The lack of wifi on my Liverpool to York train has made me miss so much of this.

Dunc why don't you stop talking rubbish ey?

Everybody knows who was to blame, that's not the issue anymore. The issue is for those accountable to be punished for their actions and for the truth about the cover up from government level down, to come out.

I could go through the entire article and respond to comments made 2 hours ago but I doubt anyone would thank me for that...

Dunc why don't you stop talking rubbish ey?

Everybody knows who was to blame, that's not the issue anymore. The issue is for those accountable to be punished for their actions and for the truth about the cover up from government level down, to come out

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im asking a question, how am i talking rubbish??

who is to blame then??

SYP??

Thatcher??

Read the report. Why are you talking about something you have no idea about? I'm sick of people doing that on here.

Thatcher played no role in the regeneration of anywhere.

All she did was destroy communities with no thought for how to build them back up again.

She was quite happy to destroy the north of England, Wales and Scotland, because the vast majority of them didn't vote Tory anyway so she wasn't losing anything.

At the same time she ensured the South of England where the majority of Tory voters live prospered like never before, making the gap between rich and poor bigger than ever.

Her message to the north, Scotland and Wales simply, 'sort yourself out, there is no society, its up to you'. Of course people in the South could sort themselves out, because they had the backing of wealthier family, the best schools and universities, so this was music to their ears.

The rest of the country was left to fend for itself in disarray.

Who is to blame?

How about both of them? You can't tell me that she had no idea about what had gone on. This is a woman who prided herself on knowing everything that went on during her time in office (the only thing I admire he for).

There is no way in hell that she did not have any part in the cover up or refusing the subsequent demands for a full inquiry. Why would she refuse it if she did not know what had gone on??

Read the report. Why are you talking about something you have no idea about? I'm sick of people doing that on here.

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you really are a class a k n o b at times

you b 1 t c h about people not having an understanding, and act like a class a t055Er when people ask.

im asking you because you seem to have all the answers and inside knowledge, even things that havent come out yet.

I simply read the report and the snippets of writings Thatcher had scribbled during meetings with the police. The secret documents will come out soon too, stating what she actually decided.

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comment by righteous1 (U7048)
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Thatcher played no role in the regeneration of anywhere.

All she did was destroy communities with no thought for how to build them back up again.

She was quite happy to destroy the north of England, Wales and Scotland, because the vast majority of them didn't vote Tory anyway so she wasn't losing anything.

At the same time she ensured the South of England where the majority of Tory voters live prospered like never before, making the gap between rich and poor bigger than ever.

Her message to the north, Scotland and Wales simply, 'sort yourself out, there is no society, its up to you'. Of course people in the South could sort themselves out, because they had the backing of wealthier family, the best schools and universities, so this was music to their ears.

The rest of the country was left to fend for itself in disarray.

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So everything bad was solely down to Thatcher as she overseen all the decimation and it was down to her alone that all the policies were passed and carried out.

Everything that was a positive was nothing to do with Thatcher and must have been done behind her back.

Do you realise how childlike and foolish you sound

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So everything bad was solely down to Thatcher as she overseen all the decimation

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This, to me, sums up the idea that she was part of the cover up. TooR may be right, maybe in the future something may come out incriminating her. But at the moment, short of solid proof, of which there is none except her support for the police findings, it seems like she is part of it purely because she was the PM.

Can we really put Thatcher alongside the likes of Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot ?
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not at all. stalin and hitler comitted murder of their own people. thatcher's record was bloodless. the thing u could say about thatcher is that she was against socialism and that's fair enough since that was her opinion. you knew what she stood for. the current prime minister puts so much spin on things im surprised he's not being sick from being too dizzy! im not thatcher fan but at least she didn't go after people who really are that vulnerable ie the disabled etc like the current crop are doing

To answer the OPs question, all criticisms of a public person, especially politicians, are valid. But to celebrate a death in the face of the grief of friends and family is not valid.

I wouldn't celebrate anyone's death, simple because it's wrong. I can't believe there's actual conversation..
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bonfire night?

I wouldn't celebrate anyone's death, simple because it's wrong. I can't believe there's actual conversation..
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bonfire night?

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just broke into a guffaw at reading that

bonfire night?

Tbh as a student of history I have never agreed that the 5th of November should be a day of celebration. However its is not a celebration of G Fawkes death it is a celebration that he failed to kill James 1st and blow up the houses of parliament, people lit bonfires shortly after the failed plot to celebrate this. In fact if anything originally bonfire night is a celebration of lives being saved and not one man's death.

bonfire night?

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just broke into a guffaw at reading that

Still I admit that comment did make me laugh.

I'll be honest I haven't read through most posts, but the worst thing about these celebrations are that most of the people I have seen doing it are 19-30 year olds, not even old enough to have been around.

'Celebrating' her death is futile. Her policies of greed, selfishness and destruction live on.

I thought she was a vile woman. A warmongering, tax-dodging, arms-trading psychopathic racist.

Guy Fawkes was just another of those 'break-some-windows-and-have-some-fun' you see the rabble do all the time...give us something for nothing, or we burn an innocent bystanders car! Can't have yer own way all the time..well I say too bad too! Ya had yer vote and lost so now abide by things or suffer the consequences...Punks! Make my day!

Look at parts of Liverpool now, look at the Dock areas & other parts where regeneration has occurred and the old dirty industries of yester-year have gone.
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What a victory for liverpool. They now have a museum and an art gallery! In Liverpools hey day it was the second most powerful city in the Empire. Today with out the water its a pale shadow of its former self. It has recently been revealed that Thatcher talked about actually shutting Liverpool down and relocate the population to new towns in Lancs.

This is the dark side of Thatchers legacy. Where people didnt vote for her, she punished them. Wales, Liverpool and the North.... Yorkshire coal fields and Scotland especially. Thatcher (with the Poll Tax) planted the seed for the potential break up of the Union which is sad. The Luftwaffe couldnt do that.

Thats why people in these places hate her and want to dance on her grave, whereas she rewarded those who were what she called 'our people'...in the South East generally who will want to wave their flags on Wednesday.

She divided and ruled... and never the twain shall meet.

What I don't understand is the particular bile attached to Thatcher. Yes she broke a lot of communities - mainly through her conviction on changing things - something that modern politicians could actually consider but this wasn't some sort of maniacal self-aggrandising act. This was someone who believed what she was doing was right for the country - and she was re-elected with a mandate to continue doing it.

The point was made above that the gap between rich and poor became greater - well not as great as it did under new labour. Which also managed not to reverse the social declines of the various communities. Did mining come back to the fore. Hardly? The worst seems to have been the lack of ability to build up the alternative development, and investment in new industries. Unfortunately this is something that can be levelled at all governments since.

She is divisive yes of course. But how about, instead of celebrating her death, those people choosing to come into London to 'celebrate' put their cash and effort involved into doing something good for their communities. Surely that would be a better usage of the cash and more of an anti-Thatcherism action than a selfish 'look at me' type of action?

Thanks everyone for the responses

Its been very interesting to read some of your views.

I guess there's only one outcome that we can all agree on and that is she divided opinion in life and will continue to do so in death