Wassa - the defence that conceeded the goals was:
Freeman, Gjokaj, O'Connor and Hoganson. Not exactly our proper back 4 and a bit melodramatic to be getting all about it!
Peeder what about last season
Wassa - what about last season? Its not the defence itself that's wrong and needs fixing - it's how we set ourselves up away from home.
At home, only 3 teams conceeded fewer than we did. Away only 3 conceeded more!
Even I, one of the most pro-Clough supporters, am forced to admit that we need to sort out our away form. Another CB would help, for sure, because we are short in that area but its the team set up not the defence that needs most attention.
I agree with Pablo we will probably look for a season long loan for a CH and we need one desperately!
For me it's the remaining missing link for now
The team have the same set up in defence home and away Wassa. What is different is that the midfield is more effective at home so we have more possession. Why this should be so is a matter of debate but my theory which I have put on here before is that the home side usually gets the benefit of close refereeing decisions so the midfield can be a bit more physical without incurring a foul at home. Away from home our opponents have this benefit. No one has come up with a better explanation than this other than some nebulous rubbish about tactics. There are so many experts on tactics on message boards I often wonder why managers don't consult them.
Possibly true I'm not spart. I also wonder if the players are more motivated at home, in front of a large cloud etc. same as they only appear to grind out results away when mainly playing forest and Leeds
"I also wonder if the players are more motivated at home, in front of a large cloud etc."
That might help, Ramfanbaz...maybe a large cloud with legs?
I am not convinced of the motivation thing. It would work both ways surely. I am certain Forest want to beat us just as much as we want to beat them. Just that recently we seem to be rather better at beating them. Leeds have been rubbish for the past few years so beating them hasn't been that tough.The players are professionals and should be motivated for every game.
Phone, bright sunshine, spellcheck.
Croud
Baz - phone, bright sunshine, spellcheck and perhaps a pint of something cold?
I'm not convinced about the motivation thing: it's just a coincidence that Clough manages to get away victories exclusively at Leeds and Forest, nothing to do with tactics or formations, and we must just get strong refs at those grounds.
Wood/Trees
Coincidences, why not. The away wins are not exclusively at Leeds and Forest.
Typing it like Yoda might say it doesn't make it any less b01locks you know.
You have yet to come up with a better explanation between the difference in home and away form which fits for any team. For example when we played Man U a few seasons back the ref let our players get stuck in to the Man U players and they were lucky leave only 1 nil down. At Old Trafford we were pulled up for a foul for similar tackles and lost heavily.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A60450338
December 2009, an article bemoaning our lack of intent Away.
Although an interesting theory that tactics do not play a part - I believe they do.
If we lined up with a stronger attacking threat in our away matches we'd have a better chance of scoring, which of course as we all know, leads to the possibility of winning the match. (Providing we don't concede more than we score!)
I remember several years ago, Ruud Gullitt as manager of Chelsea wanted to play with two defenders and was discouraged by Steve Clarke. Now if that's not suicidal tactics, I'm not sure what is?!?!?
In a similar way if we're setting up a defensive approach for seventy plus minutes in an away game and leave twenty mins to attack, away from home against the crowd, how likely is it that you'll come away with a win?
With four/five strikers on our books, who I believe are of a championship calibre we should be playing with two up front away from home with this squad to have a stronger opportunity of winning.
That is down to tactics.
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posted on 17/7/13
Wassa - the defence that conceeded the goals was:
Freeman, Gjokaj, O'Connor and Hoganson. Not exactly our proper back 4 and a bit melodramatic to be getting all about it!
posted on 17/7/13
Peeder what about last season
posted on 17/7/13
Wassa - what about last season? Its not the defence itself that's wrong and needs fixing - it's how we set ourselves up away from home.
At home, only 3 teams conceeded fewer than we did. Away only 3 conceeded more!
Even I, one of the most pro-Clough supporters, am forced to admit that we need to sort out our away form. Another CB would help, for sure, because we are short in that area but its the team set up not the defence that needs most attention.
posted on 17/7/13
I agree with Pablo we will probably look for a season long loan for a CH and we need one desperately!
For me it's the remaining missing link for now
posted on 17/7/13
The team have the same set up in defence home and away Wassa. What is different is that the midfield is more effective at home so we have more possession. Why this should be so is a matter of debate but my theory which I have put on here before is that the home side usually gets the benefit of close refereeing decisions so the midfield can be a bit more physical without incurring a foul at home. Away from home our opponents have this benefit. No one has come up with a better explanation than this other than some nebulous rubbish about tactics. There are so many experts on tactics on message boards I often wonder why managers don't consult them.
posted on 17/7/13
Possibly true I'm not spart. I also wonder if the players are more motivated at home, in front of a large cloud etc. same as they only appear to grind out results away when mainly playing forest and Leeds
posted on 17/7/13
"I also wonder if the players are more motivated at home, in front of a large cloud etc."
That might help, Ramfanbaz...maybe a large cloud with legs?
posted on 17/7/13
I am not convinced of the motivation thing. It would work both ways surely. I am certain Forest want to beat us just as much as we want to beat them. Just that recently we seem to be rather better at beating them. Leeds have been rubbish for the past few years so beating them hasn't been that tough.The players are professionals and should be motivated for every game.
posted on 17/7/13
Phone, bright sunshine, spellcheck.
Croud
posted on 17/7/13
croWd
posted on 17/7/13
posted on 17/7/13
posted on 17/7/13
Baz - phone, bright sunshine, spellcheck and perhaps a pint of something cold?
posted on 17/7/13
I'm not convinced about the motivation thing: it's just a coincidence that Clough manages to get away victories exclusively at Leeds and Forest, nothing to do with tactics or formations, and we must just get strong refs at those grounds.
Wood/Trees
posted on 17/7/13
Coincidences, why not. The away wins are not exclusively at Leeds and Forest.
posted on 17/7/13
Typing it like Yoda might say it doesn't make it any less b01locks you know.
posted on 17/7/13
You have yet to come up with a better explanation between the difference in home and away form which fits for any team. For example when we played Man U a few seasons back the ref let our players get stuck in to the Man U players and they were lucky leave only 1 nil down. At Old Trafford we were pulled up for a foul for similar tackles and lost heavily.
posted on 17/7/13
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A60450338
December 2009, an article bemoaning our lack of intent Away.
posted on 17/7/13
Although an interesting theory that tactics do not play a part - I believe they do.
If we lined up with a stronger attacking threat in our away matches we'd have a better chance of scoring, which of course as we all know, leads to the possibility of winning the match. (Providing we don't concede more than we score!)
I remember several years ago, Ruud Gullitt as manager of Chelsea wanted to play with two defenders and was discouraged by Steve Clarke. Now if that's not suicidal tactics, I'm not sure what is?!?!?
In a similar way if we're setting up a defensive approach for seventy plus minutes in an away game and leave twenty mins to attack, away from home against the crowd, how likely is it that you'll come away with a win?
With four/five strikers on our books, who I believe are of a championship calibre we should be playing with two up front away from home with this squad to have a stronger opportunity of winning.
That is down to tactics.
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