When you listened to people like Pleat talk about his time, they say that players weren't allowed to just go out and play football, express themselves, they had very rigid jobs to do. As a result our play was boring, which I suppose you'd take if you were winning every game, but it didn't work against the top clubs.
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While I agree we were playing boring football I think that was more down to the playing squad either not being capable, or not knowing each other and the league well enough, to make it work.
We're crying out for discipline and some kind of order - in the last few games Eriksen has appeared all over the pitch, Walker's popped up in midfield.. it's a fackin mess and smacks of the players (led by Ade?) getting their own way because the old boss was pushing them.
We're cantering to the season's end now.. hopefully a new manager will get it to work in the way that AVB was trying to do, and Sherwood is incapable of.
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posted 1 minute ago
I think AVB should have been given the season but I agree there wasnt something right, the fact we were getting hammered against the big teams, dull football and isolating Ade.
Levy brought in Sherwood who as everyone knows has no experience so I hope we keep with him otherwise why didnt levy bring in someone like hoddle if we were bringing in a guy just to manage for the rest of the season. I think even hoddle came out publicly saying he would of taken the job!
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you needed someone who could go back to the basics, which had clearly gone out the window under AVB. from what i could see anyway Sherwood was meant to be that man, stabilising the club for a more high profile appointment in the summer
Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
Harry's leaving was entirely Harry's own fault as I have pointed out on many occasions on here!
Sherwood was the least cost option for the club. If he succeeds, then it was an inspired appointment. If he fails then he will be let go with not a lot of money being paid out.
Incidentally, once AVB starts work with Zenith, I believe we stop paying him compensation!
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People are rightly saying he shouldn't have gone because we've now brought in someone who is worse.
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Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
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There were those that said AVB wasn't the right choice, and if you're one of those then it looks twice as bad for Levy knowing we might have gone for Martinez or Rodgers, who are now both doing very well with their new clubs, playing flowing attacking football (the opposite of what we had under AVB).
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Fair play
My point was though that there was nothing to suggest - while he had the same squad as Harry - that he was a poor manager. Quite the opposite imo.
dont click, to get in a guy with no experience to stabalise the club is crazy which i think everyone said at the time.
Genius point that sherwood was the cheapest option could be true as levy is very tight like that but I believe sherwood was given the job because he is highly rated by levy and I personally would not be surprised if he kept the job for next season.
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While I agree we were playing boring football I think that was more down to the playing squad either not being capable, or not knowing each other and the league well enough, to make it work.
We're crying out for discipline and some kind of order - in the last few games Eriksen has appeared all over the pitch, Walker's popped up in midfield.. it's a fackin mess and smacks of the players (led by Ade?) getting their own way because the old boss was pushing them.
We're cantering to the season's end now.. hopefully a new manager will get it to work in the way that AVB was trying to do, and Sherwood is incapable of.
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I actually can't disagree with any of that! We're a mess right now, there's no denying it.
Just want to go into games with hope / excitement again.
Just want to go into games with hope / excitement again.
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comment by Respected Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
"There's clearly something about the guy that prompts big clubs (or clubs with big budgets, as in Zenit's case) to appoint him. "
Media hype calling him the next Mourinho
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Spot on.
Would have had to have been a manager of Alan shearer or Les Reed proportions to have not won the Portuguese league with falcao, hulk and moutinho in the team. The league was so easy he was actually able to try and win the Europa league.
Got to Chelsea and it all started to unravel. It was generally accepted that the Chelsea old guard got him the sack with some sort of munity, and to be honest I believed it......
But if that's the case, what happened at Spurs? No longer had monkey boy to dig us out of a hole? The only problem players were ade and BAE, so is he only good in an all-signing, all-dancing dressing room? Can't always be someone else's fault when he fails.
Probably took the job based on hulk not leaving as he should be able to win games on his own.
NotSoMagicJuande (U1913), I actually disagree and think sherwood has been trying out different players in different positions to see how the team gel.
Yes it has looked a mess but for the first time although we lost I thought we played very well as a team against arsenal and I do have hope that sherwood is starting to know how to play and where best to put the players.
Although we have nothing to play for now it will be interesting how the performances go from now til the end of the season.
It is very easy to come on here and say sherwood is out of his depth blah blah but I dont blame him for playing players in different positions etc and trying out different formations. It was always going to be a learning curve for him.
What proved to me on Sunday was that he hasnt lost the dressing room, the players seem to be behind him.
Would have had to have been a manager of Alan shearer or Les Reed proportions to have not won the Portuguese league with falcao, hulk and moutinho in the team.
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To be fair he won it unbeaten.
The problem players stayed, and the good ones left. It's not rocket science to compare the squad Harry had when we got CL and the squad AVB got fired with and see why he may have struggled to get us playing well.
Burghandy - at risk of contradicting myself, I do agree to some extent. Against arsenal was a very good performance. I haven't given up all hope of Tim doing well! It's just a strange situation, in that hardly anyone expected a win against arsenal - that's what it's become and that's what worries me.
I'd love Tim to turn it around, I'd love anyone to! Just a bit of a mess of a season.
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posted 15 seconds ago
People are rightly saying he shouldn't have gone because we've now brought in someone who is worse.
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Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
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There were those that said AVB wasn't the right choice, and if you're one of those then it looks twice as bad for Levy knowing we might have gone for Martinez or Rodgers, who are now both doing very well with their new clubs, playing flowing attacking football (the opposite of what we had under AVB).
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Fair play
My point was though that there was nothing to suggest - while he had the same squad as Harry - that he was a poor manager. Quite the opposite imo.
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Oh I thought that after the first season that he was doing a good job, and still maintain we should have kept him for longer. So no real arguments from me.
Glad he's not gone to a proper team with a decent fanbase.
Wouldn't wish this guy on anyone (well, maybe Arsenal).
Hiring AVB was Levy's biggest mistake yet. Had we got Rodgers/Martinez we would be sitting pretty now
Some really strange and unfair views. At Porto he won everything they could have and people suggesting it doesn't count because of the players he had. When did it become easy to go a season unbeaten with or without good players?
He was brought in at Chelsea and asked to fix an ageing team. His mistake was trying to do so quickly. It is hard enough to have authority over the old guard considering youre similar age and they've won almost everything let alone when you leave them out of games.
At Tottenham he got the highest points total ever and win percentage as a manager. Adebayor is a c*nt for not trying all the time and only when it suits him. This season wasnt great performance wise but we were 3 points off 2nd and in all competitions. Plus considering we lost a brilliant player in Bale and brought in 7 new ones from different countries then he should of got the full season.
Its a difficult task and considering all of that, a lot of the fans were expecting too much in achieving 4th as if it's a right. We are not a big European club to expect wins weekly and champions league yearly. I thought AVB was brought to be given a chance to rebuild a team and the important thing was improving our away games and defensive record. This was at the expense of attacking football which i think would have come after stability and gelling. Anyway, good luck to him. Never should have got Sherwood.
NotSoMagicJuande your right it is a strange situation we are in.
Im now backing Tim but again I wouldnt be surprise if Levy gets rid of him in the summer!
I just dont think the club needs a massive overhaul and by bringing in a new manger its all going to be all change again.
I think most spurs fans agree that we need a new left back and a centre half and thats it.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some really strange and unfair views. At Porto he won everything they could have and people suggesting it doesn't count because of the players he had. When did it become easy to go a season unbeaten with or without good players?
He was brought in at Chelsea and asked to fix an ageing team. His mistake was trying to do so quickly. It is hard enough to have authority over the old guard considering youre similar age and they've won almost everything let alone when you leave them out of games.
At Tottenham he got the highest points total ever and win percentage as a manager. Adebayor is a c*nt for not trying all the time and only when it suits him. This season wasnt great performance wise but we were 3 points off 2nd and in all competitions. Plus considering we lost a brilliant player in Bale and brought in 7 new ones from different countries then he should of got the full season.
Its a difficult task and considering all of that, a lot of the fans were expecting too much in achieving 4th as if it's a right. We are not a big European club to expect wins weekly and champions league yearly. I thought AVB was brought to be given a chance to rebuild a team and the important thing was improving our away games and defensive record. This was at the expense of attacking football which i think would have come after stability and gelling. Anyway, good luck to him. Never should have got Sherwood.
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Agree entirely, well put
Agree Burgandy, the last thing we need is a load more players. I'll be furious if we buy many more this summer. Just want some consistency...
Just had a look at the table when AVB was sacked.
We were 7th and 5 points of 4th.
We had 27 points from 16 games
We had just 15 goals from 16 games
We had a -6 goal difference
We had just been spanked 5-0 by Liverpool
We had a top quality centre forward training with the kids
AVB was awful. Worst football I've seen at Spurs. The results were decent last season thanks to Bale. Sure AVB helped improve Bale, but the amount of ridiculous winning goals Bale scored is down to his brilliance and not AVB's tactics.
Good riddance
He did leave us in all cup competitions though with a 100% record. And in a way I think that was part of the problem, him caring as much or more about the cup competitions as the league.
Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you
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Stats are meaningless without context.
Like your claim that "AVB was awful" - pretty meaningless.
AVB was too stubborn in his convictions but there was nothing he'd shown in England to back them up.
Just to qualify that above comment:
I'm not condoning ade's shocking attitude, and he can go in the summer as far as I'm concerned.
simple question, what has AVB actually accomplished in his managerial career? because it seems to me his whole reputation is based on 1 season where he managed to dominate a 2 horse race with the strongest squad in the League
as i said, should have set his sights lower after the Spurs debacle and looked for a long term project at a smaller club
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posted on 18/3/14
He'll fail.
posted on 18/3/14
When you listened to people like Pleat talk about his time, they say that players weren't allowed to just go out and play football, express themselves, they had very rigid jobs to do. As a result our play was boring, which I suppose you'd take if you were winning every game, but it didn't work against the top clubs.
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While I agree we were playing boring football I think that was more down to the playing squad either not being capable, or not knowing each other and the league well enough, to make it work.
We're crying out for discipline and some kind of order - in the last few games Eriksen has appeared all over the pitch, Walker's popped up in midfield.. it's a fackin mess and smacks of the players (led by Ade?) getting their own way because the old boss was pushing them.
We're cantering to the season's end now.. hopefully a new manager will get it to work in the way that AVB was trying to do, and Sherwood is incapable of.
posted on 18/3/14
comment by burghandy (U10383)
posted 1 minute ago
I think AVB should have been given the season but I agree there wasnt something right, the fact we were getting hammered against the big teams, dull football and isolating Ade.
Levy brought in Sherwood who as everyone knows has no experience so I hope we keep with him otherwise why didnt levy bring in someone like hoddle if we were bringing in a guy just to manage for the rest of the season. I think even hoddle came out publicly saying he would of taken the job!
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you needed someone who could go back to the basics, which had clearly gone out the window under AVB. from what i could see anyway Sherwood was meant to be that man, stabilising the club for a more high profile appointment in the summer
posted on 18/3/14
Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
Harry's leaving was entirely Harry's own fault as I have pointed out on many occasions on here!
Sherwood was the least cost option for the club. If he succeeds, then it was an inspired appointment. If he fails then he will be let go with not a lot of money being paid out.
Incidentally, once AVB starts work with Zenith, I believe we stop paying him compensation!
posted on 18/3/14
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Bale's left boot (U17605)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 15 seconds ago
People are rightly saying he shouldn't have gone because we've now brought in someone who is worse.
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Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
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There were those that said AVB wasn't the right choice, and if you're one of those then it looks twice as bad for Levy knowing we might have gone for Martinez or Rodgers, who are now both doing very well with their new clubs, playing flowing attacking football (the opposite of what we had under AVB).
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Fair play
My point was though that there was nothing to suggest - while he had the same squad as Harry - that he was a poor manager. Quite the opposite imo.
posted on 18/3/14
dont click, to get in a guy with no experience to stabalise the club is crazy which i think everyone said at the time.
Genius point that sherwood was the cheapest option could be true as levy is very tight like that but I believe sherwood was given the job because he is highly rated by levy and I personally would not be surprised if he kept the job for next season.
posted on 18/3/14
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While I agree we were playing boring football I think that was more down to the playing squad either not being capable, or not knowing each other and the league well enough, to make it work.
We're crying out for discipline and some kind of order - in the last few games Eriksen has appeared all over the pitch, Walker's popped up in midfield.. it's a fackin mess and smacks of the players (led by Ade?) getting their own way because the old boss was pushing them.
We're cantering to the season's end now.. hopefully a new manager will get it to work in the way that AVB was trying to do, and Sherwood is incapable of.
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I actually can't disagree with any of that! We're a mess right now, there's no denying it.
Just want to go into games with hope / excitement again.
posted on 18/3/14
Just want to go into games with hope / excitement again.
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posted on 18/3/14
comment by Respected Ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
"There's clearly something about the guy that prompts big clubs (or clubs with big budgets, as in Zenit's case) to appoint him. "
Media hype calling him the next Mourinho
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Spot on.
Would have had to have been a manager of Alan shearer or Les Reed proportions to have not won the Portuguese league with falcao, hulk and moutinho in the team. The league was so easy he was actually able to try and win the Europa league.
Got to Chelsea and it all started to unravel. It was generally accepted that the Chelsea old guard got him the sack with some sort of munity, and to be honest I believed it......
But if that's the case, what happened at Spurs? No longer had monkey boy to dig us out of a hole? The only problem players were ade and BAE, so is he only good in an all-signing, all-dancing dressing room? Can't always be someone else's fault when he fails.
Probably took the job based on hulk not leaving as he should be able to win games on his own.
posted on 18/3/14
NotSoMagicJuande (U1913), I actually disagree and think sherwood has been trying out different players in different positions to see how the team gel.
Yes it has looked a mess but for the first time although we lost I thought we played very well as a team against arsenal and I do have hope that sherwood is starting to know how to play and where best to put the players.
Although we have nothing to play for now it will be interesting how the performances go from now til the end of the season.
It is very easy to come on here and say sherwood is out of his depth blah blah but I dont blame him for playing players in different positions etc and trying out different formations. It was always going to be a learning curve for him.
What proved to me on Sunday was that he hasnt lost the dressing room, the players seem to be behind him.
posted on 18/3/14
Would have had to have been a manager of Alan shearer or Les Reed proportions to have not won the Portuguese league with falcao, hulk and moutinho in the team.
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To be fair he won it unbeaten.
The problem players stayed, and the good ones left. It's not rocket science to compare the squad Harry had when we got CL and the squad AVB got fired with and see why he may have struggled to get us playing well.
posted on 18/3/14
Burghandy - at risk of contradicting myself, I do agree to some extent. Against arsenal was a very good performance. I haven't given up all hope of Tim doing well! It's just a strange situation, in that hardly anyone expected a win against arsenal - that's what it's become and that's what worries me.
I'd love Tim to turn it around, I'd love anyone to! Just a bit of a mess of a season.
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posted 13 minutes ago
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posted 14 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 15 seconds ago
People are rightly saying he shouldn't have gone because we've now brought in someone who is worse.
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Funny how we didn't have this after Harry left.
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There were those that said AVB wasn't the right choice, and if you're one of those then it looks twice as bad for Levy knowing we might have gone for Martinez or Rodgers, who are now both doing very well with their new clubs, playing flowing attacking football (the opposite of what we had under AVB).
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Fair play
My point was though that there was nothing to suggest - while he had the same squad as Harry - that he was a poor manager. Quite the opposite imo.
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Oh I thought that after the first season that he was doing a good job, and still maintain we should have kept him for longer. So no real arguments from me.
posted on 18/3/14
Glad he's not gone to a proper team with a decent fanbase.
Wouldn't wish this guy on anyone (well, maybe Arsenal).
Hiring AVB was Levy's biggest mistake yet. Had we got Rodgers/Martinez we would be sitting pretty now
posted on 18/3/14
Some really strange and unfair views. At Porto he won everything they could have and people suggesting it doesn't count because of the players he had. When did it become easy to go a season unbeaten with or without good players?
He was brought in at Chelsea and asked to fix an ageing team. His mistake was trying to do so quickly. It is hard enough to have authority over the old guard considering youre similar age and they've won almost everything let alone when you leave them out of games.
At Tottenham he got the highest points total ever and win percentage as a manager. Adebayor is a c*nt for not trying all the time and only when it suits him. This season wasnt great performance wise but we were 3 points off 2nd and in all competitions. Plus considering we lost a brilliant player in Bale and brought in 7 new ones from different countries then he should of got the full season.
Its a difficult task and considering all of that, a lot of the fans were expecting too much in achieving 4th as if it's a right. We are not a big European club to expect wins weekly and champions league yearly. I thought AVB was brought to be given a chance to rebuild a team and the important thing was improving our away games and defensive record. This was at the expense of attacking football which i think would have come after stability and gelling. Anyway, good luck to him. Never should have got Sherwood.
posted on 18/3/14
NotSoMagicJuande your right it is a strange situation we are in.
Im now backing Tim but again I wouldnt be surprise if Levy gets rid of him in the summer!
I just dont think the club needs a massive overhaul and by bringing in a new manger its all going to be all change again.
I think most spurs fans agree that we need a new left back and a centre half and thats it.
posted on 18/3/14
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 3 minutes ago
Some really strange and unfair views. At Porto he won everything they could have and people suggesting it doesn't count because of the players he had. When did it become easy to go a season unbeaten with or without good players?
He was brought in at Chelsea and asked to fix an ageing team. His mistake was trying to do so quickly. It is hard enough to have authority over the old guard considering youre similar age and they've won almost everything let alone when you leave them out of games.
At Tottenham he got the highest points total ever and win percentage as a manager. Adebayor is a c*nt for not trying all the time and only when it suits him. This season wasnt great performance wise but we were 3 points off 2nd and in all competitions. Plus considering we lost a brilliant player in Bale and brought in 7 new ones from different countries then he should of got the full season.
Its a difficult task and considering all of that, a lot of the fans were expecting too much in achieving 4th as if it's a right. We are not a big European club to expect wins weekly and champions league yearly. I thought AVB was brought to be given a chance to rebuild a team and the important thing was improving our away games and defensive record. This was at the expense of attacking football which i think would have come after stability and gelling. Anyway, good luck to him. Never should have got Sherwood.
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Agree entirely, well put
posted on 18/3/14
Agree Burgandy, the last thing we need is a load more players. I'll be furious if we buy many more this summer. Just want some consistency...
posted on 18/3/14
Just had a look at the table when AVB was sacked.
We were 7th and 5 points of 4th.
We had 27 points from 16 games
We had just 15 goals from 16 games
We had a -6 goal difference
We had just been spanked 5-0 by Liverpool
We had a top quality centre forward training with the kids
AVB was awful. Worst football I've seen at Spurs. The results were decent last season thanks to Bale. Sure AVB helped improve Bale, but the amount of ridiculous winning goals Bale scored is down to his brilliance and not AVB's tactics.
Good riddance
posted on 18/3/14
He did leave us in all cup competitions though with a 100% record. And in a way I think that was part of the problem, him caring as much or more about the cup competitions as the league.
posted on 18/3/14
Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you
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Stats are meaningless without context.
Like your claim that "AVB was awful" - pretty meaningless.
posted on 18/3/14
AVB was too stubborn in his convictions but there was nothing he'd shown in England to back them up.
posted on 18/3/14
Just to qualify that above comment:
I'm not condoning ade's shocking attitude, and he can go in the summer as far as I'm concerned.
posted on 18/3/14
Average
very
Boring
posted on 18/3/14
simple question, what has AVB actually accomplished in his managerial career? because it seems to me his whole reputation is based on 1 season where he managed to dominate a 2 horse race with the strongest squad in the League
as i said, should have set his sights lower after the Spurs debacle and looked for a long term project at a smaller club
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