Dj I wasn't defending solbakken at all I was just stating the facts, it was obvious he had to go as it was obvious muppet had to go.

Hold on Perton, are you saying you wanted Solbakken sacked

But that doesn't fit with all the comments suggesting you, me and wolfie share the same opinions?!?!

Damn it, im gonna have to lose a lot of respect for those that continue to make those smart comments without having the balls to explain them

Cinci I would have liked him to be given time to clear out the dross, in the end they have been shown the door. They go on about the dross playing at a higher level but say nothing about solbakken managing in the champions league. It speaks volumes to me.

But the fact it's just you, WITSS, and Perton does tell its own story, surely, Cinci?

The ''dross''(not a word i have ever used to describe them) are playing at the level we thought they belonged.
Its no praise for them saying they are there now so nah nah nah nah.
In fact it proves that those who criticised them were actually correct, they are champo players.

''Just us'' what bute?

For once can you please explain yourself rather than just make a smart, sarcastic comment and scamper off again? You are better than that i hope

predictable silence.

Never worry about me disagreeing with everything you say cinci. Your analysis of player performances in the matches you haven't seen are something I look forward to every week

What about the ones in the matches i have seen DJ

Magical Stale takes his side to midtable, 4 points off second

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Incredible how this subject sets it all off! Love it.

Just a thought, could be that the players who looked jaded and uninspired under Mick, needed a change of environment. and in Vokes case needed games and experience to make him the player he is now.

Doesnt make MM a bad manager, or reflect badly on the players necessarily. But hey thats sitting on the fence, get on with the debate guys.

doing a good job is stale, in a league that suits his style.

after 5 months at wolves he looked very much a continental coach struggling to get to grips with english football. equally, he did not cope well in the top german league where a higher level of ability is required. i'd say that was similar to mick, who always looks like an excellent british manager in the second division, but a poor 'coach' in terms of how the premier league or a lot of european football works.

deano and TC, on the other hand, look like poor coaches and even worse managers in any league.

the comment of mine that cinci put on here earlier was not about saying who was better or worse, or trying to insult any of our previous players or managers. it is simply an observation that generally in football, over a reasonable length of career players and managers will end up for the majority of time in the league that best suits their ability. this is particularly tru today where money is so much more important than loyalty or locality. any div 2 club with a bit of money to spend would do well to appoint mick if they want promotion. but i don't believe any prem club will ever bring him in to replace a sacked manager. equally, it is no coincidence that most of our squad of the last 6 years are doing ok jobs in div 2. that is their natural level and the lack of interest in them from established prem sides is because they have done nothing to suggest they would make regular first team appearances in the top flight for a successful side.

it is great to see vokes doing well right now, an ex wolf who never did anything wrong and always tried his hardest. i doubt he'll be headhunted by a prem side in january though and if burnley go up (which i don't think they will) i don't expect they will start him too often, and they will look to strengthen their forward line if they have the funds to do so.

Just a thought, could be that the players who looked jaded and uninspired under Mick

Not sure that I agree with you, Oldgold. Most of these players would run through a brick wall for Mick.
They looked jaded and uninspired under TC, Stale and Saunders, none of which were able to get the best out of them.

Since moving on to clubs in the Prem and Champo, they are mostly performing well again.

A change of scenery and a change of management seems to have rejuvenated a lot of them.

Thanks OldieGoldieLoxie.

Would we be down here, just above the Conference-but one, if Mick hadn't been sacked? We'll never know.

Without being defeatist, I suspect we may have gone down to the second division anyway, but we'd have been lucky enough to already have a proven International manager/expert at getting clubs winning that particular division, already in place to stimulate the resurrection.

cyp,

don't you remember watching these players in our third prem season when we went behind in most matches within the first ten minutes and looked like there was more chance of a punch up between our own players than any fight as a side?

mick's greatest ability was getting more out of XI players than the sum of the parts. but that trick only worked for so long and it was clear that as soon as the perfect balance of hardwork and team spirit was destroyed by the introduction of RJ and possibly JOH, that wolves were sunk. mick's frustrations boiled over with the fans and with his own players and towards the end we were as bad a side as i've seen in the premier league.

compare the whimper with which we lost to liverpool and albion with the results against those sides the previous season. that wasn't running through a brick wall, but hitting one.

i agree that a change in scenery has helped a lot of our ex players. back to the championship, away from the toxic defeatism at wolves and playing with new players and different coaches. sadly, we didn't rotate enough of the squad when we could have done in the prem - allowing the players to leave and enjoy football elsewhere and avoiding the staleness and lack of confidence that slowly crept into our team.

bute,

i don't think we'd have got relegated from div 2 under mick. i don't think we'd have bounced straight back up either. and i really didn't want another two or three years of the same players and the same problems. like the players, mick needed a change and so did we. good luck to him wherever he moves but i don't miss him and i just want to look forward under a new manager and hope we can keep improving.

cyp,

don't you remember watching these players in our third prem season when we went behind in most matches within the first ten minutes and looked like there was more chance of a punch up between our own players than any fight as a side?

Not really, GB. I've erased a lot of that season from my memory.

Maybe the side had become jaded by that point. It's just a pity that Morgan didn't think so and backed MM in the January transfer window, if that was the case. We may have stayed up, we may have still gone down, who knows!

I just know that we'd have had more chance of survival with MM in charge than TC.

Understood, GB. I'm enjoying the success down here as much as the next man.

I'm half-watching Eggs-Factory on the telly, so am a bit slow responding. I am checking now and again so that Cinci doesn't accuse me of going quiet again. I will be heading out later, but will be overnight in a house without interweb, so there will be radio silence soon.

The house I'm staying in later is one I've been renovating, and it now has two new dormer windows - each of which has a small wolf's head, cut out of lead, at the apex.

i do think it is a bit of a cheek when someone posts something and then is back on ten minutes later calling his fellow poster out as a coward or lackwit for not replying. it is easy to forget that people sometimes let real life get in the way of an internet slanging match not sure eggs-factor qualifies as real life tho...

cyp - i guess we'd have had an equally good chance of stopping up if we'd have given the job to steve bruce as we were meant to. or as i suggested at the time, let craddock pull the team names out of a hat each week. nothing could have been worse than TC in charge, a fact for which i will always blame M&M for hammering the nails home in that funereal season.

it is easy to forget that people sometimes let real life get in the way of an internet slanging match

Ah! real life. I vaguely remember that!

Nighty, night.

gnight cyp,

see you later in the week when you plug back in

I agree with large chunks of those points gb. Certainly when Stale failed at Koln and here I felt he must go back to Scandinavia for his next job. His stock is still high there and if he is successful again at Copenhagen I guess we could debate whether that's because his style suits there or because the general standards there are lower.
I do think Mick had stayed here too long and said at the time we should be looking for a change in the summer whether he pulled survival out of the hat again or not. But I don't agree he should have gone at the time nor earlier unless someone good was lined up to replace him. And if we had gone down I would have been confident if he had been in charge in the championship that we would have gone close to getting back up, or indeed if jackett or Bruce had been there that season. But that's something we will never know.
And at least we are now back into optimism even if it's at least one division lower than we should have been allowed to get to.

Fánny, I can see your apex's and raise you a front wall !

A guy I knew in a neighbouring village had the Wolf's head about 18" across as part of his front wall.

That was about 15 years ago and the joke is he's moved and the people in there now are Villa fans !!

And it's still there, they've never bothered doing anything about their Wolf's head !