comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 32 seconds ago
A salary cap will not work unless it is done globally. Players will just emigrate to where they can make the most money.
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Sod it, we'll have a competitive league worth watching. The SPL and Ligue1 are a farce and audiences are smart enough to know it, and turn off.
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People will switch off- I mean audiences from outside the UK. Look what happened to Italy.
F1 and NFL are both closed markets, you can't compare them at all.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
Football is heading towards a European Super League, I am convinced of it.
FFP demonstrated how scared UEFA were of the owners of the biggest football clubs.
Look what happened to Italy.
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You mean after the massive corruption that saw the most iconic club in Italy demoted, players arrested, and rendered any result in the last few years dubious?
Great example.
Yeah, Taraabt is playing for Milan.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
F1 and NFL are both closed markets, you can't compare them at all.
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NFL you certainly can when it comes to the salary cap argument. They use a similar system in the MLS to restrict the amount of top earners.
I'm not saying it's as simple as "100m each" - but there are certainly financial restrictions that could be put in place to even the playing field.
Which in turn would produce a more competitive league that more people would want to watch.
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 17 seconds ago
Look what happened to Italy.
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You mean after the massive corruption that saw the most iconic club in Italy demoted, players arrested, and rendered any result in the last few years dubious?
Great example.
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No I mean after a disastrous attitude to finance and failure to modernise, because they were that rooted in their own culture.
If England has a salary cap, it will only go downwards, as either the richest clubs buy 50 players or the top clubs in other leagues hoover up all the players by offering them deals above the salary cap.
The Italian match-fixing scandal is something that people have not actually read into enough, sadly no one praises the work done in actually uncovering it. And secondly, matches were not actually fixed- it was about lobbying for favourable referees.
The decline of Serie A is about a failure to modernise, not match-fixing, although this is an argument for another day.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, Taraabt is playing for Milan.
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Says he wants to be the Messi of Milan.
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The Number 4 Shirt
With all due respect the data you are referring to is not ‘current.’
While the sentiment that you have backed up your point of view with ‘logic’ may be up for debate, as the most up to date version of the FFP and Club Licensing has not yet been published your views are certainly not based on “evidence” and are subjective at best.
And their owners tightening the purse strings.
People talk about that legendary Milan side, but it was the legendary Silvio that funded that team.
It's double standards, really, because people don't give Chelsea's great teams the same credit even though their success was acquired in a similar fashion - Milan have a good history and Silvio is hilarious, so that's probably why.
Taraabt is a crack up. As much as I love Serie A it does say a lot about it's current standing that he's doing well for Milan.
If England has a salary cap, it will only go downwards, as either the richest clubs buy 50 players or the top clubs in other leagues hoover up all the players by offering them deals above the salary cap.
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Fair enough if that's your opinion but there's nothing to back that up, we haven't got an example to base it on.
Besides, FFP is a UEFA ruling, why are we assuming a salary cap would be restricted to the PL?
Also, any cap would have to be within the current spending of top clubs, you'd just freeze it for a few years at least to give the others a chance to catch up.
Salary caps in rugby and its still watched globally
Do rugby players go to France to earn more though Edin?
"NFL you certainly can when it comes to the salary cap argument. They use a similar system in the MLS to restrict the amount of top earners. "
And they are both closed markets, the NFL is run by the franchises and the MLS has very strict rules on foreign players allowed, which would contravene EU law. Both of them are effectively single entities, which is not the case with football in Europe.
The salary cap doesn't create the fair playing field as such unless you couple it with the draft and the way the money is allocated.
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve, but it is nothing like F1 or NFL if you think it will reduce disparity without taking the other factors into consideration.
If a footballer is offered £100,000 per week maximum in England, but £250,000 elsewhere such as Spain, Germany etc then that will play a massive part in his decision.
Look how many players went to Anzhi, in the middle of nowhere, just because the money was great at the time.
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve
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fack all unless it was done by UEFA.
You're assuming (no idea why) that it'd be restricted to the PL and - by the sounds of your comments at least - substantially lower than existing wage budgets.
I see no reason for either assumption to be accurate.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Salary caps in rugby and its still watched globally
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But are the salary caps implemented on a global basis, or individual basis?
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 54 seconds ago
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve
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fack all unless it was done by UEFA.
You're assuming (no idea why) that it'd be restricted to the PL and - by the sounds of your comments at least - substantially lower than existing wage budgets.
I see no reason for either assumption to be accurate.
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I only said England, because you said you wouldn't care about Ligue 1 for example- you wanted a competitive league.
Technically the US system is different - there are always differences, but the reason behind their financial rules is to ensure competitiveness. That's what we all want, right?
I only said England, because you said you wouldn't care about Ligue 1 for example- you wanted a competitive league.
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Fair play. There's a lot going on here tbf
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 11 seconds ago
Technically the US system is different - there are always differences, but the reason behind their financial rules is to ensure competitiveness. That's what we all want, right?
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Absolutely. FFP doesn't bring about competitiveness though.
I'm off for my lunch now. Been a good debate.
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posted on 15/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Marcelino (U6171)
posted 32 seconds ago
A salary cap will not work unless it is done globally. Players will just emigrate to where they can make the most money.
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Sod it, we'll have a competitive league worth watching. The SPL and Ligue1 are a farce and audiences are smart enough to know it, and turn off.
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People will switch off- I mean audiences from outside the UK. Look what happened to Italy.
posted on 15/4/14
F1 and NFL are both closed markets, you can't compare them at all.
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted on 15/4/14
Football is heading towards a European Super League, I am convinced of it.
FFP demonstrated how scared UEFA were of the owners of the biggest football clubs.
posted on 15/4/14
Look what happened to Italy.
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You mean after the massive corruption that saw the most iconic club in Italy demoted, players arrested, and rendered any result in the last few years dubious?
Great example.
posted on 15/4/14
Yeah, Taraabt is playing for Milan.
posted on 15/4/14
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
F1 and NFL are both closed markets, you can't compare them at all.
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NFL you certainly can when it comes to the salary cap argument. They use a similar system in the MLS to restrict the amount of top earners.
I'm not saying it's as simple as "100m each" - but there are certainly financial restrictions that could be put in place to even the playing field.
Which in turn would produce a more competitive league that more people would want to watch.
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 17 seconds ago
Look what happened to Italy.
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You mean after the massive corruption that saw the most iconic club in Italy demoted, players arrested, and rendered any result in the last few years dubious?
Great example.
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No I mean after a disastrous attitude to finance and failure to modernise, because they were that rooted in their own culture.
If England has a salary cap, it will only go downwards, as either the richest clubs buy 50 players or the top clubs in other leagues hoover up all the players by offering them deals above the salary cap.
The Italian match-fixing scandal is something that people have not actually read into enough, sadly no one praises the work done in actually uncovering it. And secondly, matches were not actually fixed- it was about lobbying for favourable referees.
The decline of Serie A is about a failure to modernise, not match-fixing, although this is an argument for another day.
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yeah, Taraabt is playing for Milan.
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Says he wants to be the Messi of Milan.
posted on 15/4/14
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posted on 15/4/14
The Number 4 Shirt
With all due respect the data you are referring to is not ‘current.’
While the sentiment that you have backed up your point of view with ‘logic’ may be up for debate, as the most up to date version of the FFP and Club Licensing has not yet been published your views are certainly not based on “evidence” and are subjective at best.
posted on 15/4/14
And their owners tightening the purse strings.
People talk about that legendary Milan side, but it was the legendary Silvio that funded that team.
It's double standards, really, because people don't give Chelsea's great teams the same credit even though their success was acquired in a similar fashion - Milan have a good history and Silvio is hilarious, so that's probably why.
posted on 15/4/14
Taraabt is a crack up. As much as I love Serie A it does say a lot about it's current standing that he's doing well for Milan.
posted on 15/4/14
If England has a salary cap, it will only go downwards, as either the richest clubs buy 50 players or the top clubs in other leagues hoover up all the players by offering them deals above the salary cap.
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Fair enough if that's your opinion but there's nothing to back that up, we haven't got an example to base it on.
Besides, FFP is a UEFA ruling, why are we assuming a salary cap would be restricted to the PL?
Also, any cap would have to be within the current spending of top clubs, you'd just freeze it for a few years at least to give the others a chance to catch up.
posted on 15/4/14
Salary caps in rugby and its still watched globally
posted on 15/4/14
Do rugby players go to France to earn more though Edin?
posted on 15/4/14
"NFL you certainly can when it comes to the salary cap argument. They use a similar system in the MLS to restrict the amount of top earners. "
And they are both closed markets, the NFL is run by the franchises and the MLS has very strict rules on foreign players allowed, which would contravene EU law. Both of them are effectively single entities, which is not the case with football in Europe.
The salary cap doesn't create the fair playing field as such unless you couple it with the draft and the way the money is allocated.
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve, but it is nothing like F1 or NFL if you think it will reduce disparity without taking the other factors into consideration.
posted on 15/4/14
If a footballer is offered £100,000 per week maximum in England, but £250,000 elsewhere such as Spain, Germany etc then that will play a massive part in his decision.
Look how many players went to Anzhi, in the middle of nowhere, just because the money was great at the time.
posted on 15/4/14
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve
----
fack all unless it was done by UEFA.
You're assuming (no idea why) that it'd be restricted to the PL and - by the sounds of your comments at least - substantially lower than existing wage budgets.
I see no reason for either assumption to be accurate.
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Salary caps in rugby and its still watched globally
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But are the salary caps implemented on a global basis, or individual basis?
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 54 seconds ago
I don't get what you think a salary cap within the PL would achieve
----
fack all unless it was done by UEFA.
You're assuming (no idea why) that it'd be restricted to the PL and - by the sounds of your comments at least - substantially lower than existing wage budgets.
I see no reason for either assumption to be accurate.
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I only said England, because you said you wouldn't care about Ligue 1 for example- you wanted a competitive league.
posted on 15/4/14
Technically the US system is different - there are always differences, but the reason behind their financial rules is to ensure competitiveness. That's what we all want, right?
posted on 15/4/14
I only said England, because you said you wouldn't care about Ligue 1 for example- you wanted a competitive league.
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Fair play. There's a lot going on here tbf
posted on 15/4/14
comment by Pavlyuchenko's smile (U3582)
posted 11 seconds ago
Technically the US system is different - there are always differences, but the reason behind their financial rules is to ensure competitiveness. That's what we all want, right?
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Absolutely. FFP doesn't bring about competitiveness though.
posted on 15/4/14
I'm off for my lunch now. Been a good debate.
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