The title is very misleading and suggests a Jimmy Saville esc scenario
comment by Scribe is back (U18092)
posted 1 minute ago
The title is very misleading and suggests a Jimmy Saville esc scenario
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When David Dien left.
The FA cup win over Man U, we were lucky that day ( for once), but were were terrible.
RVP's message to the fans when he wanted out -
""I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days.
"Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."
And all the crazy selling, refusing to buy etc
The fact that he never won back to back titles says it all. Even in the great years he was frustrating and would refuse to strengthen.
Losing to a United side with Fabio, O'Shea, Gibson and Rafael in midfield must have set the alarm bells ringing?
I think at that point he probably realised he wasn't ever gonna get the better of Fergie.
When Fergie left he must have thought "thank fack for that", but then his old mate Mourinho turns up.
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comment by soccerlol (U7650)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wenger only blows it for the young lads
soccer?lol.
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What a tít.
Young lads don't have those
soccer?lol.
comment by soccerlol (U7650)
posted 3 minutes ago
Young lads don't have those
soccer?lol.
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Another moron banned
Fergie's United lost a 4-2 home lead against Moyes' Everton which cost them the title.
Difference is, he went out, bought RVP, and won the title a year later.
Wenger blew it when he sat on his arris and didn't get us a proper CF and DM in summer, instead going for Flamini and Sanogo for a combined fee of £0. He compounded that by failing to strengthen in January - don't even bother mentioning the crocked Kallstrom.
TheObservantOne
Wenger blew it with me when he sold Judas to Utd.
I think RVP was perfectly gracious and did everything he could to appease Arsenal fans. At the end of the day it's not as if he joined Spurs or Chelsea, he joined United, a team who you hadn't competed seriously with for 7 years, who he couldn't see you catching in his time left at the top and who weren't local rivals. He'd lost faith in Wenger, but still did respect him and admire him, and only ever, to this day, speaks highly of Arsenal and Arsene. His one negative to say on your club is of his treatment by the fans after he left, and I agree with him. I understand the feelings of frustration, but it's too simplistic to just blame van Persie and that's all. Blame the people who got him thinking he was wasting his only chance to win things in his football career, Wenger, his coaches and the board.
Being brutally honest, I think the fans vulgar abuse of him has damaged the image of Arsenal far more than him leaving to win the premier league with United. If you played for Valencia, and were a world class footballer in van Persie's position, and Barcelona wanted to buy you, you'd move after all.
FOR 99% OF PEOPLE IT WAS THIS YEAR, IN FACT, THESE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
HONESTLY, I DONT KNOW WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE DIGGING BACK SO DEEP IN TO THE PAST TO TRY AND CONVINCE US THAT THEY WANTED WENGER OUT, WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT THEY HAVE STOOD BLINDLY BY HIM REGARDLESS OF ALL THE EVENTS LISTED UP UNTIL THIS SEASON.
FOR ME THE LOWEST POINT WAS LOSING TO BRADFORD. ALSO I HAVE A TEXT ON MY PHONE TO MY BROTHER WHEN WE WERE 3 NIL DOWN TO READING SAYING THAT ITS TIME FOR WENGER TO GO... REAL SHAME TBH.
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, IM JUST STILL SO HAPPY THAT WE'RE IN THE FA CUP FINAL!
comment by The Number 4 Shirt. (U19487)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I think RVP was perfectly gracious and did everything he could to appease Arsenal fans. At the end of the day it's not as if he joined Spurs or Chelsea, he joined United, a team who you hadn't competed seriously with for 7 years, who he couldn't see you catching in his time left at the top and who weren't local rivals. He'd lost faith in Wenger, but still did respect him and admire him, and only ever, to this day, speaks highly of Arsenal and Arsene. His one negative to say on your club is of his treatment by the fans after he left, and I agree with him. I understand the feelings of frustration, but it's too simplistic to just blame van Persie and that's all. Blame the people who got him thinking he was wasting his only chance to win things in his football career, Wenger, his coaches and the board.
Being brutally honest, I think the fans vulgar abuse of him has damaged the image of Arsenal far more than him leaving to win the premier league with United. If you played for Valencia, and were a world class footballer in van Persie's position, and Barcelona wanted to buy you, you'd move after all.
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Agreed
The first serious belief in Wenger's inability was strangely enough when we last won a trophy. The 2005 F.A. Cup Final was a symbolic tactical disaster. How we managed to win that game I don't know. If that was what Wenger was claiming to be his defensive strategy then good help us.
Then that summer he said what he would continue to say what he'd been saying from about 2 previous seasons before, that he knew where we had gone wrong in the previous season and that he was going to seriously strengthen the teamin the summer. Did he hell. By 2008 (with the annual depletion of the squad, the empty promises, his constant BS, lies and excuses, his blatant disregard for silverware, and so on, and so on....) I had enough of him and wanted him out !
Very strange reasoning from most, especially the ones citing individual match results. An AKB could easily do the same thing picking out good results instead. This is football everyone can lose or take a beating.
As someone who wants Wenger to stay, my main frustration was not buying a striker, it's as simple as that. It was the difference between the title and where we are now imo. Only due to injuries though if we hadn't lost theo and Ramsey long term the league would have been ours. Ramsey makes Giroud into a world beater. What I don't get though is that it was clear Wenger was desperate for a striker he said we were short up front many a time during the transfer window. Did it ever cross your minds that he was as frustrated as anyone about not getting a striker in Jan? Who was avaliable? One of my mates wants him to go because we didn't buy Costa why not Messi while we are at it. People live in a football manager fantasy sometimes.
The problem with the responses here though is that they are completely one sided you are choosing to ignore superb transfer activity like Ozil and focus just on the bad which was not to buy a striker.
For me, the van persie to United thing was the most humiliating thing Wenger has done
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/264501
why was this closed to comments...?
Best valuation of Rosicky i've seen on here OP...
07/08 - Sellling Hleb and allowing Flamini to leave over 10-15k or whatever it was he wanted..
Just didn't seem right allowing 2 players who had settled and gave the team flow to leave when we were actually challenging for the title for 1st time in yrs.
Things rapidly declined, and I've always had simmers of hatred for Wenger and the club since.
An AKB could easily do the same thing picking out good results instead. This is football everyone can lose or take a beating.
This is true to a point but any top manager can WIN a game but no top manager consistently loses big games in such a manner as Arsene,
for example i changed my thoughts on him when spurs got 5 past us,it was enough to spur them on to lift the MM cup and enough for there belief to lift and finally beat us in the league,
the tide was changing,not like at CFC with Maureen smashing our indian sign over them,this was different as it seemed like they were on the up while we stood still,
thank goodness they were still so poor that a stagnated AFC is a point or so better than a rampant spurs or we would have a lot more to complain about and he'd prob be long gone already.
While i was airing at this time my views on Wenger AKBs would reply
"its the board,theres no money,its the oil clubs"
Now all there excuses have been voided the majority want him out or want him to change,they will join the mass of the out group because he will never change,
they do say never say never,
well im saying never.
ignore the 2nd belief to lift,copy paste error
The Number 4 Shirt
But we showed loyalty with him for 8 years through his injuries then 1 good season and he wants out ASAP he's a prik mate and I wish him the worst.
Sorry moving to Utd is disgusting. Moving to Utd is worse than moving to Chelsea.
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posted on 18/4/14
The title is very misleading and suggests a Jimmy Saville esc scenario
posted on 18/4/14
comment by Scribe is back (U18092)
posted 1 minute ago
The title is very misleading and suggests a Jimmy Saville esc scenario
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posted on 18/4/14
When David Dien left.
The FA cup win over Man U, we were lucky that day ( for once), but were were terrible.
RVP's message to the fans when he wanted out -
""I personally have had a great season but my goal has been to win trophies with the team and to bring the club back to its glory days.
"Out of my huge respect for Mr Wenger, the players and the fans I don't want to go into any details, but unfortunately in this meeting it has again become clear to me that we in many aspects disagree on the way Arsenal FC should move forward."
And all the crazy selling, refusing to buy etc
The fact that he never won back to back titles says it all. Even in the great years he was frustrating and would refuse to strengthen.
posted on 18/4/14
Losing to a United side with Fabio, O'Shea, Gibson and Rafael in midfield must have set the alarm bells ringing?
I think at that point he probably realised he wasn't ever gonna get the better of Fergie.
When Fergie left he must have thought "thank fack for that", but then his old mate Mourinho turns up.
posted on 18/4/14
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posted on 18/4/14
comment by soccerlol (U7650)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wenger only blows it for the young lads
soccer?lol.
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What a tít.
posted on 18/4/14
Young lads don't have those
soccer?lol.
posted on 18/4/14
comment by soccerlol (U7650)
posted 3 minutes ago
Young lads don't have those
soccer?lol.
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Another moron banned
posted on 18/4/14
What a tool.
posted on 18/4/14
Fergie's United lost a 4-2 home lead against Moyes' Everton which cost them the title.
Difference is, he went out, bought RVP, and won the title a year later.
Wenger blew it when he sat on his arris and didn't get us a proper CF and DM in summer, instead going for Flamini and Sanogo for a combined fee of £0. He compounded that by failing to strengthen in January - don't even bother mentioning the crocked Kallstrom.
posted on 19/4/14
TheObservantOne
Wenger blew it with me when he sold Judas to Utd.
posted on 19/4/14
I think RVP was perfectly gracious and did everything he could to appease Arsenal fans. At the end of the day it's not as if he joined Spurs or Chelsea, he joined United, a team who you hadn't competed seriously with for 7 years, who he couldn't see you catching in his time left at the top and who weren't local rivals. He'd lost faith in Wenger, but still did respect him and admire him, and only ever, to this day, speaks highly of Arsenal and Arsene. His one negative to say on your club is of his treatment by the fans after he left, and I agree with him. I understand the feelings of frustration, but it's too simplistic to just blame van Persie and that's all. Blame the people who got him thinking he was wasting his only chance to win things in his football career, Wenger, his coaches and the board.
Being brutally honest, I think the fans vulgar abuse of him has damaged the image of Arsenal far more than him leaving to win the premier league with United. If you played for Valencia, and were a world class footballer in van Persie's position, and Barcelona wanted to buy you, you'd move after all.
posted on 19/4/14
FOR 99% OF PEOPLE IT WAS THIS YEAR, IN FACT, THESE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.
HONESTLY, I DONT KNOW WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE DIGGING BACK SO DEEP IN TO THE PAST TO TRY AND CONVINCE US THAT THEY WANTED WENGER OUT, WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT THEY HAVE STOOD BLINDLY BY HIM REGARDLESS OF ALL THE EVENTS LISTED UP UNTIL THIS SEASON.
FOR ME THE LOWEST POINT WAS LOSING TO BRADFORD. ALSO I HAVE A TEXT ON MY PHONE TO MY BROTHER WHEN WE WERE 3 NIL DOWN TO READING SAYING THAT ITS TIME FOR WENGER TO GO... REAL SHAME TBH.
SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS, IM JUST STILL SO HAPPY THAT WE'RE IN THE FA CUP FINAL!
posted on 19/4/14
LOUD NOISES!
posted on 19/4/14
comment by The Number 4 Shirt. (U19487)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
I think RVP was perfectly gracious and did everything he could to appease Arsenal fans. At the end of the day it's not as if he joined Spurs or Chelsea, he joined United, a team who you hadn't competed seriously with for 7 years, who he couldn't see you catching in his time left at the top and who weren't local rivals. He'd lost faith in Wenger, but still did respect him and admire him, and only ever, to this day, speaks highly of Arsenal and Arsene. His one negative to say on your club is of his treatment by the fans after he left, and I agree with him. I understand the feelings of frustration, but it's too simplistic to just blame van Persie and that's all. Blame the people who got him thinking he was wasting his only chance to win things in his football career, Wenger, his coaches and the board.
Being brutally honest, I think the fans vulgar abuse of him has damaged the image of Arsenal far more than him leaving to win the premier league with United. If you played for Valencia, and were a world class footballer in van Persie's position, and Barcelona wanted to buy you, you'd move after all.
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Agreed
posted on 19/4/14
The first serious belief in Wenger's inability was strangely enough when we last won a trophy. The 2005 F.A. Cup Final was a symbolic tactical disaster. How we managed to win that game I don't know. If that was what Wenger was claiming to be his defensive strategy then good help us.
Then that summer he said what he would continue to say what he'd been saying from about 2 previous seasons before, that he knew where we had gone wrong in the previous season and that he was going to seriously strengthen the teamin the summer. Did he hell. By 2008 (with the annual depletion of the squad, the empty promises, his constant BS, lies and excuses, his blatant disregard for silverware, and so on, and so on....) I had enough of him and wanted him out !
posted on 19/4/14
Very strange reasoning from most, especially the ones citing individual match results. An AKB could easily do the same thing picking out good results instead. This is football everyone can lose or take a beating.
As someone who wants Wenger to stay, my main frustration was not buying a striker, it's as simple as that. It was the difference between the title and where we are now imo. Only due to injuries though if we hadn't lost theo and Ramsey long term the league would have been ours. Ramsey makes Giroud into a world beater. What I don't get though is that it was clear Wenger was desperate for a striker he said we were short up front many a time during the transfer window. Did it ever cross your minds that he was as frustrated as anyone about not getting a striker in Jan? Who was avaliable? One of my mates wants him to go because we didn't buy Costa why not Messi while we are at it. People live in a football manager fantasy sometimes.
The problem with the responses here though is that they are completely one sided you are choosing to ignore superb transfer activity like Ozil and focus just on the bad which was not to buy a striker.
For me, the van persie to United thing was the most humiliating thing Wenger has done
posted on 19/4/14
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/264501
why was this closed to comments...?
Best valuation of Rosicky i've seen on here OP...
posted on 19/4/14
07/08 - Sellling Hleb and allowing Flamini to leave over 10-15k or whatever it was he wanted..
Just didn't seem right allowing 2 players who had settled and gave the team flow to leave when we were actually challenging for the title for 1st time in yrs.
Things rapidly declined, and I've always had simmers of hatred for Wenger and the club since.
posted on 19/4/14
An AKB could easily do the same thing picking out good results instead. This is football everyone can lose or take a beating.
This is true to a point but any top manager can WIN a game but no top manager consistently loses big games in such a manner as Arsene,
for example i changed my thoughts on him when spurs got 5 past us,it was enough to spur them on to lift the MM cup and enough for there belief to lift and finally beat us in the league,
the tide was changing,not like at CFC with Maureen smashing our indian sign over them,this was different as it seemed like they were on the up while we stood still,
thank goodness they were still so poor that a stagnated AFC is a point or so better than a rampant spurs or we would have a lot more to complain about and he'd prob be long gone already.
While i was airing at this time my views on Wenger AKBs would reply
"its the board,theres no money,its the oil clubs"
Now all there excuses have been voided the majority want him out or want him to change,they will join the mass of the out group because he will never change,
they do say never say never,
well im saying never.
posted on 19/4/14
ignore the 2nd belief to lift,copy paste error
posted on 19/4/14
The Number 4 Shirt
But we showed loyalty with him for 8 years through his injuries then 1 good season and he wants out ASAP he's a prik mate and I wish him the worst.
posted on 19/4/14
Sorry moving to Utd is disgusting. Moving to Utd is worse than moving to Chelsea.
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