comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you dispute the findings of the Heysel report and subsequent trials?
When are you taking this to court on behalf of the deceased?
I dispute the fact that you claim it could have happened with any other clubs supporters on that night.
I say if it wasn't Liverpool in that final a tragedy would not have taken place that night.
The fact people other Liverpool fans were convicted, and that those that were convicted were convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter, proves that it could have happened to another set of hooligan fans.
On the night the hooligans were Liverpool ones. On another night they could have been someone else.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
25,000 plus Blues in Rotterdam.....a commendation from the Chief of Police " they are welcome in our city anytime"
2 weeks later...animals forcing men women and children into a wall with such force it collapsed.
We didn't have any deaths than god
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 minute ago
The fact people other Liverpool fans were convicted, and that those that were convicted were convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter, proves that it could have happened to another set of hooligan fans.
On the night the hooligans were Liverpool ones. On another night they could have been someone else.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
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You are saying that a tragedy was bound to happen on that night at that stadium no matter what team got to the final.
Tell us all why that would be the case.Tell us why if any other team at got to the final their set of fans would have fought with the other set and then charge them causing multiple deaths.
Tell us all why you believe this would have happened no matter who got to the final that night?
Stadium built in 1930...deaths in the following 55 years until Liverpool played there ? ZERO.
It was the stadiums fault though
You are saying that a tragedy was bound to happen on that night at that stadium no matter what team got to the final.
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I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying every team had hooligans at that time.
I'm saying organisers and the police were convicted for their part in the stadium's collapse.
Its perfectly reasonable to assume another set of fans could have caused the wall to collapse, and could have led to deaths.
I'm not saying it was bound to happen at all.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
I'm done with you pair of fools anyway.
You are beyond education.
Enjoy your bitterness
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
I'd say if any other club that played in the European cup had got to the final other than Liverpool a tragedy would not have taken place.
Your fans caused huge problems in Athens and if it wasn't for the multiple fences surrounding the stadium built to stop fans rushing the turnstyles then god forbid who knows what could have happened.
As regards more arrests for Everton fans last season,I'd put it down to the fact that Evertonians will not tolorate fellow fans causing problems and shaming the club.So trouble makers are more likely to be reported to the police by fellow blues thus causing us to have more arrests.
Your set of fans seem to have less morals(generalising of course,their will be some decent law abiding reds as well)
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"As regards more arrests for Everton fans last season,I'd put it down to the fact that Evertonians will not tolorate fellow fans causing problems and shaming the club.So trouble makers are more likely to be reported to the police by fellow blues thus causing us to have more arrests.
Your set of fans seem to have less morals(generalising of course,their will be some decent law abiding reds as well)"
Do you actually believe that? .
Unbelievable, I ask why it was that Everton didnt win a European cup outside of those years English clubs were banned, and we have Phil and VOR banging on about, and trying to point score regarding Heysel.
The fact they can't admit their team and club were too crap to do so smacks of their absolute inferiority complex as Everton fans.
Unless of course they have another reason? Doubt it.
But they keep peddling the same type of crap.
Everton - a nothing club now, that has achieved nothing this century, and has the bitter support to match!
If they had managed to do what every other English club has done, and actually got through the champions league qualifiers, they might have got themselves into a better position. But they failed, and have never recovered from that.
European cup/ champions league - always say never if it concerns Everton.
Can't speak for phil but for me personally?
I won't have out of town glory hunting ball bags trying to educate me re the behaviour of Everton fans.
The fact remains,no Everton fan has ever stood in a court of law to face charges over the death of fellow football fans at a match.
Fans of your clubs have
We qualified twice as league champions.......
But were not allowed to enter
What stopped you in other years when English clubs weren't banned?
When you finished fourth?
Every English club that has finished fourth and played champions league qualifiers has gone into the champions league, bar Everton.
You were just not good enough..
All English clubs were banned because of the hooligan culture surrounding many many clubs. Liverpool were banned for longer.
The ban was placed by the FA, not UEFA, on all english clubs due to hooliganism up and down the country following instruction from the then prime minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
Firms like the Cutters contributed to their own clubs being on the receiving end of that ban.
Following the end of that ban English clubs have performed well in Europe with Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd winning trophies and getting to finals. Something even Fulham managed.
Thereby Everton fans pointing to one thing that affected all English clubs due to their own hooligan instances as a reason for being unsuccessful in Europe doesn't stand to reason.
You can read more on the cutters here :
http://thefirms.co.uk/everton-county-road-cutters/
Educate yourselves.
Did the cutters ever kill anyone?
Red in t' head.
What part of the country are you from?
The cutters and firms like them contributed to the FA banning all English clubs from European competition, such was the prevalence of hooliganism in the English game at the time, longer for Liverpool for tragic reasons you keep wanting to bring up.
But at last you realise that the ban was imposed by The FA across the board as a countermeasure versus that hooliganism from ALL clubs.
It doesn't matter whereabouts I am from, as I don't want you popping round to invite me for a drink, but I will say a close cousin of mine from the same neighbourhood is a blue like you.
Thatcher imposed the ban because fans of your club killed 39 people.
No doubt most clubs had their share of hooligans.
The worst period for football violence was the late 70s and early 80s.
English clubs were not banned in the worst period of violence.
Phil is quite literally the most mental person on this site bar none, even more twisted and deluded than Sandy, RGK and Hajifur.
VOR is just a complete moron.
comment by Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
The cutters and firms like them contributed to the FA banning all English clubs from European competition, such was the prevalence of hooliganism in the English game at the time, longer for Liverpool for tragic reasons you keep wanting to bring up.
But at last you realise that the ban was imposed by The FA across the board as a countermeasure versus that hooliganism from ALL clubs.
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Your fans gave UEFA and Thatcher the opportunity to ban English clubs from playing in European football for years.
Put any sort of slant on it as is your want being a Liverpool fan,but Heysel 1985 and 39 fans being murdered by Liverpool supporters was the reason why ALL English clubs were banned.
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
Phil is quite literally the most mental person on this site bar none, even more twisted and deluded than Sandy, RGK and Hajifur.
VOR is just a complete moron.
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Why is that? Is it because I say it as it is and makes you feel uncomfortable with my stance on this.
Advantage Everton
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posted on 21/2/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 3 seconds ago
Do you dispute the findings of the Heysel report and subsequent trials?
When are you taking this to court on behalf of the deceased?
I dispute the fact that you claim it could have happened with any other clubs supporters on that night.
I say if it wasn't Liverpool in that final a tragedy would not have taken place that night.
posted on 21/2/14
The fact people other Liverpool fans were convicted, and that those that were convicted were convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter, proves that it could have happened to another set of hooligan fans.
On the night the hooligans were Liverpool ones. On another night they could have been someone else.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
posted on 21/2/14
25,000 plus Blues in Rotterdam.....a commendation from the Chief of Police " they are welcome in our city anytime"
2 weeks later...animals forcing men women and children into a wall with such force it collapsed.
posted on 21/2/14
We didn't have any deaths than god
posted on 21/2/14
*thank
posted on 21/2/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 1 minute ago
The fact people other Liverpool fans were convicted, and that those that were convicted were convicted of Involuntary Manslaughter, proves that it could have happened to another set of hooligan fans.
On the night the hooligans were Liverpool ones. On another night they could have been someone else.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
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You are saying that a tragedy was bound to happen on that night at that stadium no matter what team got to the final.
Tell us all why that would be the case.Tell us why if any other team at got to the final their set of fans would have fought with the other set and then charge them causing multiple deaths.
Tell us all why you believe this would have happened no matter who got to the final that night?
posted on 21/2/14
Stadium built in 1930...deaths in the following 55 years until Liverpool played there ? ZERO.
It was the stadiums fault though
posted on 21/2/14
You are saying that a tragedy was bound to happen on that night at that stadium no matter what team got to the final.
----
I'm not saying that at all.
I'm saying every team had hooligans at that time.
I'm saying organisers and the police were convicted for their part in the stadium's collapse.
Its perfectly reasonable to assume another set of fans could have caused the wall to collapse, and could have led to deaths.
I'm not saying it was bound to happen at all.
How come Everton had more arrests than Liverpool last season by the way, as Liverpool fans are so terrible?
posted on 21/2/14
I'm done with you pair of fools anyway.
You are beyond education.
Enjoy your bitterness
posted on 21/2/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
I'd say if any other club that played in the European cup had got to the final other than Liverpool a tragedy would not have taken place.
Your fans caused huge problems in Athens and if it wasn't for the multiple fences surrounding the stadium built to stop fans rushing the turnstyles then god forbid who knows what could have happened.
As regards more arrests for Everton fans last season,I'd put it down to the fact that Evertonians will not tolorate fellow fans causing problems and shaming the club.So trouble makers are more likely to be reported to the police by fellow blues thus causing us to have more arrests.
Your set of fans seem to have less morals(generalising of course,their will be some decent law abiding reds as well)
posted on 21/2/14
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posted on 21/2/14
"As regards more arrests for Everton fans last season,I'd put it down to the fact that Evertonians will not tolorate fellow fans causing problems and shaming the club.So trouble makers are more likely to be reported to the police by fellow blues thus causing us to have more arrests.
Your set of fans seem to have less morals(generalising of course,their will be some decent law abiding reds as well)"
Do you actually believe that? .
posted on 22/2/14
Unbelievable, I ask why it was that Everton didnt win a European cup outside of those years English clubs were banned, and we have Phil and VOR banging on about, and trying to point score regarding Heysel.
The fact they can't admit their team and club were too crap to do so smacks of their absolute inferiority complex as Everton fans.
Unless of course they have another reason? Doubt it.
But they keep peddling the same type of crap.
Everton - a nothing club now, that has achieved nothing this century, and has the bitter support to match!
If they had managed to do what every other English club has done, and actually got through the champions league qualifiers, they might have got themselves into a better position. But they failed, and have never recovered from that.
European cup/ champions league - always say never if it concerns Everton.
posted on 22/2/14
Can't speak for phil but for me personally?
I won't have out of town glory hunting ball bags trying to educate me re the behaviour of Everton fans.
The fact remains,no Everton fan has ever stood in a court of law to face charges over the death of fellow football fans at a match.
Fans of your clubs have
posted on 22/2/14
We qualified twice as league champions.......
But were not allowed to enter
posted on 22/2/14
What stopped you in other years when English clubs weren't banned?
When you finished fourth?
Every English club that has finished fourth and played champions league qualifiers has gone into the champions league, bar Everton.
You were just not good enough..
posted on 22/2/14
All English clubs were banned because of the hooligan culture surrounding many many clubs. Liverpool were banned for longer.
The ban was placed by the FA, not UEFA, on all english clubs due to hooliganism up and down the country following instruction from the then prime minister.
http://www.theguardian.com/fromthearchive/story/0,,1496054,00.html
Firms like the Cutters contributed to their own clubs being on the receiving end of that ban.
Following the end of that ban English clubs have performed well in Europe with Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd winning trophies and getting to finals. Something even Fulham managed.
Thereby Everton fans pointing to one thing that affected all English clubs due to their own hooligan instances as a reason for being unsuccessful in Europe doesn't stand to reason.
You can read more on the cutters here :
http://thefirms.co.uk/everton-county-road-cutters/
Educate yourselves.
posted on 22/2/14
Did the cutters ever kill anyone?
posted on 22/2/14
Red in t' head.
What part of the country are you from?
posted on 22/2/14
The cutters and firms like them contributed to the FA banning all English clubs from European competition, such was the prevalence of hooliganism in the English game at the time, longer for Liverpool for tragic reasons you keep wanting to bring up.
But at last you realise that the ban was imposed by The FA across the board as a countermeasure versus that hooliganism from ALL clubs.
posted on 22/2/14
It doesn't matter whereabouts I am from, as I don't want you popping round to invite me for a drink, but I will say a close cousin of mine from the same neighbourhood is a blue like you.
posted on 22/2/14
Thatcher imposed the ban because fans of your club killed 39 people.
No doubt most clubs had their share of hooligans.
The worst period for football violence was the late 70s and early 80s.
English clubs were not banned in the worst period of violence.
posted on 22/2/14
Phil is quite literally the most mental person on this site bar none, even more twisted and deluded than Sandy, RGK and Hajifur.
VOR is just a complete moron.
posted on 22/2/14
comment by Redinthehead - At least we didnt finish 13th! (U1860)
posted 2 minutes ago
The cutters and firms like them contributed to the FA banning all English clubs from European competition, such was the prevalence of hooliganism in the English game at the time, longer for Liverpool for tragic reasons you keep wanting to bring up.
But at last you realise that the ban was imposed by The FA across the board as a countermeasure versus that hooliganism from ALL clubs.
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Your fans gave UEFA and Thatcher the opportunity to ban English clubs from playing in European football for years.
Put any sort of slant on it as is your want being a Liverpool fan,but Heysel 1985 and 39 fans being murdered by Liverpool supporters was the reason why ALL English clubs were banned.
posted on 22/2/14
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
Phil is quite literally the most mental person on this site bar none, even more twisted and deluded than Sandy, RGK and Hajifur.
VOR is just a complete moron.
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Why is that? Is it because I say it as it is and makes you feel uncomfortable with my stance on this.
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