My comment is poignant because IT IS the stumbling block Bute .
Some still want to have a final ''told you so'' with regards to Micks boys, and relish every Stale player leaving as a ''told you so'' also.

Whereas others, i would include myself in this category, don't care if it is a Stale or Mick signing, i just want them gone so we have no poison left.

Hmm - without being pedantic, you actually clarified what you were agreeing with by posting this: "Exactly Cinci, they've had how many seasons to show what their worth and now its time to pass on the responsibility to our youth, so much time and money has been invested into this category 1 adademy and its time to cash in."

So you were agreeing that people having that opinion was a "stumbling block".

Some of the old players such as Ward i dont particularly see as poison and feel could regain some of the decent form shown in past seasons with the right coaching, tactics and signings. Others such as Johnson and O'hara have burned their bridges now, and despite everything they could potentially bring to the team if they sorted their acts out, I dont think they deserve to wear the shirt again.. players like Waggy who graced the pitch and represented the club with respect are the types of players we want here. Wolves were winning things and making history long before these prima donnas arrived and the club will be here long after they've gone (hopefully winning again).

Lost me?

I am glad we are ditching all the remnants of the past Bute, thats quite clear, i will not lose a minutes sleep over any of our squad leaving except for the kids we have blooded properly this season.

The article is about allowing people to have their opinions. So how can it turn into one which says which opinions are right and which are wrong?

I'm interested to know.

I wasn't agreeing with the stumbling block comment to be honest, i barely picked that out from the other things said by Cinci although i do share his views on everything else he has said pretty much.

You don't know me too well but you should know i dont think the same way as certain others on here.. at least i dont think i do anyway

I thought the original post was excellent, and well thought out. Someone had taken time to compose it too.

thanks Bute, if you guys are going to take time to read my stuff, ill make the effort to make it worth reading.

....only Herbert could make sense of this thread !

I check back later and see if he's analysed it and put it in layman's terms for the less educated poster.

Guys it's simple, there are egos at play and relationships have grown some are good, some are bad and some are definitely ugly but they are all wolves (I think).

Good article to keep it focused as I mainly come on to read what is going on but find that 60% of the comments are just sparring blows and not of interest to me.

Herbert's Synopsis:

Some posters behave as if they are bigger than the interests of the forum community. By doing so they do damage to any chance of the community growing in maturity and number, turning off decent posters like UH and Pundit.

Yours Sincerely

UH


PS: Look forward to your return, Pundit

Why dont the posters who find other posters beneath their standards either use the filter facility provided or fick off ?

Herb

Got it !

Spot on Wolfgang.

With respect, if I filtered everyone "beneath my standards" as you call it, I'd have no one to debate with.

Even if your midway in the social structure, threads could appear disjointed if you don't see the full picture.

I prefer to be inclusive.

Good post GR and in agreement. I use this forum mostly to browse and check out what is going on. Rarely post as there is a little concern that if you agree with one guys opinion you will upset another. Should it be like that? Opinion and debate are fine and the beauty of these is that they create differing opinion, which makes interesting reading. But, and there is a big but......personal issues and vendettas get in the way of this, there are cliques on here and regardless of who says what, there is often a group that will band together and raise a personal attack whether they agree or not. Just because they can! Without getting too political, reminds me our our very own 'House of Commons', with the petty bickering and waving hankies, where no progress is made. I'll still continue to browse, laugh out loud at some of the humour and cringe at times at the depths some people sink to. As for throwing my opinion into the mix, and debating our great club, time will tell.

Come the revolution!

Great post. I prefer to comment on posts by their merit, rather than the individual behind the post. I thought your OP was excellent, and pretty much summed up how I feel.

Agreed

I bet there are many of the old guard (previous 606/12 yards), like myself, who rarely contribute on here due to the constant playground squabbling.

It's a shame really, I have met and am still in contact with some good people from 606.

Whatever happened to real banter???

A lot of it seems to be aimed at Sunshine, and to be honest, I don't think it is deserved.

With you all the way there Wooly. I must admit that I have rnever had any feelings of malice towards our friend in the Disney Paradise. He merely states an opinion, which is surely what this forum is for.

Of course he is going to protect himself if he feels he is attacked. It's natural. Cinci is another one that I believe also gets insults that are undeserved. Aries was always a Baggie fan that I had respect for, going right back to our 606 days. He was right up there with Bob, and Spiritual in my group of favourite posters. There was another younger guy that was a Baggie that I thought always tried to be fair, but his name escapes me at the moment.

Thanks Brereton

To me the most important people on any forum are the fringe posters, the ones who look in often but post occasionally, they are the ones i try to bear in mind when i see a thread degenerate into a farce and that was the basis for my complaints regarding Deja vu, he was making the site look ridiculous to outsiders.

I have been guilty of getting ''involved'' in the past but do try to keep it to the subject in general and truly enjoy the matchday threads.

The cliques that Hereford refers to are the biggest problem, as he says, many will gang together despite obviously not truly sharing a view, just based on a common enemy.

Well i hope the fringe posters amongst you post a lot lot more, the greater the mix in opinion the better the forum will become.

I agree Cinci about posts such as Deja's ( although he posted many well worth reading ) and his current reincarnation SLW.

The OP'S view of a desirable forum seems airy-fairy to me - some sort of " After you Cecil " - " No, after you Claude " genteel debating society, completely at odds with what football fans are actually like.

Heated argument and abuse is not all of football- but it's certainly a fair sized part and I don't see much wrong if the site reflects that.

May I just point out that this is not a paid for site, it is not written by paid contributors and people who just drop in therefore have no right to demand a certain standard for their money?
I don’t write on here to keep the OP entertained and his vision for what the site should be like is not my concern.
If he would like the tone and content of the site to change then the way to change it is to contribute.
If comments or threads break the rules of the site there is a button you can click on.
If you don’t like the contribution an individual poster (or several) then you can filter them.

So there are three ways you can improve the site and your experience when you visit it:
Contribute
Complain
Filter

Use those options before you lecture others on how they should be using the site would be my advice.

Instead of putting self righteous comments about cliques on here cinci why don't you and wolfieinsunshinestate reflect on why either you or him or both are involved in pretty well every squabble on this forum. Instead of referring to all the people that have these squabbles with you as a clique why not give some thought to why its always with you two. I get myself dragged into these things as much as anyone and there are quite a few others that do too. And i always regret it. But it's always with one of you two. I agree with the original post that the site would be so much better if these squabbles didn't happen. But they will certainly not stop if the main perpetrators continually spout that its always somebody else's fault and not theirs

I don't know who this DejaVu fellow is but I have been reading this site since I joined a couple of years ago before I decided to contribute, and although the guy used to dish it out - he certainly took a load of abuse back in return.

Every post he made was met with a barrage of vitriol - .....DejaPoo.........StenchyVu ...........Stench... etc.

which as cinci quite rightly points out made the site look ridiculous to outsiders and they are the ones we must try to bear in mind when we see a thread degenerate into a farce.

Obviously posters that contribute to these threads with these childish names and then go crying to the sites mods like little babies when they get a bit back, prove themselves to be completely beyond contempt and in my eyes quite pathetic individuals.

The casual observer would simply filter the whole lot of you and get on with it, surely?

No, they wouldn't. They would just ignore what is written or secretly enjoy the view and occasionally stir things up themselves.

It is a sub plot in Eastenders and of no great importance. Indeed, the main show isn't either - just an aside from things that are important.

Like REAL LIFE, for instance