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At a time when our club is being dragged through the mud and everyone including McCoist says it needs cleansing, we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes.
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getting a we bit sick of this self righteous pash tbh
souness- same souness who didnt get shot of mccoist and durrant despite being given a police cuation for fighting in 86
smith - who stood by gazza and his wife beating antics, stood by mcgregor and his off field allegations,
stop putting these guys on a pedestal when they have forgiven players for worse crimes
I would add to that though that I also understand and coop and zachs opinions as well
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and there is obviously differing ones here
Will never be resolved
"we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes."
Walter signed El Hadji Diouf
Nuff said
"we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes."
There does seem to be this view that all Rangers managers of the past were whiter than white and wouldn't stand for any nonsence.
I just dont buy into that.
I've actually heard people like Gordon Dalziel and Derek Johnstone say they know players in their day used to bet against themselves in big games, so that if they lost, although they lost their official match bonus, a nice wee bonus would be waiting for them at the bookies.
Obviously these guys denied they did it but I imagine it was and still is rife in the game.
boom
its apparanlt y still rife in lower leagues when deid rubber games are played
And that makes it all OK !
"And that makes it all OK !"
Doesnt make it ok
Point is, if you sack one player for it, the can of worms open, and you mght have to sack the entire fcking team, might be players from all teams getting hunted, and Scottish Football tunrs into a proper farce.
If Black knows he is not the only one at Ibrox thats stuck a coupon on...whats to stop him going public with his knowledge and turning this inot a monumental headache for the club and beyond
Do you want that coop??
Do you??
Honestly??
Coz sacking Black would be unfair dismissal if other players, coaches, managers or anyone else at the club was doing it and getting away with it
Bigger picture FFS
Blacks very words
"There's a lot of players out there still doing it. I could sit and name players but I'm not going to do it."
aye, sack the cant and let him reign havoc on the game, great idea
"reign havoc"
wreak havoc even
.......and Admin wonders why there are not more Rangers supporters commenting on these boards
He DOES have lovely hair....now lets move on...
Do you want that coop??
Do you??
Honestly??
No
No
Yes
Look, I know there are loads of player who bet on football .But Black bet against the team he's playing for...that to me is totally unacceptable. It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong.
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It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong.
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gies peace
did you want gazza hunted? what about when sir dignity signed el hadj diouf?
honestly, stop this whiter than white pi$h
Morals in football!
Naw, in any walk of life!
Follow the money....
Curly...You think it might be a wig??????
I've bet against Rangers and Scotland countless times..
The pain of defeat can be eased with a wee wedge from the bookies, and likewise, if your team wins, you can live with losing the odd £5, £10 quid...
If Black had been guilty of changing the outcome of a game to adversely affect Rangers, to win him a few quid, I would be booting his erse out of the door myself.
But all he's guilty of is sticking on a coupon ffs
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
"It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong."
So do I
but I dont think its worth upsetting the entire apple cart in order to take the moral high ground, not when its being tolerated elsewhere on such a large scale.
My opinion is, its the SFA's rules that have been broken here, not the clubs.
The SFA's rules, as per, are bollox and poorly written.
Until the SFA sort their rulebook out, this gambling lark is the SFA's problem, not a Rangers problem....and the SFA have dealt with it the way they have seen fit.
If the SFA do change the rules and get new, decent guidelines in place instead of this blanket ban that encompasses amatuers and all sorts FFS and is being made a complete mockery of by players betting i numbers all over the place, then any player that steps out of line after that rule change, they can be made an exmaple of, they can get the bok thrown at them.
Doesnt need to be done here with Black.......worse for the club if it does happen imo
I dont like the guy betting against us, I dont....adn my reasoning is sod all to do with how good he is playing right now, he could be $hite next week, wouldnt be surprised....but as I said earlier...bigger picture
Curly...You think it might be a wig???
Surely he would pick a better wan than that
The midfielder was banned for 10 games by the Scottish Football Association for contravening the rules on football betting, which included one wager that Rangers would draw with East Stirlingshire last season, as part of an accumulator. Black admitted yesterday that he was "fortunate" not to be sacked but also that other players have breached the same rules.
In an interview on the Rangers website, Black acknowledged that the £5 accumulator bet last season almost cost him his career at Ibrox. He thanked the manager, Ally McCoist, and board for standing by him, and admitted that he deserved the SFA punishment, which involved an immediate three-game ban, with the other seven matches suspended until the end of the season.
Black could not, however, offer a convincing explanation for his decision to bet against his own team, one of three occasions he did this during the past seven years. The SFA had evidence of Black gambling on 160 matches in total during that time, but it is the ones against his own teams - Black has also played for Hearts and Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the seven years in question - that are the most damning.
"Looking back, I wasn't thinking at all," he said. "A small bet, £5, there was no thought in it. It was a silly bet and I'm paying for it now. But I scored the goal to beat that bet [he put Rangers 3-2 in front]. People are saying they can't trust me, but people who know me and the supporters who watch every week know that I give 100% every game, even in training.
"I broke the rule and I deserved the punishment. There was no thought; I shouldn't have done it. There are a lot of players out there still doing it, I could name them, but I'm not going to do that. It would be harsh to see anybody else coming down with . . . the amount of investigation that the SFA went through, revealing to me every bet I've made since I opened the account six or eight years ago.
"I've got a second chance for a silly bet that I put on. It's up to me to repay them as well as the supporters."
Black has apologised already to his teammates as well as the Ibrox coaching staff, while the Rangers fans were immediately supportive when the player was charged with breaching the rules. As well as affecting his professional career, Black's indiscretion also had consequences for his private life, given the scrutiny that followed the charges being revealed.
"It's affected me off the pitch, [with] people judging me, and I'm going to have to be big enough and come out stronger," he said. "It got to the point where I had reporters knocking at the door while my daughter was in the house. She's at school and kids nowadays can't always be too nice. I put my hands up, I'm serving my punishment for it."
And there is more. That spring was marked with two significant moments for Brown, who had cost the club £4.4m in 2007. First, he was given the captaincy by Tony Mowbray, much against the advice of Grant. "I?¯said: 'What? He shouldn't even be playing in the team'.That's what I?¯felt at the time. I?¯didn't feel he should be a regular because he wasn't playing well enough," said the former midfielder.
"I?¯think Peter Lawwell [Celtic chief executive] was wanting Robbie Keane to be the captain and, when Tony said that to me, I?¯said: 'You can't give loan players the captaincy at Celtic Football Club. Gie's a break'. When he said Scott Brown, I?¯said: 'Not for me, gaffer. He shouldn't even be playing'. I've been delighted that he's turned it around. This season and the end of last season, I'm so pleased to see how he's played in that position."
Pete the interfering bastrird
what about when sir dignity signed el hadj diouf?
if you think the signing of a player is the same as betting against your own team.....there's no point in even discussing it...and...seek help about your obsesion wi Gazza..
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comment by meuandcoop (U5293)
posted 8 minutes ago
At a time when our club is being dragged through the mud and everyone including McCoist says it needs cleansing, we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes.
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getting a we bit sick of this self righteous pash tbh
souness- same souness who didnt get shot of mccoist and durrant despite being given a police cuation for fighting in 86
smith - who stood by gazza and his wife beating antics, stood by mcgregor and his off field allegations,
stop putting these guys on a pedestal when they have forgiven players for worse crimes
posted on 17/9/13
I would add to that though that I also understand and coop and zachs opinions as well
posted on 17/9/13
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and there is obviously differing ones here
Will never be resolved
posted on 17/9/13
"we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes."
Walter signed El Hadji Diouf
Nuff said
posted on 17/9/13
great point stevie
posted on 17/9/13
"we had the chance to put down a moral marker and deal with Black as Symon,Struth,Wallace Souness and Smith would have. We haven't and it speaks volumes."
There does seem to be this view that all Rangers managers of the past were whiter than white and wouldn't stand for any nonsence.
I just dont buy into that.
I've actually heard people like Gordon Dalziel and Derek Johnstone say they know players in their day used to bet against themselves in big games, so that if they lost, although they lost their official match bonus, a nice wee bonus would be waiting for them at the bookies.
Obviously these guys denied they did it but I imagine it was and still is rife in the game.
posted on 17/9/13
Diouff \0/
posted on 17/9/13
boom
its apparanlt y still rife in lower leagues when deid rubber games are played
posted on 17/9/13
And that makes it all OK !
posted on 17/9/13
makes what ok?
posted on 17/9/13
"And that makes it all OK !"
Doesnt make it ok
Point is, if you sack one player for it, the can of worms open, and you mght have to sack the entire fcking team, might be players from all teams getting hunted, and Scottish Football tunrs into a proper farce.
If Black knows he is not the only one at Ibrox thats stuck a coupon on...whats to stop him going public with his knowledge and turning this inot a monumental headache for the club and beyond
Do you want that coop??
Do you??
Honestly??
Coz sacking Black would be unfair dismissal if other players, coaches, managers or anyone else at the club was doing it and getting away with it
Bigger picture FFS
posted on 17/9/13
Blacks very words
"There's a lot of players out there still doing it. I could sit and name players but I'm not going to do it."
aye, sack the cant and let him reign havoc on the game, great idea
posted on 17/9/13
"reign havoc"
wreak havoc even
posted on 17/9/13
.......and Admin wonders why there are not more Rangers supporters commenting on these boards
He DOES have lovely hair....now lets move on...
posted on 17/9/13
Do you want that coop??
Do you??
Honestly??
No
No
Yes
Look, I know there are loads of player who bet on football .But Black bet against the team he's playing for...that to me is totally unacceptable. It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong.
posted on 17/9/13
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posted on 17/9/13
It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong.
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gies peace
did you want gazza hunted? what about when sir dignity signed el hadj diouf?
honestly, stop this whiter than white pi$h
posted on 17/9/13
Morals in football!
Naw, in any walk of life!
Follow the money....
Curly...You think it might be a wig??????
posted on 17/9/13
I've bet against Rangers and Scotland countless times..
The pain of defeat can be eased with a wee wedge from the bookies, and likewise, if your team wins, you can live with losing the odd £5, £10 quid...
If Black had been guilty of changing the outcome of a game to adversely affect Rangers, to win him a few quid, I would be booting his erse out of the door myself.
But all he's guilty of is sticking on a coupon ffs
Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill...
posted on 17/9/13
"It's all about morals and levels thereof. I think it's wrong."
So do I
but I dont think its worth upsetting the entire apple cart in order to take the moral high ground, not when its being tolerated elsewhere on such a large scale.
My opinion is, its the SFA's rules that have been broken here, not the clubs.
The SFA's rules, as per, are bollox and poorly written.
Until the SFA sort their rulebook out, this gambling lark is the SFA's problem, not a Rangers problem....and the SFA have dealt with it the way they have seen fit.
If the SFA do change the rules and get new, decent guidelines in place instead of this blanket ban that encompasses amatuers and all sorts FFS and is being made a complete mockery of by players betting i numbers all over the place, then any player that steps out of line after that rule change, they can be made an exmaple of, they can get the bok thrown at them.
Doesnt need to be done here with Black.......worse for the club if it does happen imo
I dont like the guy betting against us, I dont....adn my reasoning is sod all to do with how good he is playing right now, he could be $hite next week, wouldnt be surprised....but as I said earlier...bigger picture
posted on 17/9/13
Curly...You think it might be a wig???
Surely he would pick a better wan than that
posted on 17/9/13
The midfielder was banned for 10 games by the Scottish Football Association for contravening the rules on football betting, which included one wager that Rangers would draw with East Stirlingshire last season, as part of an accumulator. Black admitted yesterday that he was "fortunate" not to be sacked but also that other players have breached the same rules.
In an interview on the Rangers website, Black acknowledged that the £5 accumulator bet last season almost cost him his career at Ibrox. He thanked the manager, Ally McCoist, and board for standing by him, and admitted that he deserved the SFA punishment, which involved an immediate three-game ban, with the other seven matches suspended until the end of the season.
Black could not, however, offer a convincing explanation for his decision to bet against his own team, one of three occasions he did this during the past seven years. The SFA had evidence of Black gambling on 160 matches in total during that time, but it is the ones against his own teams - Black has also played for Hearts and Inverness Caledonian Thistle in the seven years in question - that are the most damning.
"Looking back, I wasn't thinking at all," he said. "A small bet, £5, there was no thought in it. It was a silly bet and I'm paying for it now. But I scored the goal to beat that bet [he put Rangers 3-2 in front]. People are saying they can't trust me, but people who know me and the supporters who watch every week know that I give 100% every game, even in training.
"I broke the rule and I deserved the punishment. There was no thought; I shouldn't have done it. There are a lot of players out there still doing it, I could name them, but I'm not going to do that. It would be harsh to see anybody else coming down with . . . the amount of investigation that the SFA went through, revealing to me every bet I've made since I opened the account six or eight years ago.
"I've got a second chance for a silly bet that I put on. It's up to me to repay them as well as the supporters."
Black has apologised already to his teammates as well as the Ibrox coaching staff, while the Rangers fans were immediately supportive when the player was charged with breaching the rules. As well as affecting his professional career, Black's indiscretion also had consequences for his private life, given the scrutiny that followed the charges being revealed.
"It's affected me off the pitch, [with] people judging me, and I'm going to have to be big enough and come out stronger," he said. "It got to the point where I had reporters knocking at the door while my daughter was in the house. She's at school and kids nowadays can't always be too nice. I put my hands up, I'm serving my punishment for it."
posted on 17/9/13
And there is more. That spring was marked with two significant moments for Brown, who had cost the club £4.4m in 2007. First, he was given the captaincy by Tony Mowbray, much against the advice of Grant. "I?¯said: 'What? He shouldn't even be playing in the team'.That's what I?¯felt at the time. I?¯didn't feel he should be a regular because he wasn't playing well enough," said the former midfielder.
"I?¯think Peter Lawwell [Celtic chief executive] was wanting Robbie Keane to be the captain and, when Tony said that to me, I?¯said: 'You can't give loan players the captaincy at Celtic Football Club. Gie's a break'. When he said Scott Brown, I?¯said: 'Not for me, gaffer. He shouldn't even be playing'. I've been delighted that he's turned it around. This season and the end of last season, I'm so pleased to see how he's played in that position."
Pete the interfering bastrird
posted on 17/9/13
what about when sir dignity signed el hadj diouf?
if you think the signing of a player is the same as betting against your own team.....there's no point in even discussing it...and...seek help about your obsesion wi Gazza..
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