I wouldnt say its wee team mentality tbh, i think it happens.

I dont think the clubs are responsible all the time i think a lot is the media more than anything else.

Certainly happens tho

You can take it any way you want

But if you insist on a response...

I don't think it's indicitave of being a small team whatsoever, and in terms of Scottish football I think it makes you seem ridiculous to suggest we are a small team.

What it is indicative of is a west coast media that has an obsession with two particular teams to the detriment of every other team, and only pay the other teams any heed whatsoever when they are about to play the two teams that they are interested in.

This leads to a lopsided, disinterested media that fails to provide any depth of coverage to our national game, again which is deterimental to our game as a whole, and which will only run stories that will appeal to a market that encompasses the supporters of those two clubs.

United, Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs are not small clubs, but all suffer the same type of awful journalism by the west coast rags and I would imagine most supporters of those clubs are, as I am, sick of it. It's unhelpful and wholly predictable.

Rather than accept it as part and parcel of what our game is about it should be highlighted, as I have in this article, and it should be ridiculed as the utter nonsense that it is.

The one part of the argument I'm willing to accept is debatable is that I say it's designed to undermime and unsettle the players involved. Maybe that's just an unfortunate outcome from this type of journalism and it isn't what it's designed to do. However, as a supporter of a club who has had to endure this kind of thing for far too long, I have seen numerous players fall out of form and play poorly in games like this when transfer speculation has unsettled them. The media must be aware that this is a possibility yet still choose to run the story.


Is that the kind of response you were looking for St3vie?

Paragraph fight yas!

Totally agree Keny

Its how its responded to thats the key

I say its wee team mentality because fans of the old firm, who;s clubs are continually in the media spotlight, they would not think the Daily Record or Sun is actively trying to unsettle a player at their club if a story was run in the days before an old firm game, linking that player with a move to the Premier League.

I think most old firm fans, while not wanting to lose good players, would actually be quite happy to see one of their ranks linked with a big move down south or a move to a big club........they'd take it as a compliment to an extent

Whereas when its happened here with United and players moving either to the old firm or down south.....well, the article says it all ,ok>

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If Gavin Gunning is a thug, what does that make Scott Brown?

"it is indicative of is a west coast media that has an obsession with two particular teams to the detriment of every other team"......

so lets just ignore the impact of that on the old firm then shall we??

You get a small amount of nothing stories printed about you in a season, mainly when games agasint the old firm come round....and to you, this is very detrimental.

Every other week, the old firm get it, and its fcking constant.

If the odd story over the course of the season about your players is so detrimental, imagine how fcking bad it would be if there was a complete non-story about your club appearing in the papers on a weekly if not daily basis.

You seem to miss the point that a media fixated on Rangers and Celtic....is as detrimental to Rangers and Celtic, if not more, than your Dundee United's, Aberdeen's and whoever else, as well as the whole game in Scotland.

" as a supporter of a club who has had to endure this kind of thing for far too long"....you seriously do not now the fcking half of it Ivan

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so lets just ignore the impact of that on the old firm then shall we??
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Well...yes. I couldn't care less about the impact on the Old Firm.

I wrote an article about United players and the impact it has on United.

I notice you've also moved on from the "small club" narrative.

Dundee United fans were all happy when Gauld was linked with Real Madrid, Roma and Liverpool etc when they were playing against SPL sides.

Now all of a sudden because they're playing Rangers it's the Press trying to unsettle them?

Marcelino - those rumours had substance. This story and the predictable upcoming ones won't. That's the fairly substantial and dare I say obvious difference.

If Gavin Gunning is a thug, what does that make Scott Brown?
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I think you will find I havent

As I said on one of my first comments on this article......"I cant sit and take a complaint bout this from Dundee United fan all that seriously when he is complaining about it the odd time the level gets cranked up coz his team has games against the old firm coming up"

I'll take the opposite view from yourself....and say I couldnt care less about the impact media attention has on Dundee United.

Its a small team mentality because the bigger clubs continually in the spotlight suffer from this far more than those that arent.

So for a fan of a team that is not in the spotlight as much to complain about this, and come at it from an angle that its done to benefit teh old firm in someway, and is aimed to be detrimental to the old firm's opposition...I am going to call that what it is, utter bollox that is nothing but laughable

At least you admitted that its perhaps not designed to undermine your team or your players...thats what got my back up the most.

But even then.....you really are in no place to say that the media are acting in a way to benefit the old firm when its simply the case that they are writing non-stories about your club for a change and not ours.

Yes, those stories are written with a view of appealing to old firm fans, that I get.....but a story painting Rangers or Celtic in a bad light, even if its complete made up nonsense, is printed just as quickly and is in no way beneficial to the club that is the subject matter

St3vie, your argument would stand up better if I stated ALL articles in papers are designed to benefit the Old Firm.

I never said that and never would.

What I said was that THESE non-stories are beneficial to the Old Firm because they unsettle the player(s) in question.

All I've said is THESE non-stories always come out in the run up to a game against your lot or the other lot. I don't get why that's got your back up to be honest. In no way have I commented or given any opinion on anything other than this matter in this thread.

You've got yourself in a tizzy about something that you have to accept happens.

How can you possibly state with any confidence that a story linking Gauld with Real Madrid has substance yet a story linking him with Celtic hasn't?

Leigh - there was an actual scout at the game from Real Madrid and the scout did say they were impressed with him. He was also put on a Real Madrid shortlist of young talents.

I'm also not saying that Celtic don't have Gauld or any of the United boys on their radar - they undoubtedly will. However, the genesis of the stories that will appear over the next few weeks won't be because the journalist in question has talked to his contacts or because there has been a move by a party to sign that particular player - it'll simply be a case of the journalist publishing a story just because there's an upcoming game between the two teams.

"You've got yourself in a tizzy about something that you have to accept happens."

Says the Dundee United fan, writing an entire article, saying the "west coast media" and there "blatant attempt at unsettling our players is hilarious and absolutely typical of what they always do in the build up to a game against either of the Old Firm."

Correct me if I am wrong...but have you not got yourself into a tizzy about something that you have to accept happens....ie when your club is up agaisnt one of the old firm, the spotlight, thats unsually shone on us, starts to shine on you, and you have to deal with it, the odd time it happens??

Should you not just accept that this happens and moreover, be fcking grateful that in most cases it only happens when you have games coming agasint us....and it isnt a constant diatribe every bloody week??

I mean you are the one sitting writing an article about this, and how wrong it all is, bleating that you are "a supporter of a club who has had to endure this kind of thing for far too long".....when your club is nowhere near the papers half the time FFS

Just because I posted an article relating to a news story on my club hardly makes me in a tizzy

Anyway, why should I accept it? If you guys are happy enough with the written media writing rubbish that is detrimental to your club then that's your perogative, but I don't accept that and I don't see why I should just endure that level of shoddy journalism.

You seem to be suggesting that we should just live with it. I disagree. I think the coverage in this country of our national game should be based in fact and should be of a far higher standard.

Just because it only happens every now and then doesn't make it ok ffs.

Ivan

You are posting an article about your club, complaining about the media, and come at it from an angle, that the media are acting in a pro-old firm manner, and are deiberately trying to undermine your players and your team ahead of games against the old firm.

At what point are you going to realise that is not just an article relating to a news story on your club and the shoddy journalism on show....but actually an attempt to suggest there is bias in the media, slanted towards the old firm

If your article was exactly what you are trying to say it is....I would have treated it as such....an article ripping the unt out of the shoddy journalism in this country....and I'd be fully in your corner.

Sadly, it wasnt that, it was much more, and had wee team mentality right the way through it.

The suggestion that the media intently wrote these stories to harm Dundee United is a ridiculous statement to make when the old firm are harmed by many many more stories the media choose to print, on a far mare frequent basis, purely from the stand point that they want to sell papaers and dont give a fck about who it harms

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I'm giving Dundee United some yardage Ginger

Shouldnt just be the old firm show

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