When I've played football I've never told a team mate to f off. I know it's amateur football, but that is surprising. Things get said on a football pitch between team mates and it's water under the bridge as soon as the game is done.
Brendan should not be blaming the kids for the loss when he picked them. That team was so unbalanced without a spine. It wasn't about age, poor team selection. He didn't pick Carra as we know Carra is now ahead of Skrtel.
Robinson is a good full back, but discipline from the youngster and team morale at the end of the day will boast the teams confidence.
But TOOR there have to be consequences for all our actions whether intentional or not. That's just how it is.
Do you think he should play for the team after his performance both football wise and reaction towards Suarez. Good players can get away with such attitude but not average players like JR.
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR
I've also been in a situation where an employee feels they did nothing wrong and generally doesn't give a crap. This is where punishment is dished out. You have to treat each incident on its own mirit and do what you feel is right. Your idea that he shouldn't play for the team is ridiculous.
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so you don't think JR fits this profile after his reaction to Suarez telling him off?
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I think Jack fits the profile of knowing he did wrong and responding to being told it, in a demeaning way. Thus the manager should talk to him, tell him what's expected of him and how to treat senior players with respect and leave it at that. He didn't murder a small child.
WTF is this senior Junior rubbish.
They're part of a team. It's not employee / boss.
Suarez was being his usual feisty self and jack did the right thing telling him what he thought of his reaction.
TOOR
"In a demeaning way" but you don't even know what Suarez said to him. Work with the information you have, which is that JR told his captain to FO.
exactly kaiser, it's like one of your peers hauling you over the coals for amistake when they have no real authority over you.
would you accept that in any other workplace? would you heck they would be told to mind their own, maybe in more coulourful terms of course
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 15 seconds ago
TOOR
"In a demeaning way" but you don't even know what Suarez said to him. Work with the information you have, which is that JR told his captain to FO.
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No but I know how he said it which is why I didn't say words that Suarez said but commented on the way he said it. You even quoted it, with that I'm not sure how you misunderstood.
You can't be that naive kaiser. It's captain and JR.
exactly kaiser, it's like one of your peers hauling you over the coals for amistake when they have no real authority over you.
I've heard it all. So being captain is what exactly?
I've heard it all. So being captain is what exactly?
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i define a captain as being a leader, lead by example. do you agree that saurez berating a young player for a mistake is leading by example? as others have said this kind of leadership can hinder development and confidence for fear of making a mistake.
would gerrard have lambasted the lad for a good couple of minutes after his mistake? i very much doubt it.
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
Chelsea and Terry are irrelevant to this discussion. how has captaincy been devalued?
The reason Suarez berated him for 2 minutes is because he didn't accept his mistake and just apologize.
Chelsea and Terry are irrelevant to this discussion. how has captaincy been devalued?
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are you that stupid?
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
Stop telling me about John Terry and Chelsea.
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
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i'm not going to bother i'm sure you see where it will lead and i don't particularly want to ruin the OP's thread with it. if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
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i'm not going to bother i'm sure you see where it will lead and i don't particularly want to ruin the OP's thread with it. if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
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Hahahahahahahahaha. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't start things you can't finish.
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
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Yea, say what you want about Terry off the pitch but on it he leads by example and has been an excellent captain for Chelsea. He's probably the best captain in the league at the moment.
Hahahahahahahahaha. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't start things you can't finish.
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if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
which part of that didn't you understand brains?
But we can discuss on this thread as it's part of the topic. So please answer my question. Or have you been stumped?
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comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 10 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
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Yea, say what you want about Terry off the pitch but on it he leads by example and has been an excellent captain for Chelsea. He's probably the best captain in the league at the moment.
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Exactly.
right well don't say i didn't give fair warning and OP apologies in advance as this probably won't go down well and was never my intention to wreck your thread.
saurez first and foremost is a great footballer, a great talent with a will to win but that will to win takes him over the mark.
he has a dishonest streak in him. his admittance to diving and the fact he goes to ground all too easily in just about every game he plays is hardly captain material or leading by example not too mention the most recent incident in your FA cup tie where he handles the ball into the net again hadly captain mateial.
going back even further he refused to shake evra's hand amidst the storm that rocked english football last year. again not leading by expample as a potential captain
these are just a few incidents in the past year or so, how can saurez justify beating the young full back who is honest and was giving his all when his so-called captain is far from honest?
these of course are my opinions, yours no doubt will differ. Saurez is about as far from the ideal role model and captain as i could think of
Not shaking the hand of people who lie. Good example.
Going down easily when thugs are bullying you, I wish he did it more against Oldham.
Accidentely handling the ball is no slight on anybody, happens all the time. In fact there have been a couple of incidents this season with other players and they have barely got any airtime.
Suarez is certainly captain material, he's a winner and a fighter and will fight to the death to win. He's been Ajax's captain at 21. He's certainly captain material. Some captains lead by example, some drive the team on. Suarez leads by example whereby his will to fight goes through the team and others rise to it.
This is all irrelevant however.
Suarez shouted at Robinson for making a mistake, Robinson responded like most would. Robinson you learn to respect his senior players and Suarez should learn to give the young players a bit of a break.
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No apologies needed TRFC , your views are more than welcolme
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posted on 29/1/13
When I've played football I've never told a team mate to f off. I know it's amateur football, but that is surprising. Things get said on a football pitch between team mates and it's water under the bridge as soon as the game is done.
Brendan should not be blaming the kids for the loss when he picked them. That team was so unbalanced without a spine. It wasn't about age, poor team selection. He didn't pick Carra as we know Carra is now ahead of Skrtel.
Robinson is a good full back, but discipline from the youngster and team morale at the end of the day will boast the teams confidence.
posted on 29/1/13
But TOOR there have to be consequences for all our actions whether intentional or not. That's just how it is.
Do you think he should play for the team after his performance both football wise and reaction towards Suarez. Good players can get away with such attitude but not average players like JR.
posted on 29/1/13
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR
I've also been in a situation where an employee feels they did nothing wrong and generally doesn't give a crap. This is where punishment is dished out. You have to treat each incident on its own mirit and do what you feel is right. Your idea that he shouldn't play for the team is ridiculous.
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so you don't think JR fits this profile after his reaction to Suarez telling him off?
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I think Jack fits the profile of knowing he did wrong and responding to being told it, in a demeaning way. Thus the manager should talk to him, tell him what's expected of him and how to treat senior players with respect and leave it at that. He didn't murder a small child.
posted on 29/1/13
WTF is this senior Junior rubbish.
They're part of a team. It's not employee / boss.
Suarez was being his usual feisty self and jack did the right thing telling him what he thought of his reaction.
posted on 29/1/13
TOOR
"In a demeaning way" but you don't even know what Suarez said to him. Work with the information you have, which is that JR told his captain to FO.
posted on 29/1/13
exactly kaiser, it's like one of your peers hauling you over the coals for amistake when they have no real authority over you.
would you accept that in any other workplace? would you heck they would be told to mind their own, maybe in more coulourful terms of course
posted on 29/1/13
comment by Fasheezy (U14359)
posted 15 seconds ago
TOOR
"In a demeaning way" but you don't even know what Suarez said to him. Work with the information you have, which is that JR told his captain to FO.
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No but I know how he said it which is why I didn't say words that Suarez said but commented on the way he said it. You even quoted it, with that I'm not sure how you misunderstood.
posted on 29/1/13
You can't be that naive kaiser. It's captain and JR.
posted on 29/1/13
exactly kaiser, it's like one of your peers hauling you over the coals for amistake when they have no real authority over you.
I've heard it all. So being captain is what exactly?
posted on 29/1/13
I've heard it all. So being captain is what exactly?
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i define a captain as being a leader, lead by example. do you agree that saurez berating a young player for a mistake is leading by example? as others have said this kind of leadership can hinder development and confidence for fear of making a mistake.
would gerrard have lambasted the lad for a good couple of minutes after his mistake? i very much doubt it.
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
posted on 29/1/13
Chelsea and Terry are irrelevant to this discussion. how has captaincy been devalued?
The reason Suarez berated him for 2 minutes is because he didn't accept his mistake and just apologize.
posted on 29/1/13
Chelsea and Terry are irrelevant to this discussion. how has captaincy been devalued?
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are you that stupid?
posted on 29/1/13
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
Stop telling me about John Terry and Chelsea.
posted on 29/1/13
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
posted on 29/1/13
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
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i'm not going to bother i'm sure you see where it will lead and i don't particularly want to ruin the OP's thread with it. if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
posted on 29/1/13
Why the insults? Answer the question. How has captaincy been devalued at Liverpool FC.
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i'm not going to bother i'm sure you see where it will lead and i don't particularly want to ruin the OP's thread with it. if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
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Hahahahahahahahaha. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't start things you can't finish.
posted on 29/1/13
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
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Yea, say what you want about Terry off the pitch but on it he leads by example and has been an excellent captain for Chelsea. He's probably the best captain in the league at the moment.
posted on 29/1/13
Hahahahahahahahaha. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't start things you can't finish.
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if you want to start you own thead on it i will happily give my view
which part of that didn't you understand brains?
posted on 29/1/13
But we can discuss on this thread as it's part of the topic. So please answer my question. Or have you been stumped?
posted on 29/1/13
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posted on 29/1/13
comment by Patriarch (U11015)
posted 10 minutes ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 minutes ago
and in any case the role of the captain these days has been so devalued, you only have to look at chelsea and john terry to see this
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Terry is an excellent captain.
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Yea, say what you want about Terry off the pitch but on it he leads by example and has been an excellent captain for Chelsea. He's probably the best captain in the league at the moment.
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Exactly.
posted on 29/1/13
right well don't say i didn't give fair warning and OP apologies in advance as this probably won't go down well and was never my intention to wreck your thread.
saurez first and foremost is a great footballer, a great talent with a will to win but that will to win takes him over the mark.
he has a dishonest streak in him. his admittance to diving and the fact he goes to ground all too easily in just about every game he plays is hardly captain material or leading by example not too mention the most recent incident in your FA cup tie where he handles the ball into the net again hadly captain mateial.
going back even further he refused to shake evra's hand amidst the storm that rocked english football last year. again not leading by expample as a potential captain
these are just a few incidents in the past year or so, how can saurez justify beating the young full back who is honest and was giving his all when his so-called captain is far from honest?
these of course are my opinions, yours no doubt will differ. Saurez is about as far from the ideal role model and captain as i could think of
posted on 29/1/13
Not shaking the hand of people who lie. Good example.
Going down easily when thugs are bullying you, I wish he did it more against Oldham.
Accidentely handling the ball is no slight on anybody, happens all the time. In fact there have been a couple of incidents this season with other players and they have barely got any airtime.
Suarez is certainly captain material, he's a winner and a fighter and will fight to the death to win. He's been Ajax's captain at 21. He's certainly captain material. Some captains lead by example, some drive the team on. Suarez leads by example whereby his will to fight goes through the team and others rise to it.
This is all irrelevant however.
Suarez shouted at Robinson for making a mistake, Robinson responded like most would. Robinson you learn to respect his senior players and Suarez should learn to give the young players a bit of a break.
posted on 29/1/13
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posted on 29/1/13
No apologies needed TRFC , your views are more than welcolme
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