Ramires is not average
He would walk into the Arsenal team.
And I would have Gerrard. Close call but Gerrard is the better all round player and leader.
Gerrard at his peak was better, lampard has had the better career.
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Agree: lamps better career, buy maybe Gerry better at his peak. But to be a great you have to win the prem and euro cup
Lampard's been generally the better player over the years. He's a more intelligent player than Gerrard and IMO a better leader/motivator as well. Not that Gerrard is bad, but I think the way he carried Liverpool along with Torres for a while has led to his influence being slightly overrated. On current form he's probably the better player but Lampard always has the potential to come in and make a difference like he did last night.
Anyone who thinks Ramires is average obviously didn't watch the champions league final second leg between Chelsea and barca.
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Yes he scored a good goal. What did he do for the rest of the match along with the rest of the team? That's right. Defend. They all played out of their skins on that night. Meireles Lampard Drogba Ivanovic Cole, Mikel. Not just Ramires.
Im guessing you dont watch Ramires week in week out, as a Spurs fan? So you dont get to see Ramires's poor ball control, poor first touch, clumsy sometimes dangerous tackling and lack of composure in front of goal. He's got good stamina, il grant him that and he can bomb forward with the ball but more often than not, those runs amount to nothing because he cant control the ball properly.
I watch him whenever they're playing on the TV, so pretty regularly. I mean, obviously you've seen more of him, but if he's getting in the Brazil squad then he's gotta be doing something right.
I might be bit harsh on him but he's one incredibly frustrating footballer. Yeah he's making it into the Brazilian team but just yesterday, within a few minutes of the game starting, he recieved the ball twice and lost it due to poor control.
Mr C
One of the most objective posters on here.
I don't think getting into the Brazil midfield is much to shout about (even then it's only recently as he was left out for over a year).
Then we'll have to agree to disagree, you can call up on his ball control, yet he's not meant to be a play maker. He runs his heart out all game, gets from one box to the other, always has a belter in him.
Alot similiar to Sandro ,he can't pick a pass or dribble round 3 or 4 players, but he runs the yards and disrupts play when needed.
Sandro is a lot better defensively though. I'd much rather have Sandro. He seems more dominant in midfield, in my opinion.
I've never really seen Ramires dominate a midfield. I think he's one of the weak links in the Chelsea midfield.
They need a player that can either control the game or dominate it - he does neither.
Wow. I've really underestimated you in your Ramires hating.
You need to put this dedication in hating David Luiz.
Luiz is the least of Chelsea's problems at the moment plus he seems to have calmed down recently?
Naw, he's still pretty bad.
My boy Cahill is annoyingly making him look decent though which has made me feel wary about criticising Luiz in fear they switch it on Cahill.
Your boy Cahill?
He should be a squad player for us at best.
Need to bring in some CB's who are of the same calibre of Carvalho and Alex.
This Luiz experiment has gone wrong .
Cahill provided moments of comedy yesterday.
Luiz's software crashed when we tried to update him to the latest model.
We need a big overhaul in the team tbh. The only place that is fine is CAM and full backs.
Watch us now get another CAM in the summer
We have quite a few clowns in our squad.
With Moses being the ringleader.
Cahill was class yesterday other than one half a second of insanity.
He had a blinder.
Cahill is a good boy. I like him.
Its Luiz who I cant stand. Terrible player.
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posted on 7/2/13
Ramires is not average
He would walk into the Arsenal team.
And I would have Gerrard. Close call but Gerrard is the better all round player and leader.
posted on 7/2/13
Gerrard at his peak was better, lampard has had the better career.
posted on 7/2/13
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posted on 7/2/13
Agree: lamps better career, buy maybe Gerry better at his peak. But to be a great you have to win the prem and euro cup
posted on 7/2/13
Lampard's been generally the better player over the years. He's a more intelligent player than Gerrard and IMO a better leader/motivator as well. Not that Gerrard is bad, but I think the way he carried Liverpool along with Torres for a while has led to his influence being slightly overrated. On current form he's probably the better player but Lampard always has the potential to come in and make a difference like he did last night.
posted on 7/2/13
Anyone who thinks Ramires is average obviously didn't watch the champions league final second leg between Chelsea and barca.
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Yes he scored a good goal. What did he do for the rest of the match along with the rest of the team? That's right. Defend. They all played out of their skins on that night. Meireles Lampard Drogba Ivanovic Cole, Mikel. Not just Ramires.
Im guessing you dont watch Ramires week in week out, as a Spurs fan? So you dont get to see Ramires's poor ball control, poor first touch, clumsy sometimes dangerous tackling and lack of composure in front of goal. He's got good stamina, il grant him that and he can bomb forward with the ball but more often than not, those runs amount to nothing because he cant control the ball properly.
posted on 7/2/13
I watch him whenever they're playing on the TV, so pretty regularly. I mean, obviously you've seen more of him, but if he's getting in the Brazil squad then he's gotta be doing something right.
posted on 7/2/13
I might be bit harsh on him but he's one incredibly frustrating footballer. Yeah he's making it into the Brazilian team but just yesterday, within a few minutes of the game starting, he recieved the ball twice and lost it due to poor control.
posted on 7/2/13
Mr C
One of the most objective posters on here.
I don't think getting into the Brazil midfield is much to shout about (even then it's only recently as he was left out for over a year).
posted on 7/2/13
Then we'll have to agree to disagree, you can call up on his ball control, yet he's not meant to be a play maker. He runs his heart out all game, gets from one box to the other, always has a belter in him.
Alot similiar to Sandro ,he can't pick a pass or dribble round 3 or 4 players, but he runs the yards and disrupts play when needed.
posted on 7/2/13
Sandro is a lot better defensively though. I'd much rather have Sandro. He seems more dominant in midfield, in my opinion.
I've never really seen Ramires dominate a midfield. I think he's one of the weak links in the Chelsea midfield.
They need a player that can either control the game or dominate it - he does neither.
posted on 7/2/13
gerrad is better
posted on 7/2/13
MR C?!!
posted on 7/2/13
Yeah?
posted on 7/2/13
Wow. I've really underestimated you in your Ramires hating.
You need to put this dedication in hating David Luiz.
posted on 7/2/13
Luiz is the least of Chelsea's problems at the moment plus he seems to have calmed down recently?
posted on 7/2/13
Naw, he's still pretty bad.
My boy Cahill is annoyingly making him look decent though which has made me feel wary about criticising Luiz in fear they switch it on Cahill.
posted on 7/2/13
Your boy Cahill?
He should be a squad player for us at best.
Need to bring in some CB's who are of the same calibre of Carvalho and Alex.
This Luiz experiment has gone wrong .
posted on 7/2/13
Cahill provided moments of comedy yesterday.
posted on 7/2/13
Luiz's software crashed when we tried to update him to the latest model.
We need a big overhaul in the team tbh. The only place that is fine is CAM and full backs.
Watch us now get another CAM in the summer
posted on 7/2/13
We have quite a few clowns in our squad.
With Moses being the ringleader.
posted on 7/2/13
Cahill was class yesterday other than one half a second of insanity.
He had a blinder.
posted on 7/2/13
Cahill is a good boy. I like him.
Its Luiz who I cant stand. Terrible player.
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