Are you talking about Oliver Holt's article today where he suggests that "their (city's) struggles so far this season have represented a worrying lack of progress."?

It's amazing that this conversation's even about United. Last night's game was between third and fourth in another group, couldn't really have less to do with United.

Last night's game was between third and fourth in another group, couldn't really have less to do with United.

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Then why is this match thread posted on United's board?

You'll have to ask the OP

The OP can see my post. I'm sure he'll answer it if he feels inclined...

He'll be on his way to Portugal

No matter Paul. The point has been made!

Funny because united fans could have not commented on a match nothing to do with them, but it's us that are obsessed, an holt does have a point about fergie an refs.

But what did Fergie have to do with last night? You'd be better off talking about why you suddenly can't defend corners etc. rather than concocting a bonkers Ferguson led conspiracy.

If we get beat off Braga tonight I'm sure you'll have something to say about it. Or will you not?

The match thread was created to help our neighbours. They are new to this level of competition and may have not known what to do

No loz was too busy watching corrie

It's just blown full time on Loz's stream

sky +

No loz was too busy watching corrie

Never watch any soap X factor strictly on Ice bllx I found the one woman who shares my opinion on that two so am not subjected to that drivel.

I found the one woman who shares my opinion on that two so am not subjected to that drivel.

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Can she teach my missus?

My Sky+ planner is full of all of the above, and now "I'm a celebrity" is about to start...

Unlucky maestro sorry I feel your pain!

I must be the luckiest dude in the world, I work with Married men who's souls are destroyed by weekend television in work on Monday morning!

Poor bstards death will be sweet release!

'thirteen years in ferguson's case' - the difference being that ferguson was hindered by the foreign player rule for almost half that period. city and mancini have had no such restrictions and unlimited transfer funds, yet couldn't even beat a side home or away who are our even reserves put out of europe last season.

Ole, were other clubs not hindered by those rules?

"Ole, were other clubs not hindered by those rules?"

Indeed, however, given United's first stab at the CL under Fergie was '94 and he won it in '99 he took a lot less to win it really didn't he? We were in the UEFA cup in '96 too.

English clubs had been banned from Europe from 85 til 90 and I think it took a while for English clubs to adjust.

Having said that I know you'd have been cheering United's cavalier rollercoaster ride to CWC glory in Rotterdam in 91 though Boris - great to see English clubs back on the map, eh?

indeed they were, boris. city however have not been hindered by any such stipulations, either this season or last.

United's first game (under Fergie) in the CL was in 1993. They went out in the 2nd round (before the group stage).

In 1994-95, they failed to qualify from the group stage.

In 1995-96, United lost to Rotor in the first round of the UEFA cup.

The 1996-97 season was the first season they really made a mark, reaching the semi-finals.

They dont like facts Ripley,they will ban you from their board for much less

Not 13 years then

Hafijur's got some new pals

if we're talking europe in general, which it would appear you are by including the uefa cup run in 95-96, then i'd say that winning the cup winners cup in 1991 (ferguson's first european campaign with the club no less) was 'really making a mark' in europe.

Ole, I am referring to the years that Post Nearly Man pointed out. I.e. since United first played in the Champions League.

No let him put a spin on it.

Nited fans are like politicians slippery dishonest and unpleasant.