Had Evra's form since 2010 continued last season I would happy replace him with Baines. However last season he really did improve and get back to some kind of acceptable level. Not quite up to his 2008 days but good enough IMO.
Doesn't usually have a god cross on him but his assist for RVP in the CC and another cross for RVP against Swansea showed that maybe that has improved.
Yes they may be a stop gap but this is a massive rebuilding process
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No it isn't
We're the current champions
His age would probably be the main reason i'd baulk at £20m, I know it would probably never happen as I've seen countless quotes about him being Chelsea daft but i'd like to see us go all out for shaw.
Fellaini and Baines are almost tailor made to get the best out of the likes of Kagawa, Nani, Rooney and RVP, players that we all agree are exciting and skillful.
For me, the bigger picture is clear as day and really, really exciting.
I also think we will get one more signing, a marquee one.
Possibly Baines, Fellaini and Bale or Ozil. The mood on the board would soon change.... Even though we don't really need another attack minded player.
We are champions yes, but should we remain stagnant? You've all stated we need two midfielders and a left wing.
Vidic and Ferdinand are knocking on, Rooney is wanting away, and Valencia are circling for Hernandez.
Fergie was superb but he did have his faults. Over reliance on age and experience being one! Square pegs in round holes and players played out of position. We are now left with Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, Zaha + Reserves that need match / season experience.
Obviously De gea and rafa are out of this argument as they would be first on my team sheet every day.
In my opinion they weren't played enough. Then there's Anderson and Young who are very injury prone...
Moyes has a job on his hands!
We are champions yes, but should we remain stagnant?
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No we shouldn't, and that isn't what Macca said.
We do not have massive rebuilding to do. All we need is Giggs and Scholes to be replaced.
We are well set pretty much everywhere else you look.
Rebuilding??????? Are you for real?
Deary me.
"Vidic and Ferdinand are knocking on, Rooney is wanting away, and Valencia are circling for Hernandez."
I think our central defence is very healthy right now. 2 of the best most experienced CBs in the world and 3 young yet already top CBs in Evans, Smalling and Jones.
Hernandez definitely isn't going anywhere soon.
Midfield is the real issue for us and has been for a while.
We don't need to rebuild. We just need a few tweaks and some team chemistry. Then we will be in a healthy position.
Generally a good article, especially the second part about Moyes himself.
One thing I'd like to add about the potential transfer of Baines is that all the fans on this board that want him are stating that we need him because Evra "is good going forward but can't defend". Why, then, do these same fans think Baines is the answer? I rate him because he's got cracking delivery but he is just as poor a defender (if not worse) as Evra. Whenever i watch him he's always out of position and Everton often get found out down his flank.
So if the reason you want a new left-back is because Evra "can't defend" then i really do have to question why you think Baines is the answer.
Evra can't attack either.
Valencia are circling for Hernandez
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hernandez doesn't strike me as the type who doesnt want to win a league title again
I'd disagree. I'd say he can attack, but just doesn't have the delivery of Baines. He's quicker and a better dribbler than Baines.
He's quite dreadful evra really isn't he? can't defend, can't attack, makes you wonder what fergie saw in him.
all the fans on this board that want him are stating that we need him because Evra "is good going forward but can't defend
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Not me, i've always said they are on a par, defensively.... Baines is just ALOT better and more fruitful attacking.
Evra is definitely dangerous in the attacking third, just not with his crossing. His ability to combine with our winger and drift inside with the ball is very effective as it often draws in opponents leaving our winger in space. He is a great dribbler and often wins us freekicks in and around the penalty area.
My only problem with Evra is his laziness is tracking back. So often you will see him make one of his dribbles into the attacking third, lose the ball and stroll back leaving out left back space completely empty. He improved last season but it was still happening now and then.
Well, Ji, if that's your reasoning then fair enough but it definitely isn't the overriding sentiment towards Evra/Baines on this board. Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
I'm not saying we need to rebuild!!! I'm say we have a lack of experience which will not be acceptable for the moronic masses!
I'd love nothing more in 3 years time to see a defence of rafa, Smalling, jones and fabio! But they need phasing in.
Midfield is the only rebuilding problem we have... Ideal we could find the new beckham Keane scholes and Giggs...
Ill admit Zaha has impressed me in preseason but he is still very raw! Anderson another... Think he's played 5 90 min games.
But you all have to agree... There was a collective moan 3 days ago when we all looked at the team sheet!
Or am I mistaken???
I don't see a fullback that cannot shoot or cross as being a good attacker. His dribbling is very good and his runs are brilliant but it's no use if he keeps up facking up shots and crosses.
Even in his prime I always rated him as a better defender than attacker. But since them he's gone backwards. He's still pretty good in one on one situations and is very good in the air but he's so lazy and doesn't track his man or track back from his forward runs. He's always ball watching as well.
He's by no means a crap defender, as many make out, but he's still a weak link and needs replacing. Baines is a great option as he's a superior player. Evra is a better dribbler, better in the air and faster but that's about all he's better at.
People are harping on about Coentrao but the only thing he has over Baines is age. Baines is comfortably a better fullback than either of them.
Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
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Funnily enough, the consensus of opinion is that Baines can't defend either.
I have no idea where this notion comes from, because to me he is a very good defender.
But you all have to agree... There was a collective moan 3 days ago when we all looked at the team sheet!
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Probably because giggsy was on it god love him.
comment by Rooney's Right Boot (U16596)
posted 54 seconds ago
I'm not saying we need to rebuild!!!
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Er, yes you did.............................
Yes they may be a stop gap but this is a massive rebuilding process.
Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
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You don't start as many games for United and France as he'd done if you can't defend.
He had a ropey season the year before but he also went through the passing away of his brother and the Suarez saga to be fair to him during that time.
Evra is not an issue. Certainly not a big enough one to warrant paying £20m like some people are saying anyway.
MIDFIELD is the biggest concern. EASILY. We don't just need one midfielder, we need at least two in my opinion.
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posted on 19/8/13
Had Evra's form since 2010 continued last season I would happy replace him with Baines. However last season he really did improve and get back to some kind of acceptable level. Not quite up to his 2008 days but good enough IMO.
Doesn't usually have a god cross on him but his assist for RVP in the CC and another cross for RVP against Swansea showed that maybe that has improved.
posted on 19/8/13
Yes they may be a stop gap but this is a massive rebuilding process
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No it isn't
We're the current champions
posted on 19/8/13
His age would probably be the main reason i'd baulk at £20m, I know it would probably never happen as I've seen countless quotes about him being Chelsea daft but i'd like to see us go all out for shaw.
posted on 19/8/13
Good article.
posted on 19/8/13
Fellaini and Baines are almost tailor made to get the best out of the likes of Kagawa, Nani, Rooney and RVP, players that we all agree are exciting and skillful.
For me, the bigger picture is clear as day and really, really exciting.
I also think we will get one more signing, a marquee one.
Possibly Baines, Fellaini and Bale or Ozil. The mood on the board would soon change.... Even though we don't really need another attack minded player.
posted on 19/8/13
We are champions yes, but should we remain stagnant? You've all stated we need two midfielders and a left wing.
Vidic and Ferdinand are knocking on, Rooney is wanting away, and Valencia are circling for Hernandez.
Fergie was superb but he did have his faults. Over reliance on age and experience being one! Square pegs in round holes and players played out of position. We are now left with Jones, Smalling, Cleverly, Zaha + Reserves that need match / season experience.
Obviously De gea and rafa are out of this argument as they would be first on my team sheet every day.
In my opinion they weren't played enough. Then there's Anderson and Young who are very injury prone...
Moyes has a job on his hands!
posted on 19/8/13
We are champions yes, but should we remain stagnant?
.................
No we shouldn't, and that isn't what Macca said.
We do not have massive rebuilding to do. All we need is Giggs and Scholes to be replaced.
We are well set pretty much everywhere else you look.
posted on 19/8/13
Rebuilding??????? Are you for real?
Deary me.
posted on 19/8/13
"Vidic and Ferdinand are knocking on, Rooney is wanting away, and Valencia are circling for Hernandez."
I think our central defence is very healthy right now. 2 of the best most experienced CBs in the world and 3 young yet already top CBs in Evans, Smalling and Jones.
Hernandez definitely isn't going anywhere soon.
Midfield is the real issue for us and has been for a while.
posted on 19/8/13
We don't need to rebuild. We just need a few tweaks and some team chemistry. Then we will be in a healthy position.
posted on 19/8/13
Generally a good article, especially the second part about Moyes himself.
One thing I'd like to add about the potential transfer of Baines is that all the fans on this board that want him are stating that we need him because Evra "is good going forward but can't defend". Why, then, do these same fans think Baines is the answer? I rate him because he's got cracking delivery but he is just as poor a defender (if not worse) as Evra. Whenever i watch him he's always out of position and Everton often get found out down his flank.
So if the reason you want a new left-back is because Evra "can't defend" then i really do have to question why you think Baines is the answer.
posted on 19/8/13
Evra can't attack either.
posted on 19/8/13
Valencia are circling for Hernandez
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hernandez doesn't strike me as the type who doesnt want to win a league title again
posted on 19/8/13
I'd disagree. I'd say he can attack, but just doesn't have the delivery of Baines. He's quicker and a better dribbler than Baines.
posted on 19/8/13
He's quite dreadful evra really isn't he? can't defend, can't attack, makes you wonder what fergie saw in him.
posted on 19/8/13
all the fans on this board that want him are stating that we need him because Evra "is good going forward but can't defend
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Not me, i've always said they are on a par, defensively.... Baines is just ALOT better and more fruitful attacking.
posted on 19/8/13
Evra is definitely dangerous in the attacking third, just not with his crossing. His ability to combine with our winger and drift inside with the ball is very effective as it often draws in opponents leaving our winger in space. He is a great dribbler and often wins us freekicks in and around the penalty area.
My only problem with Evra is his laziness is tracking back. So often you will see him make one of his dribbles into the attacking third, lose the ball and stroll back leaving out left back space completely empty. He improved last season but it was still happening now and then.
posted on 19/8/13
Well, Ji, if that's your reasoning then fair enough but it definitely isn't the overriding sentiment towards Evra/Baines on this board. Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
posted on 19/8/13
I'm not saying we need to rebuild!!! I'm say we have a lack of experience which will not be acceptable for the moronic masses!
I'd love nothing more in 3 years time to see a defence of rafa, Smalling, jones and fabio! But they need phasing in.
Midfield is the only rebuilding problem we have... Ideal we could find the new beckham Keane scholes and Giggs...
Ill admit Zaha has impressed me in preseason but he is still very raw! Anderson another... Think he's played 5 90 min games.
But you all have to agree... There was a collective moan 3 days ago when we all looked at the team sheet!
Or am I mistaken???
posted on 19/8/13
I don't see a fullback that cannot shoot or cross as being a good attacker. His dribbling is very good and his runs are brilliant but it's no use if he keeps up facking up shots and crosses.
Even in his prime I always rated him as a better defender than attacker. But since them he's gone backwards. He's still pretty good in one on one situations and is very good in the air but he's so lazy and doesn't track his man or track back from his forward runs. He's always ball watching as well.
He's by no means a crap defender, as many make out, but he's still a weak link and needs replacing. Baines is a great option as he's a superior player. Evra is a better dribbler, better in the air and faster but that's about all he's better at.
People are harping on about Coentrao but the only thing he has over Baines is age. Baines is comfortably a better fullback than either of them.
posted on 19/8/13
Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
..............................
Funnily enough, the consensus of opinion is that Baines can't defend either.
I have no idea where this notion comes from, because to me he is a very good defender.
posted on 19/8/13
But you all have to agree... There was a collective moan 3 days ago when we all looked at the team sheet!
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Probably because giggsy was on it god love him.
posted on 19/8/13
comment by Rooney's Right Boot (U16596)
posted 54 seconds ago
I'm not saying we need to rebuild!!!
....................
Er, yes you did.............................
Yes they may be a stop gap but this is a massive rebuilding process.
posted on 19/8/13
Most seem to think Evra can't defend and that Baines is the answer.
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You don't start as many games for United and France as he'd done if you can't defend.
He had a ropey season the year before but he also went through the passing away of his brother and the Suarez saga to be fair to him during that time.
Evra is not an issue. Certainly not a big enough one to warrant paying £20m like some people are saying anyway.
MIDFIELD is the biggest concern. EASILY. We don't just need one midfielder, we need at least two in my opinion.
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