"I don't think this article is anti-Rangers and quite frankly nor am I. "

Weirdo.

BTG

I remember your article and thought it was very well put together

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i believe it totalled over £2m split as per the TV revenue based on league positions fro the previous year

I would also agree that the article by Cosgrove is not anti- Rangers per se and that is not why I have posted. In fact it says as much negative stuff about Celtic and comments on the OF stranglehold I have just referenced above.

It's not much of a jump though for a certain mindset, plenty on here to say that armageddon was predicted by Rangers fans and Rangers friendly media.

As i said the people who actually said armageddon and civil unrest was Regan and Doncaster. the five clubs going out of business was Gilmour the St Mirren chairmen. just because that has been repeated by Rangers fans and the media does not make it a Rangers mantra.

I need to check out for 20 minutes or so, play nice

Gers fans on here are true to form though. The article doesn't actually criticise Rangers but it's close enough to it for them to circle the wagons.
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no we have offered up potential reasons that may have masked actual situation many SPL maybe facing

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Irvine - no circling of wagons - just pointing out that basing an argument of accounts to end June, before ANY of the financial implications of an SPL without Rangers had been recorded, makes the comparison fairly useless.

Curly, I do agree with you that it's far too early to make definitive statements about the current state of the game post- the Rangers crisis but I think the early signs are that it isn't going to be AS bad as some made out. There's no denying that there is going to be a big hit to a lot of the clubs and as BTG pointed out on this thread and his own thread from a while back it will hurt some clubs far more than others.

I do also agree that many of the quotes came from football people - however, where I would move away from you is that the tone of the newspapers was that we were at an apocalyptic event. There was no work done by anyone in the mainstream media to investigate the likely impact. The fact is what BTG did was more than any mainstream journalist. They reported these "facts" with almost glee as it went with the philosophy of the newspaper - just as the Guardian will be more likely to publish pro-Labour articles and the Daily Mail pro-Tory, the Scottish mainstream media reported pro-end of the world in terms of Scottish football.

It was down to people like BTG and other bloggers and posters to do the work to decypher the "truth". That in itself is a massive scandal that shouldn't be papered over.

There was no work done by anyone in the mainstream media to investigate the likely impact.
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ivan i think when the footballing authorities of this country make the statements that regan and doncaster made then ts hardly surprising the journo's took their word at face value.

whilst i agree that many bloggerrs have uncovered more than mainstream media or journalist you have to remember that a blogger answers only to himself if he is wrong in any assetions he makes. its not so easy for a journo of the DR or the Sun for example.

TRFC, you are of course right but jeezo surely if you're a journalist you have to take risks? You can't just sit there and say "aye well, they've said it so it must be true". Can you imagine if every journalist in every field just took whoever was speakings word for it? If they believed everything Cameron or Blair before him said in politics?

There should always be a place for investigative journalism and it's shocking that not one single journalist for so long - and we're talking 20 years here - did no investigative work in Scottish football.

And let me clarify that I don't just mean looking into Rangers debt situation - they didn't look into anything. They barely wiped the dust of the surface, let alone dig deep to find out what was really happening anywhere. They were simply spoonfed stories by certain individuals and they ran with those stories regardless if they were accurate or not.

As for your point about bloggers answering to themselves as opposed to journos then you're right of course, but that's where you need an editor who is willing to back their journalists - not editors who are too busy toadying up to the powerful in the game. I'm sure we all know where I'm going with this....<succulentlambsmiley>

Regan and Doncaster both peddled the idea that Scottish football would die without rangers, both the SPL and SFA tried to shoehorn rangerst into the 1st division.

So surely this should burst the bubble of some rangers fans that think the authorities did nothing to help rangers in there time of need?

The myth of Armageddon was peddled my the media because its a shocking story which will sell papers.

If an SPL club states that 5 clubs could go to the wall then what should the media do about it? Ignore it?
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Isn't that sort of the point? None of our journalists seem to do any investigating or research anymore, they just take what they are told at face value.

Hence the 'wealth of the radar' article.

So surely this should burst the bubble of some rangers fans that think the authorities did nothing to help rangers in there time of need?
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1) a fine
2) a transfer embargo
3) taking our tv revenue for SFL games
4) commitment to pay footballing debts of another (failed) company
5) withholding prize money
6) withholding transfer fees for players who did not tupe
having to accept sanctions in relation to the EBT investigation
7) allowing craig whyte to own the fcking club in the first fcking place



aye they really helped us right enough

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Regan and Doncaster both peddled the idea that Scottish football would die without rangers, both the SPL and SFA tried to shoehorn rangerst into the 1st division.

So surely this should burst the bubble of some rangers fans that think the authorities did nothing to help rangers in there time of need?

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Not when the myth, often trotted out here on ja606, is that it was Rangers, their fans and their media who trotted out the line of armageddon for Scottish fitba.

I'll ask again Chuman, Doncaster speaks for the SPL so in effect he speaks for Celtic as part of the SPL. He tried to peddle the line that Rangers were needed in the 1st division. Why did Celtic need Rangers in the first division. If Doncaster had went rogue and was saying these things without the permission or knowledge of the SPL then why did an SPL Chairman not come out and rebuke what he was saying?

I think it's telling to do a comparison with the media down south in this (although as a rule I hate comparing our game to theirs).

When Alexander Usmanov was preparing a takeover of Arsenal the English media were full of stories about him. Who he was, where he'd come from, how he'd got his money. The majority of newspapers down there did a full summary of his background - some more detailed than others of course - but they all at least had a google to see what he was about.

Up here that doesn't happen. Obviously people are going to look at the Whyte deal but who did it with Romanov at Hearts? Even when Eddie Thompson took over at United all the media said was that he was a shop owner and named the chain he had sold off. There was nothing more than that.

I think the difference there really tells its own story.

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Can I make one thing clear here - I don't think this article is anti-Rangers and quite frankly nor am I.

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It's official

Ivan is pro-Rangers. Welcome aboard

If Doncaster had went rogue and was saying these things without the permission or knowledge of the SPL then why did an SPL Chairman not come out and rebuke what he was saying?
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My understanding was that only Stephen Thompson came out and criticised the pressure that was being put on the SFL clubs to vote for Rangers in SFL1. He put out a statement on our website saying that they should be allowed to make up their own minds and that the SFA and SPL should not apply any pressure (or something to that effect).

jobby

I'm not pro-Rangers either though.

here we go again. Rangers cheated, take the consequences and stop greetin like spoiled weans.

ivan

fs that means i might actually need to start liking that cant Thompson

Cosgrove is simply stating that it has become very easy to dispel information procured in the public domain due to social media.
He's had a go at his fellow professionals, ahem.
He's on the money with this blog.