It's nice to dream but you got to be realistic and say that for teams like WBA and stoke..... Europa is perhaps what they look towards, the teams in the epl 12th and under care about staying up and the teams in the lower league look for promotion.

The way of football

I want for my club to compete: aiming for survival is just an angst-fest and fairly unrewarding.

Unfortunately, to progress now in the financial cess pit that is English football, a period of seasons spent alternately getting spanked and then cruising is the only likely way to eventually get up and stay up, only to then have a sustained period of 'just surviving' whilst gradually filling the coffers.

The top end of the game is so utterly fkd up that it'd take a huge implosion for the sport to regain its once 'beautiful' allure.

I'm hoping for a huge implosion and for the sport to regain its once 'beautiful' allure.

As long as rich owners use clubs as play things and have no interest in balancing the books then this is how it will be.
No-one on gods green earth is worth 10 grand a week to play football never mind £100,000 a week.
10 grand a week gives an income of around £8m for 15 years playing football so the argument that they need the money because it's a short career doesn't wash.
The figures are utterly non-sensical.
Consider a player on £200,000 a week at Man City, that's £10.4m a year, as much as the entire playing staff at Derby.
The rich keep the wages inflated to reduce the competition to a few clubs who can afford to keep pace and any team without the sugardaddy has to borrow to stand still.
They'll borrow against future gate receipts, they'll hock the ground and do anything to try and compete. But for these clubs relegation means death.
No wonder some premier league chairmen are lobbying for a closed shop.
It is an utterly bonkers situation.
So Derby, consistently in the top two for championship attendance in the last 5 years are losing £8m annually with playing staff on relatively low wages.
I hope to god FFP works and clubs can't get round it by some form of sponsorship.
Of course Man Utd will still be massive but not every player in the country can play for Man Utd so many will have to play football for what we can afford to pay them.
Come the glorious day when football returns to the people

What Rameses said.

Ill be happy when I see attractive football played at PP on a regular basis. Football played with pace, power, purpose, precision, understanding and skill.

The result and where we are in the league would be almost secondary.

"No wonder some premier league chairmen are lobbying for a closed shop."
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Think that was the Bolton chairman who tried to get that going. Bet he's not too keen on the idea now.

I don't think we are meant to be happy as football fans, because just when you start to feel good about your team again, SOD gets the sack for not being McLeish and we lose all confidence in everything.

I agree 100% with rameses and, god forbid, MILF...

if we make steady progress in the next 2 years the get promoted the stay up improve for 3 years then top half and keep improving and then challenge for euro pa for 4 years and keep improving yes maybe we could but we would get out of debt and have money invested at the right times and stay with the manger and keep producing quality talent...

I would say that this argument held water 5 years ago, but Spurs, Newcastle and Man City have blown it out the water one side while Liverpool, Gunners and Chelsa have gone the other way. However, what I will say is that the cause of the problem is still the same.

I said when we were promoted last time, what was the point in entering a competition that you can't possibly win. We found a sprctacular way to lose though.

Until the FA, Sky, agents and uberwealthy owners get out of football the problem will remain.

For those of you hoping that FFP will work then I am sorry to say that it won't and you will sadly be in the same boat as clubs like Leeds.

We are being spoon fed this anti-competitive and aspiration killing rule to protect the interests of the billionaire owners who have hijacked the game.

There appears to be no desire from supporters to get rid of this proposed rule and that is either down to apathy or the misinformation that it will help all clubs. Well it won't, this rule will create a chasm as most clubs will not be able to bridge the gap between their revenue streams and those of the elite clubs and the system will favour those who already have access to self-generated money anyway.

Eh?

Spurs are still a top eight side, Newcastle spent millions and are spending millions to be in a relegation scrap and Man City are the latest epitome of all that's wrong with the game.

*who have access to the highest generated money already.

My comment responds to Al, btw

comment by "El Bosque" - The Spanish Forest (U1617)

posted 38 minutes ago

I agree 100% with [.] MILF...

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Henrik's_Forehead- Super Joe Ledley (U6171)

Already getting a vote for POTY 2013

At Championship level I think any club to go on a good run in the cup(s) and be in touching distance of the play offs would be a success.

I remember the amazing buzz when we played Man Utd in the semi final first leg a few years ago and the performance from the players.

At Premiership level it really does depend on the size of the club, a club like Stoke in my opinion have done fantastically well, punched above their weight and signed decent players on a yearly basis. (I don't mean the leach Michael Owen!)

West Brom this season have surprised a lot of neutral fans. Everton a few years ago when they finished in the top 4.

So Milf copies and pastes the only bit of MY comment that he understands and El Bosque "agrees with" him?!!



You're all tos sers.

Sorry 666, there is nothing in this thread where you stated that you wanted the premier league to implode. Maybe MILF copied and pasted from another thread that you commented on.


In any case, MILF modified my comment with a wry smile...


Maybe it is you who is a to$$er....

MILF ... Plagiarised POTY 2013

There's nothing in this thread, is there?!!

It's the comment before Milfy's, where I lament the state of the game and explain what would be needed for it to return to beautiful in my opinion.

I agree with MILF