Wessie Road

Just because transfer terms may be defined in Suarez's contract does not mean that Barca can’t attempt to negotiate.

That was never my argument. My point was that it was implausible that there were not defined options (for a potential buyer) in the contract.

Some had argued that the only way Barca could secure Suarez was by a one off lump sum payment which I disagreed with.

“Just because transfer terms may be defined in Suarez's contract does not mean that Barca can’t attempt to negotiate.”

“If there is a release clause in Suarez’s Liverpool contract which is met, then Liverpool are contractually obliged to accept. The terms of payment will be clearly defined in the contract.”
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Right, so your argument is taht Barca can negotiate, but ultimately, Liverpool only have to accept the payment terms defined in the contract.

So in that case, it doesn’t matter whether Barca have met Suarez’s release clause, because if they haven’t met the payment terms defined in the contract, Liverpool can still refuse to sanction the transfer.

Yet you said: “Liverpool can’t back out as it seems that Barca have activated the release clause and JW Henry is not going to risk Barca/Suarez taking Liverpool to CAS over the matter.”

Leaving aside the fact that CAS have no jurisdiction over UEFA or its clubs (and that their rulings have been ignored before), you are now arguing that they can back out if Barca don’t meet the payment terms defined in the contract. Yet earlier you were arguing that Liverpool can’t back out.

He does tie himself into knots.

If barca have activated a release clause they have to discuss the structure of the fee.

If they can't come to an agreement, no deal.

Barcelona can't just force through terms they want.

To suggest that is a nonsense.

It looks as though Barca are angling for Suarez to try and force a dream move thus they can get him on their terms.

Wessie Road

You have misinterpreted my comments.

If the clause has been activated (which we all believe it has) then Liverpool are obliged to sell within the confines of the clause.

However should Barca wish to purchase via means not laid out in the clause there will also be predefined options set out to them.

Should it transpire that Barca wish to pay over a longer period it is customary for clubs to incur additional costs – again which will be set out in the contract. Both clubs will obviously endeavour to negotiate what is best for them but my understanding is that if Barca agree to the terms laid out in the release clause LFC are not in a position veto.

In any event Liverpool seem as keen as Barca to progress the transfer so fully expect the clubs to reach an agreement (if they have not already done so).

Suggest you read the CAS statute in relation to resolving sports-related disputes.

What dispute ? If Barca have met all the criteria for the release fee as you have mentioned then Suarez would be a Barcelona player by now, if he isn't which is a matter of FACT, then that just goes to show that over the last fortnight since talks have started Barca have not fullfilled the criteria, we saw the same with Bale and Madrid, they tried telling Levy how it was, but he made them pay in the way HE wanted, LFC are only doing the same.

LordDowlias

Stop kidding yourself. Liverpool want to move on from this as soon as possible. A transfer of this size will have taken considerably longer than two weeks.

Suarez will be formally announced as a Barca player in the next few days and we can all wish him well.

I agree, LFC want him gone now by the looks of it, but it will be on LFC's terms, not Barcelona's, if he was going on Barcelona's terms, he would be gone by now, and that is what we are all trying to tell you, but you can only see it in your's and Barca's way.

LordDowlias

The deal will have been brokered in the best interests of each club. I took exception to some that felt Liverpool held all the cards, and was their way or the highway (no full fee up front = no deal).

Suarez is a Liverpool player, with a release clause at £75m.
Barcelona have said they'll meet the fee
This is what is known.

If that is all Barcelona needed to do, he'd be a Barcelona player by now.

As it requires further agreement from Liverpool, there is more negotiating to do.

I took exception to some that felt Liverpool held all the cards, and was their way or the highway (no full fee up front = no deal).

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If that's what Liverpool actually want, then that is what we could insist on.

Redinthehead

Was just re-reading your article and to be frank you are being utterly deluded if you think Liverpool are getting the full transfer fee up front, and in one payment.

You also forget that the player and both clubs want this deal to go through (I expect for some time).

Suggest waiting until later in the week to see what official information is made available when the transfer is announced.

Christ, it has taken since about 8am this morning to get stuart pearce to see things logically, and yes Red, Suarez is a liverpool player, and Barca must meet what ever criteria the contract stipulates, the fact that they are trying to worm their way around things suggests that they do not have the means to fill the criteria so they should never have put in a bid in the first place.

LordDowlias

Feel that given the nonsensical assertions in the article, and subsequent like-minded comments by many LFC fans, my views have been somewhat reasoned.

Each to their own…

to be frank you are being utterly deluded if you think Liverpool are getting the full transfer fee up front, and in one payment.

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How so?

If we are within our rights to ask for it and the contract allows for it why is it so incomprehensible?

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
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LordDowlias

Feel that given the nonsensical assertions in the article, and subsequent like-minded comments by many LFC fans, my views have been somewhat reasoned.

Each to their own…

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Look, lets take this rationaly, none of us know what criteria's are in the contract, obviously what ever the criteria's are, they have not been met, otherwise Suarez would be in Barcelona by now signing a nice new contract, LFC obviously put things in place, so that if Suarez was to be sold, they could use the money to buy a replacement of equal quality, what if I bought your car off you and you needed the money you were making to by a replacement, would you except a tenner a week, no you wouldn't, you would want it all so that you could buy a replacement car straight away. Barca are obviously trying to force LFC's hand, they now that LFC want him out, they know he wants to come and Barca are trying to pull one over on LFC by puttuing in thing s like performance related payments and the what not, just because they are Barca and they are used to getting what they want does not mean it will happen this time, LFC are obviously holding out for what they want and UNTIL Barca come up with what they want, they will not get Suarez, I am only stating the obvious here, I cannot see for the life of me why you would think any differently,.

If the criteria's are not met, and LFC do not agree, then it is a non starter.

I have made my points. As I mentioned previously suggest waiting until the transfer is announced later in the week.

I love it when somebody comes out with a load of guff that they don't actually know, such as saying 'we won't get the payment up front' but then when you speculate that you might they tell you to wait until the facts are out.......

Frankly I think you're all moronic for spending 200 comments and a full day debating over the intricacies of a contract that none of you have ever seen

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