited to them, occasionally playing them together but parting Downing on the right.
Regardless the owners have obviously learned from that when they didn't pay over Dempsey's worth to us in the summer.
posted on 7/11/12
"Are we now saying that suarez would'nt have been purchased if chelsea did'nt stump up a £15m difference?
"
who said that?
that's riduclous
Suarez was on the radar since Rafa and we were buying him regardless
posted on 7/11/12
Yes,but previous to this saga,ajax were shouting about how liverpool we're insulting and taking the mick thinking they could get him for something like £12m.so i'm curious to know how they all of a sudden practically doubled that after the sale of torres.
Fair question,some people on here are very touchy!!
posted on 7/11/12
who said that?
that's riduclous
---------------------------------
Ah, I see you've met Trans. Don't worry, he does that a lot, makes ridiculous statements with nothing to back it up.
posted on 7/11/12
*Or,to put it slightly different,after they all new the sale of torres was deffo going to happen.
posted on 7/11/12
"i'm curious to know how they all of a sudden practically doubled that after the sale of torres."
More nonsense.
Suarez signed before Torres was sold.
posted on 7/11/12
Ah,wondered when john gotti would turn up!!
posted on 7/11/12
It's normal to start bidding low then come up to an agreement, that's what happens in business. If you come in with the price you think it should be, they'll reject it, just because most people reject the first price in business knowing there'll be a second one.
posted on 7/11/12
John Gotti
posted on 7/11/12
Matter of fact eh,suarez signed whilst torres was practically out the door.
posted on 7/11/12
Torres-£50m
Babel £6m
=£56m
------------------------------------------
Suarez-£23m
Carroll-35m
=£58m
posted on 7/11/12
i can understand exactly why bren-dumb got the job. got the talk
--------------
And what the fook are you bumbling on about, you drug frenzied freak?
=============
read my message again and you might get it! ill give you a clue. it's in the last sentence! there's a good boy!
posted on 7/11/12
I agree... Like Phil Neville.....he talks a great game..
Yet to produce I am afraid!
posted on 7/11/12
You call that a sentence? My 5 year old has just started school and she can construct a sentence better than yourself......
I know exactly what you're going on about. It just wasn't funny or accurate. Yes, he does talk a good game, and that's because he knows what he's talking about.
A new manager needs time to get his team to settle, and if you had one iota of football knowledge, you would be able to acknowledge that this is what's happening at Liverpool. We're playing just fine, and hopefully the results will soon follow.
I don't mind your own manager, but are you going to tell me he's still bedding his team in, because everyone's still waiting for that elusive first success....
posted on 7/11/12
comment by terminator1 (U1863) posted 10 minutes ago
You call that a sentence? My 5 year old has just started school and she can construct a sentence better than yourself......
I know exactly what you're going on about.
===
Well why type the nosense you did saying you couldn't understand?
I find that difficult to understand!
He (Rodgers) talks a hell of a game, he is still to produce anything to back up this 'big talk'
posted on 7/11/12
Fell. My original question was rhetorical. Have you never said to someone 'what the hell are you going on about'? Knowing exactly what they mean, but that they're talking complete shiite. That's what I meant
As for BR, of course he's not achieved anything, he's only been there 5 bloody minutes! You may be the the sort of fan who expects instant success (you must truly be going insane as an Everton fan), but I am not, and am fairly content with the direction we're going in.
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