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Neither are good enough for the positions they're required to play.
Giroud is really quite poor and worst of all is a total on and off the pitch.
Pod is better but doesn't suit our formation.
Why sell Podolski just when he seems to be hitting some form for us? For all his faults and there are many , Giroud has scored 20 goals this season. I would hang on to both until we can get players in who actually perform better than these two.
According to Wikipedia (not always reliable) Draxler has scored just 5 goals (4 in Europe) in 35 appearances while Remy has scored 13 from 25 which is a bit more encouraging.
The problem is that there is a dearth of good striking talent in world football. When I was a kid everyone wanted to play C.F so seems a bit strange. Having said that Wenger and his scouting team are paid very good money to bring the best players to our club and our high ticket prices should allow us to compete with the best.
Time for Kronke to buy us a top striker or make way for someone who will.
Both are good against the little teams. Both poor against the better teams.
If we can get a couple of players good enough to have an impact against the top teams then both these would be decent to rotate in against the WHUs and Hulls
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Giroud scoring against awful Bayern last season when they were better than now
Giroud scored a tap in, Podolski scored a wondergoal. Podolski has scored twice vs Bayern too so he is twice the player.
Giroud also scored against Napoli and Dortmund...
More "Giroud's rubbish" talk I see. Ever thought that Giroud/Podolski don't quite make the impact against the bigger teams through no real fault of their own?
We ALL know hat it's our defensive frailty in midfield that costs us against the bigger sides and not ineptitude in attack. How can anyone expect our forwards to be able to produce the same results off a totally different, much weaker platform?
This is simple, when our midfield controls a game, our forwards get the job done (usually), regardless of who we are playing. When our midfield is over-run and dominated, we get beat and drop points, again REGARDLESS of whom we're playing.
This won't change enough to win a title if we by the three best strikers in the world because they'll be busy defending and scrambling back when the midfield is over-run, the same way Giroud and Podolski have to. How about we just give our current forwards a midfield that doesn't get run ragged by the top sides because it can defend too. I mean why does nobody ask them selves the simple question "If Giroud can manage 20 + how many assists with a midfield that can't defend to save it's life, what could he do with someone like Yaya Toure behind him, ensuring that he could spend ALL his time attacking the goal instead of half of it defending??
Our midfielders cost us the season, not our strikers so stop blaming them
@WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
Wow.
WengersBodyguard
Interesting stuff. Can you explain this for me please? Thanks.
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
Both are good against the little teams. Both poor against the better teams.
If we can get a couple of players good enough to have an impact against the top teams then both these would be decent to rotate in against the WHUs and Hulls
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thats there level vs the smaller teams neither are good enough to be 1st choice striker at a major club. So who do you suggest we buy upfront???
Messi, Aguero and Suarez.
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WengersBodyguard
Interesting stuff. Can you explain this for me please? Thanks.
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
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Getting smashed by the big teams has nothing to do with Giroud's poor conversion rate. It says something about "WBG" mentioned that is defending in midfield.
Keep both, bring in one lethal striker
It would be great to keep both but there is no way we are going to spend big big money without getting something back
We will spend big this summer. I was right about it last summer and I will be right again. You can bookmark it, Castor.
Of loading a lot of players, reducing our wage bill and selling gervinho for 9M and then buying ozil doesn't really suggest we went big does it.
Net spend of what £32M
Gunnerthru
How many assists, so goals, did Giroud provide in those games? Also, what were the team's stats in those games as a whole? I bet you'll find that the midfielder's stats in those games were shocking. Why is it the striker you single out if/when the whole team plays badly? They all play by the same rule IMO so to say Giroud is poor in big games when the whole team plays badly behind him is unfair.
19 chances against the top seven clubs, that's 14 games. Surely you're not going to blame him for not scoring more goals when he's getting less than two attempts a match?? That stat (if I'm understanding it right) reflects on the midfield far more than Giroud. Over the course of 14 games, that's nowhere near enough chances. I'm not saying there aren't strikers that could have gotten more. Just that Giroud is a striker who plays WITH his midfield so he will never get as many goals when they play badly. But very very few strikers do.
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WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
Absolute agreeing with you mate. I say the same the whole season.
Of course he wont never be in the mould of Suarez and scoring goals like him. Giroud has his limitations but he is not that terrible that some on this board want to make out of him.
Overall I am fed up to play one upfront. It didnt work with RVP and it didnt work with OG the whole season allthough I do believe that if we didnt have this injury list we would have compete about the title as we did until December.
With one up we are predicatable. If you watched closely yesterday you could see that OG played on the wing a few times to make space for our runners and which made us less predictable. We need to change our tactical approach next season.
People in denial over how shocking Giroud is.
Face the facts he's cack! In a big game if we go a goal down, look at him upfront and know it's well and truly over no chance
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posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
Neither are good enough for the positions they're required to play.
Giroud is really quite poor and worst of all is a total on and off the pitch.
Pod is better but doesn't suit our formation.
posted on 21/4/14
Podolski obviously.
posted on 21/4/14
Why sell Podolski just when he seems to be hitting some form for us? For all his faults and there are many , Giroud has scored 20 goals this season. I would hang on to both until we can get players in who actually perform better than these two.
According to Wikipedia (not always reliable) Draxler has scored just 5 goals (4 in Europe) in 35 appearances while Remy has scored 13 from 25 which is a bit more encouraging.
The problem is that there is a dearth of good striking talent in world football. When I was a kid everyone wanted to play C.F so seems a bit strange. Having said that Wenger and his scouting team are paid very good money to bring the best players to our club and our high ticket prices should allow us to compete with the best.
Time for Kronke to buy us a top striker or make way for someone who will.
posted on 21/4/14
Both are good against the little teams. Both poor against the better teams.
If we can get a couple of players good enough to have an impact against the top teams then both these would be decent to rotate in against the WHUs and Hulls
posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
Giroud scoring against awful Bayern last season when they were better than now
posted on 21/4/14
Giroud scored a tap in, Podolski scored a wondergoal. Podolski has scored twice vs Bayern too so he is twice the player.
posted on 21/4/14
Giroud also scored against Napoli and Dortmund...
posted on 21/4/14
Small clubs.
posted on 21/4/14
More "Giroud's rubbish" talk I see. Ever thought that Giroud/Podolski don't quite make the impact against the bigger teams through no real fault of their own?
We ALL know hat it's our defensive frailty in midfield that costs us against the bigger sides and not ineptitude in attack. How can anyone expect our forwards to be able to produce the same results off a totally different, much weaker platform?
This is simple, when our midfield controls a game, our forwards get the job done (usually), regardless of who we are playing. When our midfield is over-run and dominated, we get beat and drop points, again REGARDLESS of whom we're playing.
This won't change enough to win a title if we by the three best strikers in the world because they'll be busy defending and scrambling back when the midfield is over-run, the same way Giroud and Podolski have to. How about we just give our current forwards a midfield that doesn't get run ragged by the top sides because it can defend too. I mean why does nobody ask them selves the simple question "If Giroud can manage 20 + how many assists with a midfield that can't defend to save it's life, what could he do with someone like Yaya Toure behind him, ensuring that he could spend ALL his time attacking the goal instead of half of it defending??
Our midfielders cost us the season, not our strikers so stop blaming them
posted on 21/4/14
@WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
Wow.
posted on 21/4/14
WengersBodyguard
Interesting stuff. Can you explain this for me please? Thanks.
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
posted on 21/4/14
Both are good against the little teams. Both poor against the better teams.
If we can get a couple of players good enough to have an impact against the top teams then both these would be decent to rotate in against the WHUs and Hulls
___
thats there level vs the smaller teams neither are good enough to be 1st choice striker at a major club. So who do you suggest we buy upfront???
posted on 21/4/14
Messi, Aguero and Suarez.
posted on 21/4/14
comment by #AnyoneButGiroud (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
WengersBodyguard
Interesting stuff. Can you explain this for me please? Thanks.
Giroud versus top seven: 24 appearances, 3 goals (zero away), 5.9% conversion rate (down 12.4% v rest of PL), 0/19 clear-cut chances scored.
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Getting smashed by the big teams has nothing to do with Giroud's poor conversion rate. It says something about "WBG" mentioned that is defending in midfield.
posted on 21/4/14
Keep both, bring in one lethal striker
posted on 21/4/14
It would be great to keep both but there is no way we are going to spend big big money without getting something back
posted on 21/4/14
We will spend big this summer. I was right about it last summer and I will be right again. You can bookmark it, Castor.
posted on 21/4/14
Of loading a lot of players, reducing our wage bill and selling gervinho for 9M and then buying ozil doesn't really suggest we went big does it.
Net spend of what £32M
posted on 21/4/14
# believe
posted on 21/4/14
Gunnerthru
How many assists, so goals, did Giroud provide in those games? Also, what were the team's stats in those games as a whole? I bet you'll find that the midfielder's stats in those games were shocking. Why is it the striker you single out if/when the whole team plays badly? They all play by the same rule IMO so to say Giroud is poor in big games when the whole team plays badly behind him is unfair.
19 chances against the top seven clubs, that's 14 games. Surely you're not going to blame him for not scoring more goals when he's getting less than two attempts a match?? That stat (if I'm understanding it right) reflects on the midfield far more than Giroud. Over the course of 14 games, that's nowhere near enough chances. I'm not saying there aren't strikers that could have gotten more. Just that Giroud is a striker who plays WITH his midfield so he will never get as many goals when they play badly. But very very few strikers do.
posted on 21/4/14
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posted on 21/4/14
WengersBodyguard2 (U8276)
Absolute agreeing with you mate. I say the same the whole season.
Of course he wont never be in the mould of Suarez and scoring goals like him. Giroud has his limitations but he is not that terrible that some on this board want to make out of him.
Overall I am fed up to play one upfront. It didnt work with RVP and it didnt work with OG the whole season allthough I do believe that if we didnt have this injury list we would have compete about the title as we did until December.
With one up we are predicatable. If you watched closely yesterday you could see that OG played on the wing a few times to make space for our runners and which made us less predictable. We need to change our tactical approach next season.
posted on 21/4/14
People in denial over how shocking Giroud is.
Face the facts he's cack! In a big game if we go a goal down, look at him upfront and know it's well and truly over no chance
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