JSPC
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I'm sure Pogba is getting paid in peanuts at Juve.
So, Pogba's sole reason for leaving Man UTD was financial gain?
cool, makes me feel fine about him moving on then.
Whatever reason Pogba left it was a big loss for Manchester United.
Even if we paid him enough to keep him and sold him for £15m we would still have made a good profit.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's business. Do you hire graduates at your bank and pay them more than guys who've been there and done that?
That's madness
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Graduates are everywhere these days. Talent at MUFC like Januzaj aren't.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
I doubt Rooney was even on £100k when he joined.... Utter madness. £200k
Just offer him the going rate of players like Cleverley, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling etc.... It would be a fantastic wage for an 18 year old player.
ps - Welbeck had a fantastic debut and looked the business, before people start crying about comparing such players.
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I do like the pure delusion here. 10 yrs ago, how many players were at a 100,000 a week? foolish post shifting comparison. The going rate for smalling and jones was affected by transfer fees and for welbeck and cleverley club loyalties, this is not the case for adnan as it was the case for pogba.
The opportunity cost cannot be ignored. To get a youngster of his talent is going to cost more than 100,000 a week over 5-6 years. If I can come up with this simple math, someone in Januzaj's camp can.
Do you want to let him go or pay him that? All these "his young, no precedent" mularkey is just rubbish. We are refusing to offer them that big money contract till we think they are good enough, in that case we should expect something like this.
According to Robb, if you pay a youth player £100k a week, then the whole youth team will come demanding it.
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Of course they won't, unless they're as good, in which case, go for it.
The club's overwhelming arrogance and its failure to modernise itself in most aspects of the club will probably see us lose another young player that will go on to be one of the best players in his position within the game. The club still operate as if it's 2005, whether that be the transfer market or young player wages.
Smashing the precedent is in this case completely right, particularly if he does go. A system by which Pogba and Januzaj leave the club for nothing cannot be defended, no matter how hard the moral highgrounders like to think it's the "cretinous, young mercenaries."
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players. If this doesn't happen, then he'll leave, particularly as the likes of Bayern and Madrid will most likely be sniffing around him. The arrogant club rhetoric which goes like 'we are United, the young players should be privileged to be here' is no longer relevant. United have to adapt.
And I don't think Januzaj should be anywhere near 100k, may I add.
50-70k would be in line with many other young, quality footballers at the club.
Phil Jones was creaming it in almost instantly.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 20 minutes ago
It's business. Do you hire graduates at your bank and pay them more than guys who've been there and done that?
That's madness
**********************
Hmm... Fair enough. But this does not take into account the above average graduates. Say for example the IT industry, and Microsoft rejecting google's creators and their idea for 1 million. Now the one true threat to their dominance is something they could have signed up for the equivalent of bill gates imaginary childs pocket money.
We did not sign them when they had little negotiating power, now they do, we are not going to convince them to be reasonable. They are 18 years olds. As long as the red tint that comes from growing up supporting united is not there, they can see what players of their ability is worth.
Everything always come back to pogba no matter how people like to make it seem different. These players believe in their abilities and know they what much more in the open market.
You are all acting like the market and attitude for youngsters has not changed. Get real, its no more the same thing.
50-70k would be in line with many other young, quality footballers at the club.
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Not abroad, not at other clubs.
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players
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Yes, 1st team players like Jones, Clevs, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea.
None of the above are on anything close to £100k a week and have all done far, far more.
I'm a firm fan of Januzaj, but paying top wages to someone based on potential is madness.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players
------------------------------
Yes, 1st team players like Jones, Clevs, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea.
None of the above are on anything close to £100k a week and have all done far, far more.
I'm a firm fan of Januzaj, but paying top wages to someone based on potential is madness.
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So let's lose him over money, just so some average players in the reserves don't get the hump.
Not abroad, not at other clubs.
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I am criticial of the club's general stance, as I genuinely believe that clown Woodward will be offering something in the region of 20k.
However, we do pay big wages. More so than Barcelona, Dortmund, Juventus and any other team in Italy.
City can pay more, as can Chelsea. But on the continent, the only team, new money aside, that I can say for certain pay higher wages than United is Madrid.
We simply have to stop treating our youth players as if they are inferior than the young players we buy in - Jones, Anderson etc.
Either way, if Januzaj does decide to go to a team like Barca or Bayern then I will understand that decision whether that be financial or not.
So let's lose him over money, just so some average players in the reserves don't get the hump.
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Not quite the point I made, I will spell it out a bit clearer.
1) I want him to stay. He has shown great potential and has started to show it on a big stage.
2) I am happy for the club to offer him an amazing salary, on par with players that have been in the 1st team for 2+ years now.
3) The only clubs that would pay £100k+ to Adnan are oil clubs. To compete with those clubs on a financial level is too dangerous, we are not in that place, right now.
4) I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
Thankfully.... I'm sure the board also agree with all of the above.
I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
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I take this point, however, if Januzaj is to leave then we might aswell just shut the thing down. If he doesn't sign, losing Pogba and Januzaj in the space of two years is nothing short of scandalous for a club of United's apparent size and structure.
comment by Kagawa_26 (U15671)
posted 1 minute ago
Not abroad, not at other clubs.
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I am criticial of the club's general stance, as I genuinely believe that clown Woodward will be offering something in the region of 20k.
However, we do pay big wages. More so than Barcelona, Dortmund, Juventus and any other team in Italy.
City can pay more, as can Chelsea. But on the continent, the only team, new money aside, that I can say for certain pay higher wages than United is Madrid.
We simply have to stop treating our youth players as if they are inferior than the young players we buy in - Jones, Anderson etc.
Either way, if Januzaj does decide to go to a team like Barca or Bayern then I will understand that decision whether that be financial or not.
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You are ignoring the club thinking all he has to do is pay compensation of 2 million for a 15-20 million player. That has to be factored in. It is why I can bet Juve offered twice what we offered pogba financially because we are putting it as a wage structure issue instead of how much it takes to get these players of this level of talent.
I agree with the second to last paragraph, that is the great problem now.
As for the last paragraph of your post? I won't effing understand or think it ok we just lost our best youngster again because we cannot tie them up early enough when we notice their potential or pay them market prices or offer them what is required to stay at the club. What is the point of scouring the world, finding them, moulding them for years and basically letting them go for peanuts when we do not really have anything better.
We have the negotiating upper hand, they are at the club already, they are children, they are at a big enough club. If we cannot get them to sign, it does not bode well for future signings (like the person who we would probably need to sign if he does leave)
This is one of greatest effups in recent history, letting talented 1 year old come into the last year of their contracts with literally every card in their hand.
comment by Kagawa_26 (U15671)
posted 12 seconds ago
I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
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I take this point, however, if Januzaj is to leave then we might aswell just shut the thing down. If he doesn't sign, losing Pogba and Januzaj in the space of two years is nothing short of scandalous for a club of United's apparent size and structure.
*********************
anyway.... maybe we should leave all the crying for if he does actually leave.
As for the last paragraph of your post? I won't effing understand or think it ok we just lost our best youngster again because we cannot tie them up early enough when we notice their potential or pay them market prices or offer them what is required to stay at the club. What is the point of scouring the world, finding them, moulding them for years and basically letting them go for peanuts when we do not really have anything better.
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I do agree with this. What I meant by my point is that I won't be one of the idiots on here that castigate the guy and dub him a mercenary for simply taking on what could, objectively, be better opportunities.
At the end of the day, if you gave me the opportunity to play for Bayern under Pep Guardiola - a club that is more organised than United could dream of being, not to mention simply better at playing football - or David Moyes at United - a club that is not in line with 2013 and is decreasing in relevance by the season - then I know what I would pick. Januzaj could see United as a sinking ship, and I'm sure he's not the only one. If he leaves because of that, then fair play to him.
Am I reading right? Are some of you really want to offer a 18 years old, whom just made his debut in the league 100k just because he has potential?
I doubt the issue regarding his contract is because of money, probably more playing time rather than anything else.
But if really it is because he wants 100k then just let him leave, he won't make it. Wages should be the last worry thing for an 18 years old.
Which he might do tbh if we dont offer him a wage that a bunch of other clubs will offer if hes available on a free transfer
He's currently an outstanding prospect with very good ability. He's part of the United squad and a junior member at that, but not a regular, probably rotation for the best part of this season and maybe part of next.
£30k a week would be ample at this stage of his career. It's not as if he signs a contract for 5 years and we won't negotiate a pay rise until he's stayed for 4 of those years. If he continues to improve and contribute then I'm sure the club would re-negotiate a better deal to equal his value to the team.
Javier Hernandez signed his contract (I think it was 4 years at something like £20k a week), made a big impact and was rewarded with a new contract within 12 months.
There should be none of this 'we should give him a £100k 5 year contract' at the moment. Pay the lad a good sum, but let him continue to work and improve to get a bigger contract.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
anyway.... maybe we should leave all the crying for if he does actually leave.
************
Something i finally agree with you on. Before the game, I had a faux indifference on Januzaj as it was the only thing that could really get me to really angry this season losing another youngster.
And no one wants me angry, i'll depress everyone.
Wages should be the last worry thing for an 18 years old.
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times have changed, wages are a big factory in football today, id do the same if i could. its a job at the end of the day
comment by Fletchmasterarab (U3775)
posted 1 minute ago
Which he might do tbh if we dont offer him a wage that a bunch of other clubs will offer if hes available on a free transfer
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Which 18 years old get paid 100k?
Ronaldo wasn't on that when he was 18 and probably neither Messi.
As I said, at 18 his motivation should only be playing time.
Look at Lukaku, he is the perfect example of how a youngster should behave. He just wants to play and always has the right attitude on the pitch. God, I'd love him at Arsenal.
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posted on 6/10/13
JSPC
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I'm sure Pogba is getting paid in peanuts at Juve.
posted on 6/10/13
So, Pogba's sole reason for leaving Man UTD was financial gain?
cool, makes me feel fine about him moving on then.
posted on 6/10/13
Whatever reason Pogba left it was a big loss for Manchester United.
Even if we paid him enough to keep him and sold him for £15m we would still have made a good profit.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's business. Do you hire graduates at your bank and pay them more than guys who've been there and done that?
That's madness
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Graduates are everywhere these days. Talent at MUFC like Januzaj aren't.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
I doubt Rooney was even on £100k when he joined.... Utter madness. £200k
Just offer him the going rate of players like Cleverley, Welbeck, Jones, Smalling etc.... It would be a fantastic wage for an 18 year old player.
ps - Welbeck had a fantastic debut and looked the business, before people start crying about comparing such players.
*********************
I do like the pure delusion here. 10 yrs ago, how many players were at a 100,000 a week? foolish post shifting comparison. The going rate for smalling and jones was affected by transfer fees and for welbeck and cleverley club loyalties, this is not the case for adnan as it was the case for pogba.
The opportunity cost cannot be ignored. To get a youngster of his talent is going to cost more than 100,000 a week over 5-6 years. If I can come up with this simple math, someone in Januzaj's camp can.
Do you want to let him go or pay him that? All these "his young, no precedent" mularkey is just rubbish. We are refusing to offer them that big money contract till we think they are good enough, in that case we should expect something like this.
posted on 6/10/13
According to Robb, if you pay a youth player £100k a week, then the whole youth team will come demanding it.
----------------------
Of course they won't, unless they're as good, in which case, go for it.
The club's overwhelming arrogance and its failure to modernise itself in most aspects of the club will probably see us lose another young player that will go on to be one of the best players in his position within the game. The club still operate as if it's 2005, whether that be the transfer market or young player wages.
Smashing the precedent is in this case completely right, particularly if he does go. A system by which Pogba and Januzaj leave the club for nothing cannot be defended, no matter how hard the moral highgrounders like to think it's the "cretinous, young mercenaries."
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players. If this doesn't happen, then he'll leave, particularly as the likes of Bayern and Madrid will most likely be sniffing around him. The arrogant club rhetoric which goes like 'we are United, the young players should be privileged to be here' is no longer relevant. United have to adapt.
posted on 6/10/13
And I don't think Januzaj should be anywhere near 100k, may I add.
50-70k would be in line with many other young, quality footballers at the club.
Phil Jones was creaming it in almost instantly.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 20 minutes ago
It's business. Do you hire graduates at your bank and pay them more than guys who've been there and done that?
That's madness
**********************
Hmm... Fair enough. But this does not take into account the above average graduates. Say for example the IT industry, and Microsoft rejecting google's creators and their idea for 1 million. Now the one true threat to their dominance is something they could have signed up for the equivalent of bill gates imaginary childs pocket money.
We did not sign them when they had little negotiating power, now they do, we are not going to convince them to be reasonable. They are 18 years olds. As long as the red tint that comes from growing up supporting united is not there, they can see what players of their ability is worth.
Everything always come back to pogba no matter how people like to make it seem different. These players believe in their abilities and know they what much more in the open market.
You are all acting like the market and attitude for youngsters has not changed. Get real, its no more the same thing.
posted on 6/10/13
50-70k would be in line with many other young, quality footballers at the club.
****************
Not abroad, not at other clubs.
posted on 6/10/13
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players
------------------------------
Yes, 1st team players like Jones, Clevs, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea.
None of the above are on anything close to £100k a week and have all done far, far more.
I'm a firm fan of Januzaj, but paying top wages to someone based on potential is madness.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Januzaj requires a wage in line with first team players
------------------------------
Yes, 1st team players like Jones, Clevs, Welbeck, Rafael and De Gea.
None of the above are on anything close to £100k a week and have all done far, far more.
I'm a firm fan of Januzaj, but paying top wages to someone based on potential is madness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So let's lose him over money, just so some average players in the reserves don't get the hump.
posted on 6/10/13
Not abroad, not at other clubs.
-----------------
I am criticial of the club's general stance, as I genuinely believe that clown Woodward will be offering something in the region of 20k.
However, we do pay big wages. More so than Barcelona, Dortmund, Juventus and any other team in Italy.
City can pay more, as can Chelsea. But on the continent, the only team, new money aside, that I can say for certain pay higher wages than United is Madrid.
We simply have to stop treating our youth players as if they are inferior than the young players we buy in - Jones, Anderson etc.
Either way, if Januzaj does decide to go to a team like Barca or Bayern then I will understand that decision whether that be financial or not.
posted on 6/10/13
So let's lose him over money, just so some average players in the reserves don't get the hump.
-----------------------------
Not quite the point I made, I will spell it out a bit clearer.
1) I want him to stay. He has shown great potential and has started to show it on a big stage.
2) I am happy for the club to offer him an amazing salary, on par with players that have been in the 1st team for 2+ years now.
3) The only clubs that would pay £100k+ to Adnan are oil clubs. To compete with those clubs on a financial level is too dangerous, we are not in that place, right now.
4) I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
Thankfully.... I'm sure the board also agree with all of the above.
posted on 6/10/13
Sell him to Bruges.
posted on 6/10/13
I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
------------------
I take this point, however, if Januzaj is to leave then we might aswell just shut the thing down. If he doesn't sign, losing Pogba and Januzaj in the space of two years is nothing short of scandalous for a club of United's apparent size and structure.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Kagawa_26 (U15671)
posted 1 minute ago
Not abroad, not at other clubs.
-----------------
I am criticial of the club's general stance, as I genuinely believe that clown Woodward will be offering something in the region of 20k.
However, we do pay big wages. More so than Barcelona, Dortmund, Juventus and any other team in Italy.
City can pay more, as can Chelsea. But on the continent, the only team, new money aside, that I can say for certain pay higher wages than United is Madrid.
We simply have to stop treating our youth players as if they are inferior than the young players we buy in - Jones, Anderson etc.
Either way, if Januzaj does decide to go to a team like Barca or Bayern then I will understand that decision whether that be financial or not.
***************************
You are ignoring the club thinking all he has to do is pay compensation of 2 million for a 15-20 million player. That has to be factored in. It is why I can bet Juve offered twice what we offered pogba financially because we are putting it as a wage structure issue instead of how much it takes to get these players of this level of talent.
I agree with the second to last paragraph, that is the great problem now.
As for the last paragraph of your post? I won't effing understand or think it ok we just lost our best youngster again because we cannot tie them up early enough when we notice their potential or pay them market prices or offer them what is required to stay at the club. What is the point of scouring the world, finding them, moulding them for years and basically letting them go for peanuts when we do not really have anything better.
We have the negotiating upper hand, they are at the club already, they are children, they are at a big enough club. If we cannot get them to sign, it does not bode well for future signings (like the person who we would probably need to sign if he does leave)
This is one of greatest effups in recent history, letting talented 1 year old come into the last year of their contracts with literally every card in their hand.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Kagawa_26 (U15671)
posted 12 seconds ago
I don't think Man UTD should compromise their entire academy by paying a ridiculous wage to someone, purely based on potential.
------------------
I take this point, however, if Januzaj is to leave then we might aswell just shut the thing down. If he doesn't sign, losing Pogba and Januzaj in the space of two years is nothing short of scandalous for a club of United's apparent size and structure.
*********************
posted on 6/10/13
anyway.... maybe we should leave all the crying for if he does actually leave.
posted on 6/10/13
As for the last paragraph of your post? I won't effing understand or think it ok we just lost our best youngster again because we cannot tie them up early enough when we notice their potential or pay them market prices or offer them what is required to stay at the club. What is the point of scouring the world, finding them, moulding them for years and basically letting them go for peanuts when we do not really have anything better.
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I do agree with this. What I meant by my point is that I won't be one of the idiots on here that castigate the guy and dub him a mercenary for simply taking on what could, objectively, be better opportunities.
At the end of the day, if you gave me the opportunity to play for Bayern under Pep Guardiola - a club that is more organised than United could dream of being, not to mention simply better at playing football - or David Moyes at United - a club that is not in line with 2013 and is decreasing in relevance by the season - then I know what I would pick. Januzaj could see United as a sinking ship, and I'm sure he's not the only one. If he leaves because of that, then fair play to him.
posted on 6/10/13
Am I reading right? Are some of you really want to offer a 18 years old, whom just made his debut in the league 100k just because he has potential?
I doubt the issue regarding his contract is because of money, probably more playing time rather than anything else.
But if really it is because he wants 100k then just let him leave, he won't make it. Wages should be the last worry thing for an 18 years old.
posted on 6/10/13
Which he might do tbh if we dont offer him a wage that a bunch of other clubs will offer if hes available on a free transfer
posted on 6/10/13
He's currently an outstanding prospect with very good ability. He's part of the United squad and a junior member at that, but not a regular, probably rotation for the best part of this season and maybe part of next.
£30k a week would be ample at this stage of his career. It's not as if he signs a contract for 5 years and we won't negotiate a pay rise until he's stayed for 4 of those years. If he continues to improve and contribute then I'm sure the club would re-negotiate a better deal to equal his value to the team.
Javier Hernandez signed his contract (I think it was 4 years at something like £20k a week), made a big impact and was rewarded with a new contract within 12 months.
There should be none of this 'we should give him a £100k 5 year contract' at the moment. Pay the lad a good sum, but let him continue to work and improve to get a bigger contract.
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 6 minutes ago
anyway.... maybe we should leave all the crying for if he does actually leave.
************
Something i finally agree with you on. Before the game, I had a faux indifference on Januzaj as it was the only thing that could really get me to really angry this season losing another youngster.
And no one wants me angry, i'll depress everyone.
posted on 6/10/13
Wages should be the last worry thing for an 18 years old.
==========================================
times have changed, wages are a big factory in football today, id do the same if i could. its a job at the end of the day
posted on 6/10/13
comment by Fletchmasterarab (U3775)
posted 1 minute ago
Which he might do tbh if we dont offer him a wage that a bunch of other clubs will offer if hes available on a free transfer
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Which 18 years old get paid 100k?
Ronaldo wasn't on that when he was 18 and probably neither Messi.
As I said, at 18 his motivation should only be playing time.
Look at Lukaku, he is the perfect example of how a youngster should behave. He just wants to play and always has the right attitude on the pitch. God, I'd love him at Arsenal.
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