what has AVB actually accomplished in his managerial career?
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An unbeaten season with Porto, including both domestic cups and the Europa league.
That aside, what had Rodgers won when he took over at Liverpool.. Mourinho before he took over at Porto..?
Porto are actually in the luxury position of being able to take the Europa League seriously though and as i said above, i don't think it's the mark of a great manager who's able to dominate a weak league with a team who normally wins it anyway and with players like Hulk, Moutinho and Falcao
Maybe it's not the mark of a great manager.. doesn't mean AVB isn't though.
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything, haven't seen anything to make me think he's particularly special
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything, haven't seen anything to make me think he's particularly special
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So do you think we're in a better position with Sherwood than we would have been with AVB?
If you do, then I think you're completely mistaken.
People have an entrenched dislike for AVB, probably because of his dour personality but more likely because of the way he's portrayed in the press.
You dismiss his achievements in the Portuguese league and then dismiss his achievements in Europe on the basis that he was in an easy league. Quite astonishing.
dont click
The vast majority of managers out there aren't "proven" then, in fact by your criteria SAF was largely unproven.
I think he has Gareth Bale to thank for a flattering record. The fact remains we played some awful football under him, bad signings were made on his watch and we got rid of a few that I would have considered better than we signed... Huddlestone for instance. A lot of the blame sits with Levy and Baldini, sure, but AVB is more responsible for our downfall.
comment by don't click (U14639)
posted 35 minutes ago
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything,
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well he has though. he has proven far more than say a Harry Redknapp has done. redknapp did a better job at spurs than avb did, but in his whole career harrys top prize is an fa cup, whereas AVB's is a Uefa cup.
so unless you are going to tell me that redknapp is also not a proven manager, then it doesn't make sense for anyone to label avb as unproven.
unproven in England would be more of a case, but even that is not so, as a record points haul for a club you manage in the prem era, points to him at least having something about him.
AVB did some very good things at spurs - he definitely sorted us out away from home (something redknapp started), and he also guided us to some very good victories.
overall not as good as I wanted him to be, but clearly "proven"
AVB is more responsible for our downfall.
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Absolutely unbelievable!
What "downfall" are you referring to?
We were 5th in the league when he was sacked and we were still in all cup competitions.
Furthermore, I think people are overstating his influence on transfers. AVB was a "Head Coach" not a manager. Levy & Baldini chose the players, of that I have now doubt.
I feel sorry for avb that he didn't get any of the players he really wanted
moutinho, willian, villa
Man I feel sorry for us that we didn't get those players.
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Carried by Bale last season, we finished lower than the previous season and would've finished about 7th or 8th if not for GB. We were awful second half of last season, carried that into this season & couldn't eeverse it - ugly style, grinding wins, humiliating defeats, ridiculous high line, isolating the only striker he had that could play in his system.
Sorry but how AVB keeps getting these big jobs is beyond me, he must give a mean presentation. I wasn't sorry to see him go, just sorry that Levy hadn't thought it trough properly and was reduced to replacing him with the janitor.
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I'm sorry, but Bale had played nowhere near his potential under Harry, apart from during the CL campaign and fleeting glimpses of it otherwise. I still maintain AVB deserves credit for turning Bale from a clearly talented but inconsistent performer into a game-changing player
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Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
He did call her Alba Violet Bale
Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
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not really. who said it did?
think people were just stating facts, bale played his best football under AVB.
that is simply a fact
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
The reason he keeps getting highly paid jobs is because he talks a bunch of jargon in meetings with owners desperate for a 'young, hungry, visionary' with a project to implement.
Truth is though - nobody in any of the top European leagues wanted him - so he's ended up in the failed manager's home that is the Russian League where guys like Luciano Spaletti and funnily enough, former Spurs boss Juande Ramos ended up.
Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
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not really. who said it did?
think people were just stating facts, bale played his best football under AVB.
that is simply a fact
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To be honest, footballers generally get better as they get older. It's called maturity.
It's not like he was crap before AVB came. Didn't he win PFA POTY when Harry was in charge?
Stop forcing it, its cringing.
comment by KroosKontrol (U19340)
posted 4 minutes ago
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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maybe so. but does that mean he isn't a proven manager?
there are not only 6 teams in the league
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by KroosKontrol (U19340)
posted 4 minutes ago
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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maybe so. but does that mean he isn't a proven manager?
there are not only 6 teams in the league
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Eh?
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
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what does that have to do with anything though?
(and there have been loads of worse coaches !)
KroosKontrol, AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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So AVB is not as good as Fergie, Mourinho, Wenger, Pelligrini (backed by fortunes) and this makes him a useless manager?
I think you're allowing your personal dislike for AVB to cloud your judgement and make ridiculous statements
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posted 1 minute ago
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
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what does that have to do with anything though?
(and there have been loads of worse coaches !)
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It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
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ok. maybe you can join back in the discussion when you actually have a clue what you are talking about, as you don't seem to as things stand
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It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
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ok. maybe you can join back in the discussion when you actually have a clue what you are talking about, as you don't seem to as things stand
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Not even gonna lie to you mate, you're having an absolute mare on this one. I made a comment about AVB being a bad coach, which largely contradicted those who were playing up his coaching methods and how he helped to coach Gareth Bale into a top player. Not rocket science.
I'm sorry that you've found it difficult getting your head around that though. Maybe you could do with a glass of water? Or go walk the dog for some fresh air.
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posted on 18/3/14
what has AVB actually accomplished in his managerial career?
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An unbeaten season with Porto, including both domestic cups and the Europa league.
That aside, what had Rodgers won when he took over at Liverpool.. Mourinho before he took over at Porto..?
posted on 18/3/14
Porto are actually in the luxury position of being able to take the Europa League seriously though and as i said above, i don't think it's the mark of a great manager who's able to dominate a weak league with a team who normally wins it anyway and with players like Hulk, Moutinho and Falcao
posted on 18/3/14
Maybe it's not the mark of a great manager.. doesn't mean AVB isn't though.
posted on 18/3/14
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything, haven't seen anything to make me think he's particularly special
posted on 18/3/14
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything, haven't seen anything to make me think he's particularly special
-------------------------------------------------------
So do you think we're in a better position with Sherwood than we would have been with AVB?
If you do, then I think you're completely mistaken.
People have an entrenched dislike for AVB, probably because of his dour personality but more likely because of the way he's portrayed in the press.
You dismiss his achievements in the Portuguese league and then dismiss his achievements in Europe on the basis that he was in an easy league. Quite astonishing.
posted on 18/3/14
dont click
The vast majority of managers out there aren't "proven" then, in fact by your criteria SAF was largely unproven.
posted on 18/3/14
I think he has Gareth Bale to thank for a flattering record. The fact remains we played some awful football under him, bad signings were made on his watch and we got rid of a few that I would have considered better than we signed... Huddlestone for instance. A lot of the blame sits with Levy and Baldini, sure, but AVB is more responsible for our downfall.
posted on 18/3/14
comment by don't click (U14639)
posted 35 minutes ago
for me anyway the issue is he hasn't really proven anything,
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well he has though. he has proven far more than say a Harry Redknapp has done. redknapp did a better job at spurs than avb did, but in his whole career harrys top prize is an fa cup, whereas AVB's is a Uefa cup.
so unless you are going to tell me that redknapp is also not a proven manager, then it doesn't make sense for anyone to label avb as unproven.
unproven in England would be more of a case, but even that is not so, as a record points haul for a club you manage in the prem era, points to him at least having something about him.
AVB did some very good things at spurs - he definitely sorted us out away from home (something redknapp started), and he also guided us to some very good victories.
overall not as good as I wanted him to be, but clearly "proven"
posted on 18/3/14
AVB is more responsible for our downfall.
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Absolutely unbelievable!
What "downfall" are you referring to?
We were 5th in the league when he was sacked and we were still in all cup competitions.
Furthermore, I think people are overstating his influence on transfers. AVB was a "Head Coach" not a manager. Levy & Baldini chose the players, of that I have now doubt.
posted on 18/3/14
I feel sorry for avb that he didn't get any of the players he really wanted
moutinho, willian, villa
posted on 18/3/14
Man I feel sorry for us that we didn't get those players.
posted on 18/3/14
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posted on 18/3/14
Admiral Edin
posted on 18/3/14
Carried by Bale last season, we finished lower than the previous season and would've finished about 7th or 8th if not for GB. We were awful second half of last season, carried that into this season & couldn't eeverse it - ugly style, grinding wins, humiliating defeats, ridiculous high line, isolating the only striker he had that could play in his system.
Sorry but how AVB keeps getting these big jobs is beyond me, he must give a mean presentation. I wasn't sorry to see him go, just sorry that Levy hadn't thought it trough properly and was reduced to replacing him with the janitor.
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I'm sorry, but Bale had played nowhere near his potential under Harry, apart from during the CL campaign and fleeting glimpses of it otherwise. I still maintain AVB deserves credit for turning Bale from a clearly talented but inconsistent performer into a game-changing player
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Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
posted on 18/3/14
He did call her Alba Violet Bale
posted on 18/3/14
Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
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not really. who said it did?
think people were just stating facts, bale played his best football under AVB.
that is simply a fact
posted on 18/3/14
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
The reason he keeps getting highly paid jobs is because he talks a bunch of jargon in meetings with owners desperate for a 'young, hungry, visionary' with a project to implement.
Truth is though - nobody in any of the top European leagues wanted him - so he's ended up in the failed manager's home that is the Russian League where guys like Luciano Spaletti and funnily enough, former Spurs boss Juande Ramos ended up.
posted on 18/3/14
Does it really take a genius to put Gareth Bale in the bleedin middle of the pitch behind the striker? I think people are forcing the role AVB played in Bale's development here
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not really. who said it did?
think people were just stating facts, bale played his best football under AVB.
that is simply a fact
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To be honest, footballers generally get better as they get older. It's called maturity.
It's not like he was crap before AVB came. Didn't he win PFA POTY when Harry was in charge?
Stop forcing it, its cringing.
posted on 18/3/14
comment by KroosKontrol (U19340)
posted 4 minutes ago
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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maybe so. but does that mean he isn't a proven manager?
there are not only 6 teams in the league
posted on 18/3/14
comment by Chronic - They can't stop em the boys from Tottenham the boys from White hart lane, HEY, Spurs are on their way to Turin, Tottenham's gonna do it again (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KroosKontrol (U19340)
posted 4 minutes ago
AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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maybe so. but does that mean he isn't a proven manager?
there are not only 6 teams in the league
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Eh?
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
posted on 18/3/14
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
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what does that have to do with anything though?
(and there have been loads of worse coaches !)
posted on 18/3/14
KroosKontrol, AVB is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen manage a top 6 club.
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So AVB is not as good as Fergie, Mourinho, Wenger, Pelligrini (backed by fortunes) and this makes him a useless manager?
I think you're allowing your personal dislike for AVB to cloud your judgement and make ridiculous statements
posted on 18/3/14
comment by Chronic - They can't stop em the boys from Tottenham the boys from White hart lane, HEY, Spurs are on their way to Turin, Tottenham's gonna do it again (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
I am simply stating that of teams usually considered to be in the top 6 (the better clubs in the PL) he is the worst coach I have seen at any of those clubs that I can recall.
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what does that have to do with anything though?
(and there have been loads of worse coaches !)
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It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
posted on 18/3/14
It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
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ok. maybe you can join back in the discussion when you actually have a clue what you are talking about, as you don't seem to as things stand
posted on 18/3/14
comment by Chronic - They can't stop em the boys from Tottenham the boys from White hart lane, HEY, Spurs are on their way to Turin, Tottenham's gonna do it again (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
It has something to do with the fact this thread is devoted to discussing AVB and his credentials. Surely you knew this?
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ok. maybe you can join back in the discussion when you actually have a clue what you are talking about, as you don't seem to as things stand
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Not even gonna lie to you mate, you're having an absolute mare on this one. I made a comment about AVB being a bad coach, which largely contradicted those who were playing up his coaching methods and how he helped to coach Gareth Bale into a top player. Not rocket science.
I'm sorry that you've found it difficult getting your head around that though. Maybe you could do with a glass of water? Or go walk the dog for some fresh air.
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