Not the official Barca club shop.
Some people are thick.
Why would any Club negotiate a clause that allows a player to leave on another clubs payment terms?
If barca cannot pay the amount up front then they are not meeting the clause, if they want to pay part of it as performance related bonuses, they are not meeting the clause.
The clause is the automatic trigger that takes the negotiation out of pools hands, other than an up front amount equal to that figure, the clause is not met.
That is common sense, only oppo fans with an agenda could be blinded to such base common sense? A shop is not legally required to sell you a tv if you go in, say your going to pay half now and half if your happy with how eastenders looks in hd. You either pay the required price, or you buy it on the seller's terms (I.e. Finance)
No court is going to support a system where the buyer pays half the value them withholds the other half untill they are happy with the performance.
Facking moronic some of the posts here!
Why are people worried? As long as we are guaranteed to be paid the £75m (I.e. no performance clauses) then we can show that as an asset as a debtor without even receiving the fee.
This means we can go ahead and spend money on new players and not worry about FFP.
My point was that LFC are not going to risk being in breach of contract law again in regard to Suarez’s release clause.
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Exactly, stay with me here, so if Liverpool want the full whack up front, they will be sure of their ground.
It's those gooner contract lawyers getting active for summer again.
We'll be hearing, "Got a light mate?" soon enough.
There's no way i'd be shelling out a tonne of money on the premise and promise of an i.o.u without a large chunk of it being paid off first!
Insert & Redin..
What are your thoughts on FSG/BR not making any bullish comments on LS currently as opposed to last summer?
Otherwise... We keep Suarez as FIFA are mulling over a reduced punishment at the request of Barcelona, Chiellini and co, it might be in our interests to do so.
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You ever get the feeling that FIFA are waiting to see if the transfer happens?
If it does, ban reduced
If it doesn't. ban not reduced
Insert random username:
Actually, a release clause does not need to be matched up front.
It can be matched in any way, unless if its stipulated in the clause how it must be met.
So, if barca think they can cover it with performance based sums, and the release clause has been activated, it means we didnt stipulate how it must be met.
Its really simple. I do t understand how peiple confuse it.
What if the Suarez deal fall though, would Liverpool be fecked financially at all, or would the stadium have to go on the back burner?
Insert random username
Sorry but your comments are inaccurate. It depends on the terms of the release clause.
It may be the case that Liverpool brokered the clause so that payment is paid up front and in full but as this would severely restrict Suarez’s options (not many clubs have £80m in “cash” lying around) it is very unlikely (and implausible given 99% of similar transfers) that Suarez’s legal team would have agreed to this in the first instance.
If the release clause was £80m there would be nothing wrong with Barca paying it in say three installments with 50% up front – as long as it was permissible in Suarez’s contract.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
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Spot on.
The only chance we might have received the full payment up front is if we got sanchez in part ex and another 35/40 mil.
Nobody knows what the payment schedule is in the contract ffs!
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posted 1 minute ago
Insert random username
Sorry but your comments are inaccurate. It depends on the terms of the release clause.
It may be the case that Liverpool brokered the clause so that payment is paid up front and in full but as this would severely restrict Suarez’s options (not many clubs have £80m in “cash” lying around) it is very unlikely (and implausible given 99% of similar transfers) that Suarez’s legal team would have agreed to this in the first instance.
If the release clause was £80m there would be nothing wrong with Barca paying it in say three installments with 50% up front – as long as it was permissible in Suarez’s contract.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
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Well I would not say it would bethat naive, if everything was fine and dandy he would be at Barca by now, it should not take a fortnight to agree a deal when the release fee has been met, this all smacks of Barcelona using bullying tactics to me, and if this deal falls through, LFC should go to FIFA or EUFA and ask for the book to be thrown at Barca for unsettling a player that they had no intention of paying the agreed fee for, I want Suarez for my local side, and I will decide how I meet the release fee, is this how it works ?
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My point was that LFC are not going to risk being in breach of contract law again in regard to Suarez’s release clause
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Again? We weren’t in breach of contract law the first time, you plum.
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The fact that Barca are openly selling Suarez shirts with the number 9 (Sanchez’s old number) in their club shop suggests to me that a deal may be further on than you think.
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I don’t think anybody doubts that, but it doesn’t relieve them of the obligation to pay us, and the terms of that payment will have to be agreed.
I very much doubt that the release clause gives the buying club the right to decide the payment terms unilaterally, otherwise they could just offer £1 up-front, and the rest payable in a monthly shipment of Haribos, if he plays well.
I doubt that the contract specifies the method of payment at all, but it almost certainly stipulates that the terms of it have to be agreeable to LFC, which is why negotiations are ongoing.
What you appear to be implying is that Barca can make the Haribo offer and we are obliged to accept it.
I somehow doubt it.
Good news is that we obviously aren't being as stupid as Arsenal and bending over and accepting whatever stupid payment plan Barça offered Arsenal which means they are still owed for Fabregas and Song.
Negotiations are obviously taking place to get the best deal possible for Liverpool which is why it's taking its time.
Really hope it's sorted as soon as possible though so we can get cracking on sorting replacements.
LordDowlias
Not really sure where you are coming from. He may well be at Barcelona – the deal may already be done however are just awaiting the FIFA registration process to be completed. Truth is we don’t know. In regard to the contract etc my previous comments refer.
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
The clause will be worded along the lines of x sum payable on terms agreeable to liverpool fc.
If we don't want to sell we will demand it all up front, this is the point everyone's missing. Liverpool can request unrealistic terms up to the release clause to try and keep suarez
LFC should go to FIFA or EUFA and ask for the book to be thrown at Barca for unsettling a player that they had no intention of paying the agreed fee for
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what for? how did they unsettle suarez? as far as i can tell, suarez wants to leave anyway... or doesnt.
Suarez has had one foot out the door every single minute that he has not been playing a match for us. Barca are negotiating. Yes there is a release fee (we believe), and its set at x amount. Its not he first and its not the last time a team will try to go a little bit below it in order to save a bit. Its hardly surprising.
To be perfectly honest, i wish we would do that occasionally as well instead of going straight for what they ask, or meeting the release clause, which is set intentionally high, to prevent bids (20 million for markovic HAHAHAHAHA)
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posted 1 minute ago
LordDowlias
Not really sure where you are coming from. He may well be at Barcelona – the deal may already be done however are just awaiting the FIFA registration process to be completed. Truth is we don’t know. In regard to the contract etc my previous comments refer.
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
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Come on, you really do not beleive that do you ? If Suarez was in Barcelona, or anywhere in Spain it would be all over the social networks and on every newspaper, lets be realistic here, Suarez will be at Barca, but Barca are trying to bully LFC into doing it their way, the authorities should throw the book at them for what they are doing.
You do that and you could be entering a world of trouble though. If young players from across the world see that we are stopping a player go to Barca, and are deliberately sabotaging the move by making unrealistic demands, will they want to come to us?
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yeah, i wouldnt want a player playing for us, whos using us as a stepping stone to be honest
LordDowlias
I think you read too many tabloids.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
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Well he didn't did he. He admitted there was a release clause which is a whole different kettle of fish despite the similarities. I may be wrong but I'll be very surprised if you can find anything where Henry said "We were in breach of contract".
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posted on 8/7/14
Not the official Barca club shop.
posted on 8/7/14
Some people are thick.
Why would any Club negotiate a clause that allows a player to leave on another clubs payment terms?
If barca cannot pay the amount up front then they are not meeting the clause, if they want to pay part of it as performance related bonuses, they are not meeting the clause.
The clause is the automatic trigger that takes the negotiation out of pools hands, other than an up front amount equal to that figure, the clause is not met.
That is common sense, only oppo fans with an agenda could be blinded to such base common sense? A shop is not legally required to sell you a tv if you go in, say your going to pay half now and half if your happy with how eastenders looks in hd. You either pay the required price, or you buy it on the seller's terms (I.e. Finance)
No court is going to support a system where the buyer pays half the value them withholds the other half untill they are happy with the performance.
Facking moronic some of the posts here!
posted on 8/7/14
Why are people worried? As long as we are guaranteed to be paid the £75m (I.e. no performance clauses) then we can show that as an asset as a debtor without even receiving the fee.
This means we can go ahead and spend money on new players and not worry about FFP.
posted on 8/7/14
My point was that LFC are not going to risk being in breach of contract law again in regard to Suarez’s release clause.
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Exactly, stay with me here, so if Liverpool want the full whack up front, they will be sure of their ground.
posted on 8/7/14
It's those gooner contract lawyers getting active for summer again.
We'll be hearing, "Got a light mate?" soon enough.
posted on 8/7/14
There's no way i'd be shelling out a tonne of money on the premise and promise of an i.o.u without a large chunk of it being paid off first!
posted on 8/7/14
Insert & Redin..
What are your thoughts on FSG/BR not making any bullish comments on LS currently as opposed to last summer?
posted on 8/7/14
Otherwise... We keep Suarez as FIFA are mulling over a reduced punishment at the request of Barcelona, Chiellini and co, it might be in our interests to do so.
-----------------------
You ever get the feeling that FIFA are waiting to see if the transfer happens?
If it does, ban reduced
If it doesn't. ban not reduced
posted on 8/7/14
Insert random username:
Actually, a release clause does not need to be matched up front.
It can be matched in any way, unless if its stipulated in the clause how it must be met.
So, if barca think they can cover it with performance based sums, and the release clause has been activated, it means we didnt stipulate how it must be met.
Its really simple. I do t understand how peiple confuse it.
posted on 8/7/14
What if the Suarez deal fall though, would Liverpool be fecked financially at all, or would the stadium have to go on the back burner?
posted on 8/7/14
Insert random username
Sorry but your comments are inaccurate. It depends on the terms of the release clause.
It may be the case that Liverpool brokered the clause so that payment is paid up front and in full but as this would severely restrict Suarez’s options (not many clubs have £80m in “cash” lying around) it is very unlikely (and implausible given 99% of similar transfers) that Suarez’s legal team would have agreed to this in the first instance.
If the release clause was £80m there would be nothing wrong with Barca paying it in say three installments with 50% up front – as long as it was permissible in Suarez’s contract.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
posted on 8/7/14
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
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Spot on.
The only chance we might have received the full payment up front is if we got sanchez in part ex and another 35/40 mil.
posted on 8/7/14
Nobody knows what the payment schedule is in the contract ffs!
posted on 8/7/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Insert random username
Sorry but your comments are inaccurate. It depends on the terms of the release clause.
It may be the case that Liverpool brokered the clause so that payment is paid up front and in full but as this would severely restrict Suarez’s options (not many clubs have £80m in “cash” lying around) it is very unlikely (and implausible given 99% of similar transfers) that Suarez’s legal team would have agreed to this in the first instance.
If the release clause was £80m there would be nothing wrong with Barca paying it in say three installments with 50% up front – as long as it was permissible in Suarez’s contract.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Liverpool are going to get the full fee in a one off payment is being very naïve.
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Well I would not say it would bethat naive, if everything was fine and dandy he would be at Barca by now, it should not take a fortnight to agree a deal when the release fee has been met, this all smacks of Barcelona using bullying tactics to me, and if this deal falls through, LFC should go to FIFA or EUFA and ask for the book to be thrown at Barca for unsettling a player that they had no intention of paying the agreed fee for, I want Suarez for my local side, and I will decide how I meet the release fee, is this how it works ?
posted on 8/7/14
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posted on 8/7/14
My point was that LFC are not going to risk being in breach of contract law again in regard to Suarez’s release clause
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Again? We weren’t in breach of contract law the first time, you plum.
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The fact that Barca are openly selling Suarez shirts with the number 9 (Sanchez’s old number) in their club shop suggests to me that a deal may be further on than you think.
===================================================
I don’t think anybody doubts that, but it doesn’t relieve them of the obligation to pay us, and the terms of that payment will have to be agreed.
I very much doubt that the release clause gives the buying club the right to decide the payment terms unilaterally, otherwise they could just offer £1 up-front, and the rest payable in a monthly shipment of Haribos, if he plays well.
I doubt that the contract specifies the method of payment at all, but it almost certainly stipulates that the terms of it have to be agreeable to LFC, which is why negotiations are ongoing.
What you appear to be implying is that Barca can make the Haribo offer and we are obliged to accept it.
I somehow doubt it.
posted on 8/7/14
Good news is that we obviously aren't being as stupid as Arsenal and bending over and accepting whatever stupid payment plan Barça offered Arsenal which means they are still owed for Fabregas and Song.
Negotiations are obviously taking place to get the best deal possible for Liverpool which is why it's taking its time.
Really hope it's sorted as soon as possible though so we can get cracking on sorting replacements.
posted on 8/7/14
LordDowlias
Not really sure where you are coming from. He may well be at Barcelona – the deal may already be done however are just awaiting the FIFA registration process to be completed. Truth is we don’t know. In regard to the contract etc my previous comments refer.
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
posted on 8/7/14
The clause will be worded along the lines of x sum payable on terms agreeable to liverpool fc.
If we don't want to sell we will demand it all up front, this is the point everyone's missing. Liverpool can request unrealistic terms up to the release clause to try and keep suarez
posted on 8/7/14
LFC should go to FIFA or EUFA and ask for the book to be thrown at Barca for unsettling a player that they had no intention of paying the agreed fee for
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what for? how did they unsettle suarez? as far as i can tell, suarez wants to leave anyway... or doesnt.
Suarez has had one foot out the door every single minute that he has not been playing a match for us. Barca are negotiating. Yes there is a release fee (we believe), and its set at x amount. Its not he first and its not the last time a team will try to go a little bit below it in order to save a bit. Its hardly surprising.
To be perfectly honest, i wish we would do that occasionally as well instead of going straight for what they ask, or meeting the release clause, which is set intentionally high, to prevent bids (20 million for markovic HAHAHAHAHA)
posted on 8/7/14
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posted on 8/7/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
LordDowlias
Not really sure where you are coming from. He may well be at Barcelona – the deal may already be done however are just awaiting the FIFA registration process to be completed. Truth is we don’t know. In regard to the contract etc my previous comments refer.
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
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Come on, you really do not beleive that do you ? If Suarez was in Barcelona, or anywhere in Spain it would be all over the social networks and on every newspaper, lets be realistic here, Suarez will be at Barca, but Barca are trying to bully LFC into doing it their way, the authorities should throw the book at them for what they are doing.
posted on 8/7/14
You do that and you could be entering a world of trouble though. If young players from across the world see that we are stopping a player go to Barca, and are deliberately sabotaging the move by making unrealistic demands, will they want to come to us?
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yeah, i wouldnt want a player playing for us, whos using us as a stepping stone to be honest
posted on 8/7/14
LordDowlias
I think you read too many tabloids.
posted on 8/7/14
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wessie Road
In regard to the previous release clause JW Henry has openly admitted LFC were in breach of contract. Were you under a rock?
Suggest in regard to the current situation you read my previous comments (clause etc) before commenting further.
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Well he didn't did he. He admitted there was a release clause which is a whole different kettle of fish despite the similarities. I may be wrong but I'll be very surprised if you can find anything where Henry said "We were in breach of contract".
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