Nice way to bring up the 100 post Olivier.
Concise,and coherent.
james mclean
free speech
free choice
i agree 100%
you dont have to do anything you dont want too...
i admire you stance
you can work , live, breathe anything you want...its a free world
i am totally behind you decision
respect ,my friend
blue..you are a protestant northern ireland , rangers fan.....
ou are never going to listen to somebody like james mclean and his views...
dont lie , and say you will..
mclean has my 100% backing
As a Burton Albion supporter I can only say that this player does not deserve to be plying his trade in this country. If he wants 'free speech' and 'free choice' then go and get it in Ireland. In this country we respect those who have fought and died for us - we remember those who are no longer with us because they gave their lives allowing you and to play football today.
Complete and utter disgrace, Sunderland should not have let him play, so happy they lost now.
So Burtonboy, you think Britain should not be open to freedom of speech? You sound like a Nazzi sympathiser, the very people who those who died fought against...
There is a lot of hypocrisy on here. People saying McClean should show respect for those who fought for freedom, then dlanming his choice that this freedom enables him to.
well put djeezus
his post above is the most bigtoted thing ive read in the last few days
Utter tripe. The Poppy is not religious, it is not political. It is merely a symbol to recognise all those who have perished in wars throughout the world. The only hypocrits and bigots on here are the bloody Irish who cannot see past their own bigoted sectarian views.
Respect to all those who did wear their Poppy and stopped for two minutes of their lives to recognise the sacrifice given by so many.
To the rest of you - hang your heads in shame.
No Burton. There is nothing hypocritical about saying people should have the freedom to chose whether to wear such a symbol. It is, however, hypocritical to go on about soldiers giving their lives for freedom then slating a man for using that freedom to follow his personal beliefs in a non provocotive or aggressive manner.
We are talking solely about his actions here, not tweets or comments in the past. On saturday he, as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements, he observed the silence respectfully on the pitch and at no stage did anything to incite ill feeling.
It seems we want a free state, but only when people follow the same belief!
No what he did was disrespectful and if you cannot see that you are as blind as your politics.
Not respecting the Poppy and what it stands for worldwide is a disgrace, you keep thinking that your sectarian goldfish bowl is all there is in the world - you are wrong.
God bless the poor souls who have lost their lives in the various conflicts worldwide and respect to them all, regardless of race, colour or creed.
as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements
He did that by not wearing the poppy.
Burton boy, you seem to have mistaken me for an Irishman.
I am from the Islands of Cape Verde.
Whether I agree or not with McCleans thoughts on political, religious or social issues has nothing to do with my argument.
My argument is that people living in Britain should be free to make their own choice when it comes to wearing symbols such as a poppy.
Why you, as someone who is vocal in his praise for soldiers ensuring our freedom, wants to force people into doing things they don't agree with is beyond me.
You sound as if you want to control and regulate peoples beliefs into a standard that suits your ideals.
Kind of similar to Hitlers way of thinking...
Did McClean even give a reason for not wearing the poppy?
What he did was just pointless and he should get booed everywhere he goes now.
as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements
He did that by not wearing the poppy.
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So everyone who did not wear a poppy was making a statement against the British army?
Why can't a man stand by his beliefs in this free country, in such a non aggresive, non confrontational manner?
Názis, that's what you lot are.
Calling people natzis now D'Jeezus.
How very open minded of you.You are letting your own prejudice takeover,imo.
In no way do people have to wear a poppy,but you were too fast to have a political dig at the army,and what they did in the Bogside 40 years ago.
Do you have something against the British people,or the army,because you are throwing natzi insults at people,who support troops who died fighting natzis?
While you are expressing your freedom of speech,feel free to comment on the actions of the provo's too,as you linked McClean's poppy actions,to the NI conflict.
On Bloody Sunday,it was alleged Martin McGuinness, a ra commander,was in the city on the day with a machine gun,while official i ra,opened fire on troops that day.The ra often used the civil rights movement to attack their enemies in NI,politically and through violence.
The paras killed innocent people that day,as they did on the loyalist Shankill too,but the ra have killed thousands of innocents,as have the uda and uvf.
Care to comment on Irish republican extemism,or do you prefer to waffle about British occupation in NI,as a reason for McClean's poppy snub?
I gave McCleans assumed reasons for not wearing a poppy, not my own personal thoughts behind the poppy.
What prejudice? Prejudice against people trying to force people to do something they don't want to? Fair enough, I am prejudice against that.
People are being way too over-sensitive other it. Who cares if one person didn't wear a poppy? It is his right and should not upset anyone.
I do not support McCleans views.
I support the freedom to chose to wear or not to wear a poppy.
Dangerous thing assuming what people think D'Jeezus,especially in sensitive issues,so perhaps best not to assume McClean snubbed the poppy,due to what you perceive are his political opinions.
Assuming people who disagree with your views are natzis,also contradicts your argument.
Again,no one is forcing McClean to wear a poppy,but we can comment on that action,free from being labelled natzi's by you.
You obviously care about him wearing a poppy,or not,as you have posted on the subject repeatedly.
I called the people who are saying he is a disgrace názis. They are trying to force people into doing things to suit their ideals. The same as Hitler.
I care about people being so bigoted against anything other than their own beliefs that they won't accept someones right to not do something they don't believe in.
I think McClean should have worn the poppy shirt, BUT I respect he has reasons he believes are just.
Some on this thread fail to see this... calling him a disgrace, suggesting he should be dropped by Sunderland etc.
Intolerance to others.
I too support the right not to wear a poppy,but some folk do so for political reasons,and because thay hate all things British.
People in Eire and NI have been attacked for wearing a poppy.
When I was at Uni in Belfast,republican student's campaigned against the poppy,as they saw it as a symol of Britishness.They wanted Ireland for the Irish,and wished to stamp out the Ulster British identity.
Did you ever consider McClean may have a political agenda,and thus he creates bad feeling.
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
I too support the right not to wear a poppy,but some folk do so for political reasons,and because thay hate all things British.
People in Eire and NI have been attacked for wearing a poppy.
When I was at Uni in Belfast,republican student's campaigned against the poppy,as they saw it as a symol of Britishness.They wanted Ireland for the Irish,and wished to stamp out the Ulster British identity.
Did you ever consider McClean may have a political agenda,and thus he creates bad feeling.
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
========
Yes. As long as he doesn't couple it with aggressive or provocative words or actions. No-one should be forced to wear it.
Joleon Lescott hasn't worn it since about 2008. He isn't supporting racism, he just doesn't agree with the actions of the organisation behind it with regards to a single case that didn't directly involve him. The organisation may positively assist with many cases, but Lescott has his principles and beliefs and so will probably never wear the shirt.
McClean may have had a political agenda, but the act of not wearing a poppy does not promote anti-British army views on its own. Only the over -exposure of it has even made it an issue. Should have just been ignored for the unimportant action it was in the big picture of things.
My point was,what if white players,not black players,refused to wear anti-racism tops,because they held certain racist views?If those white players held nationalist/racialist views,for example.
Yet again,I disagree with the insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,and who is saying,tie him down and oin one on McClean?
We all get the freedom to wear,or not wear one,but what is behind this choice?That is the respect and tolerance issue.
Yet again,I disagree with the insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,and who is saying,tie him down and oin one on McClean?
===========
People on this thread, by labelling him a disgrace.
How is he a disgrace if he has the freedom of choice? If someone thinks he is a disgrace for not wearing it then they obviously feel every should have to wear it.
If Luis Suarez felt the Kick It Out organisation had been unfair on him and he refused to wear it then I think that is fair, just as I thought it was fair for black players to snub it for feeling the organisation had failed them.
If Luis Suarez had refused to wear it and said anti-black statements then it would be wrong.
If Luis Suarez refused to wear it die to any racist thoughts, but he never made these thoughts public, then I also think it is fair.
James McClean is not making any anti-British army statements, and is not neccessarily doing so by not wearing the poppy. As you say, we shouldn't assume what people think.
insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,
==========
No-one is forcing McClean to wear one, but many on here suggest Sunderland should have forced him...
D'Jeezus
I think we have flogged this one to death,mate,but good chatting to you.
The British people are among the most tolerant and fair on this earth,imo,and I thank those who paid the ultimate scarifice,so that we may live as we do,in this United Kingdom.
Respecting those who gave everything,is not much to ask.
Lest We Forget.
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posted on 11/11/12
Nice way to bring up the 100 post Olivier.
Concise,and coherent.
posted on 12/11/12
james mclean
free speech
free choice
i agree 100%
you dont have to do anything you dont want too...
i admire you stance
you can work , live, breathe anything you want...its a free world
i am totally behind you decision
respect ,my friend
posted on 12/11/12
blue..you are a protestant northern ireland , rangers fan.....
ou are never going to listen to somebody like james mclean and his views...
dont lie , and say you will..
mclean has my 100% backing
posted on 12/11/12
As a Burton Albion supporter I can only say that this player does not deserve to be plying his trade in this country. If he wants 'free speech' and 'free choice' then go and get it in Ireland. In this country we respect those who have fought and died for us - we remember those who are no longer with us because they gave their lives allowing you and to play football today.
Complete and utter disgrace, Sunderland should not have let him play, so happy they lost now.
posted on 12/11/12
So Burtonboy, you think Britain should not be open to freedom of speech? You sound like a Nazzi sympathiser, the very people who those who died fought against...
There is a lot of hypocrisy on here. People saying McClean should show respect for those who fought for freedom, then dlanming his choice that this freedom enables him to.
posted on 12/11/12
well put djeezus
his post above is the most bigtoted thing ive read in the last few days
posted on 12/11/12
Utter tripe. The Poppy is not religious, it is not political. It is merely a symbol to recognise all those who have perished in wars throughout the world. The only hypocrits and bigots on here are the bloody Irish who cannot see past their own bigoted sectarian views.
Respect to all those who did wear their Poppy and stopped for two minutes of their lives to recognise the sacrifice given by so many.
To the rest of you - hang your heads in shame.
posted on 12/11/12
No Burton. There is nothing hypocritical about saying people should have the freedom to chose whether to wear such a symbol. It is, however, hypocritical to go on about soldiers giving their lives for freedom then slating a man for using that freedom to follow his personal beliefs in a non provocotive or aggressive manner.
We are talking solely about his actions here, not tweets or comments in the past. On saturday he, as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements, he observed the silence respectfully on the pitch and at no stage did anything to incite ill feeling.
It seems we want a free state, but only when people follow the same belief!
posted on 12/11/12
No what he did was disrespectful and if you cannot see that you are as blind as your politics.
Not respecting the Poppy and what it stands for worldwide is a disgrace, you keep thinking that your sectarian goldfish bowl is all there is in the world - you are wrong.
God bless the poor souls who have lost their lives in the various conflicts worldwide and respect to them all, regardless of race, colour or creed.
posted on 12/11/12
as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements
He did that by not wearing the poppy.
posted on 12/11/12
Burton boy, you seem to have mistaken me for an Irishman.
I am from the Islands of Cape Verde.
Whether I agree or not with McCleans thoughts on political, religious or social issues has nothing to do with my argument.
My argument is that people living in Britain should be free to make their own choice when it comes to wearing symbols such as a poppy.
Why you, as someone who is vocal in his praise for soldiers ensuring our freedom, wants to force people into doing things they don't agree with is beyond me.
You sound as if you want to control and regulate peoples beliefs into a standard that suits your ideals.
Kind of similar to Hitlers way of thinking...
posted on 12/11/12
Did McClean even give a reason for not wearing the poppy?
What he did was just pointless and he should get booed everywhere he goes now.
posted on 12/11/12
as far as I am aware, made no anti British army statements
He did that by not wearing the poppy.
==========
So everyone who did not wear a poppy was making a statement against the British army?
Why can't a man stand by his beliefs in this free country, in such a non aggresive, non confrontational manner?
Názis, that's what you lot are.
posted on 12/11/12
Calling people natzis now D'Jeezus.
How very open minded of you.You are letting your own prejudice takeover,imo.
In no way do people have to wear a poppy,but you were too fast to have a political dig at the army,and what they did in the Bogside 40 years ago.
Do you have something against the British people,or the army,because you are throwing natzi insults at people,who support troops who died fighting natzis?
While you are expressing your freedom of speech,feel free to comment on the actions of the provo's too,as you linked McClean's poppy actions,to the NI conflict.
On Bloody Sunday,it was alleged Martin McGuinness, a ra commander,was in the city on the day with a machine gun,while official i ra,opened fire on troops that day.The ra often used the civil rights movement to attack their enemies in NI,politically and through violence.
The paras killed innocent people that day,as they did on the loyalist Shankill too,but the ra have killed thousands of innocents,as have the uda and uvf.
Care to comment on Irish republican extemism,or do you prefer to waffle about British occupation in NI,as a reason for McClean's poppy snub?
posted on 12/11/12
I gave McCleans assumed reasons for not wearing a poppy, not my own personal thoughts behind the poppy.
What prejudice? Prejudice against people trying to force people to do something they don't want to? Fair enough, I am prejudice against that.
People are being way too over-sensitive other it. Who cares if one person didn't wear a poppy? It is his right and should not upset anyone.
posted on 12/11/12
I do not support McCleans views.
I support the freedom to chose to wear or not to wear a poppy.
posted on 12/11/12
Dangerous thing assuming what people think D'Jeezus,especially in sensitive issues,so perhaps best not to assume McClean snubbed the poppy,due to what you perceive are his political opinions.
Assuming people who disagree with your views are natzis,also contradicts your argument.
Again,no one is forcing McClean to wear a poppy,but we can comment on that action,free from being labelled natzi's by you.
You obviously care about him wearing a poppy,or not,as you have posted on the subject repeatedly.
posted on 12/11/12
I called the people who are saying he is a disgrace názis. They are trying to force people into doing things to suit their ideals. The same as Hitler.
I care about people being so bigoted against anything other than their own beliefs that they won't accept someones right to not do something they don't believe in.
I think McClean should have worn the poppy shirt, BUT I respect he has reasons he believes are just.
Some on this thread fail to see this... calling him a disgrace, suggesting he should be dropped by Sunderland etc.
Intolerance to others.
posted on 12/11/12
I too support the right not to wear a poppy,but some folk do so for political reasons,and because thay hate all things British.
People in Eire and NI have been attacked for wearing a poppy.
When I was at Uni in Belfast,republican student's campaigned against the poppy,as they saw it as a symol of Britishness.They wanted Ireland for the Irish,and wished to stamp out the Ulster British identity.
Did you ever consider McClean may have a political agenda,and thus he creates bad feeling.
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
posted on 12/11/12
I too support the right not to wear a poppy,but some folk do so for political reasons,and because thay hate all things British.
People in Eire and NI have been attacked for wearing a poppy.
When I was at Uni in Belfast,republican student's campaigned against the poppy,as they saw it as a symol of Britishness.They wanted Ireland for the Irish,and wished to stamp out the Ulster British identity.
Did you ever consider McClean may have a political agenda,and thus he creates bad feeling.
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
posted on 12/11/12
What if white players refuse to wear anti-racism tops?
Is that expression of free speech ok with you?
========
Yes. As long as he doesn't couple it with aggressive or provocative words or actions. No-one should be forced to wear it.
Joleon Lescott hasn't worn it since about 2008. He isn't supporting racism, he just doesn't agree with the actions of the organisation behind it with regards to a single case that didn't directly involve him. The organisation may positively assist with many cases, but Lescott has his principles and beliefs and so will probably never wear the shirt.
McClean may have had a political agenda, but the act of not wearing a poppy does not promote anti-British army views on its own. Only the over -exposure of it has even made it an issue. Should have just been ignored for the unimportant action it was in the big picture of things.
posted on 12/11/12
My point was,what if white players,not black players,refused to wear anti-racism tops,because they held certain racist views?If those white players held nationalist/racialist views,for example.
Yet again,I disagree with the insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,and who is saying,tie him down and oin one on McClean?
We all get the freedom to wear,or not wear one,but what is behind this choice?That is the respect and tolerance issue.
posted on 12/11/12
Yet again,I disagree with the insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,and who is saying,tie him down and oin one on McClean?
===========
People on this thread, by labelling him a disgrace.
How is he a disgrace if he has the freedom of choice? If someone thinks he is a disgrace for not wearing it then they obviously feel every should have to wear it.
If Luis Suarez felt the Kick It Out organisation had been unfair on him and he refused to wear it then I think that is fair, just as I thought it was fair for black players to snub it for feeling the organisation had failed them.
If Luis Suarez had refused to wear it and said anti-black statements then it would be wrong.
If Luis Suarez refused to wear it die to any racist thoughts, but he never made these thoughts public, then I also think it is fair.
James McClean is not making any anti-British army statements, and is not neccessarily doing so by not wearing the poppy. As you say, we shouldn't assume what people think.
posted on 12/11/12
insane idea that anyone is forced to wear a poppy,
==========
No-one is forcing McClean to wear one, but many on here suggest Sunderland should have forced him...
posted on 12/11/12
D'Jeezus
I think we have flogged this one to death,mate,but good chatting to you.
The British people are among the most tolerant and fair on this earth,imo,and I thank those who paid the ultimate scarifice,so that we may live as we do,in this United Kingdom.
Respecting those who gave everything,is not much to ask.
Lest We Forget.
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