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Long Serving Managers

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posted on 8/5/13

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Your Nigel .... well done!

posted on 8/5/13

And he would be longest-serving in the top two divisions of English Football. And he's only been here about 4 and a half years.
Only Exeter, Carlisle and Oxford Utd have longer serving bosses.
Shows how fickle football is nowadays

posted on 8/5/13

Hope they give Sir Alex a gold watch to replace that dodgy one he's had all these years

posted on 8/5/13

Actually whenever his position has looked a bit dodgy he has always come with a result to save himself.

If you examine the performance of teams who change their managers frequently in most cases results deteriorate after an initial honeymoon period e.g Billy Davies at the kennel). About 3/4 of the management changes we have had at Derby never lead to any improvement and it is probably the same for every other club and the great successes like Brian Clough and Jim Smith and have been balanced by dramatic failures like Colin Murphy or Paul Jewell. As Wolves have found out, change your manager at your peril.

posted on 8/5/13

Playing a bit fast and loose with the term 'manager' there, aren't you Mostyn?

How many on that list are unable to take up any other position due to being underqualified to actually do the job that they are currently employed to do?

I see the usual crazies are here with their 'long serving, that's the only way!' rubbish.. Slating Wolves for getting rid of McCarthy and yet describing Jewell as a failure. Where would Ipswich be if they'd stuck to the 'stability' ideology? McCarthy saved them post-Jewell, so was it right to replace and bring in better, or would it be right to stick obstinately to a non-working plan?

Let me give you a clue: Clough OUT

posted on 8/5/13

So Jewell was a success at Derby then 666. I suppose so in your view of the world in that his name wasn't Clough.

posted on 8/5/13

Don't you see the folly of your argument?!!

No, Jewell was not a success at Derby, so he was canned, and rightly so. Nobody screaming 'Stability!!' as he walked away sans pay-off, because it was the right thing to do. He'd tried; he'd failed.

Clough on the other hand, comes in, achieves absolutely nothing in his 4+ years here and people start knocking one out because he's been here so long; so f'king what? There were people living in tents on Greenham Common for years, it didn't make them long-range nuclear missiles, did it? He's no more a decent manager than when he arrived, the only thing giving him any shred of credibility is the fact he's been here so long that the inference is that he MUST have been doing something right, right..? Wrong! All he's done is keep the surname that made guys like you, Moj and Peeder dampen your shorts.

posted on 8/5/13

I wouldnt say football is fickle, a lot of major companies change senior managers round every few years.

Where I work if a factory manager stays in the position for 3 years he's done well

comment by Maяcо (U1329)

posted on 8/5/13

CLOUGH IN!!!

posted on 8/5/13

You are missing a point here 666, deliberately so as you wouldn't want facts to interfere with your latest illogical harangue. Jewell was backed by the board with money in order to achieve a swift return to the premiership. In that he failed miserably. Clough's brief was to bring down the wage bill without causing us to be relegated which he has achieved.

If the mangers at Bushes factory had achieved substantially reducing the wage bill but maintaining the same output he/she would be quickly elevated to the board as a great success.

posted on 8/5/13

Clough's brief was to survive for five years, was it?

Garbage.

posted on 8/5/13

Stuff the fans and what they want. Give 'em free T shirts, mobile phones etc etc and spend nowt on the squad. Fans will be happy and we can rake in the money saved on wages and sales...

Meanwhile ..... Praise Nigel the Messiah .... all hail Nigel.

What you say 666?

posted on 8/5/13

It was to cut wages 666 and try and not get relegated on the way. The fact that he has survived shows that the board didn't have any ambitions other than this.

Whether he could have gained promotion had he been backed financially is another debate.

posted on 8/5/13

Spartacus, he'd achieved that by season 3, why is he still here?

posted on 8/5/13

Simple Mostyn, he has achieved sufficient for his employers to be satisfied with his performance.

posted on 8/5/13

And. of course, his employers are perfectly happy to do and spend nothing so, whilst the crowd continues to hail the Emperor and his fine New Clothes, why does anyone expect anything other than more of the same?

posted on 8/5/13

comment by 666: Clough Out. (U11795) posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Don't you see the folly of your argument?!!

No, Jewell was not a success at Derby, so he was canned, and rightly so. Nobody screaming 'Stability!!' as he walked away sans pay-off, because it was the right thing to do. He'd tried; he'd failed.
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He wasn't employed to bring stability. He was employed to win automatic promotion. He failed. He walked.
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Clough on the other hand, comes in, achieves absolutely nothing in his 4+ years here and people start knocking one out because he's been here so long; so f'king what?
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Totally irrelevent point as it completely overlooks what has been achieved.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------There were people living in tents on Greenham Common for years, it didn't make them long-range nuclear missiles, did it?
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Nigel doesn't live in a tent and I believe he still lives in Derby.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- He's no more a decent manager than when he arrived, the only thing giving him any shred of credibility is the fact he's been here so long that the inference is that he MUST have been doing something right, right..?
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Right. He was a decent manager when he arrived and still is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------Wrong! All he's done is keep the surname that made guys like you, Moj and Peeder dampen your shorts.
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Why would he change his name. I am sure he is very proud of it.

posted on 8/5/13

Clough has achieved nothing. We may not have gone much further backwards under his tenure but we certainly haven't moved forward any, therefore his achievement is nothing, nada, zip, zilch.

If it'd been Joe Bloggs arrive here after Jewell you'd all have been screaming for him to go years ago and you know it; that fact alone proves that you're just talking yourselves into believing the sentimental myth you've helped create for yourselves, a mental comfort-blanket to scrunch up your eyes behind and hide from the reality of the world.

That disgusts me.

posted on 8/5/13

Well, I think he's done a pretty fair job, under the circumstances.

comment by Backo (U1486)

posted on 8/5/13

Clough has done nothing?? All depends if your educated on football.

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666 you need to change your tag line to something like mine. If you want Nigel gone it won't happen under GSE. He is the first line of defence for them. They will sit and take the money, pay their pensions and have nice football holidays in England and all will be well while Nigel is here doing enough to protect them season after season.

There is only one thing GSE didn't C@ck-up since they've been here and that is hiring Nigel.

If GSE do eventually grow a pair and sack Nigel then I will meet it with mixed emotions because it will hasten their departure but the club will fall apart around the new boss.

comment by sph (U11456)

posted on 8/5/13

Iwas knows the score. If you want change, that's the place to start in your lots case.

posted on 8/5/13

Well, I think he's done a pretty fair job, under the circumstances.

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What circumstances?

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