See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
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And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
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posted 1 minute ago
Please tell me who else has done something similar to what Wenger has done,without going into administration?
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What has Wenger done? I want the achievement defined before I can answer that question. Scraping top 4 for 8 years on a top 4 budget? Is that the amazing achievement?
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From the top of my head, Wenger oversaw the club's move to the Emirates, whilst keeping us competitive.
Wenger was loyal to us after the stadium move when we didn't have money to spend, he could have gone elsewhere but stayed because he loves Arsenal. it's amazing that he got abused so much for his loyalty and blamed for the financial situation of the club. He's made some mistakes but who doesn't, overall what he's done for the club and the transformation in his time is phenomental, long may it continue. Arsene
Using hypothetical situations to justify the praise Wenger receives , how can anyone argue with logic like that. It's like me saying if Mourinho was in Wenger's position over the last 8 years its inconceivable to think we wouldn't have been successful. Even if I believe that to be true I cannot use it in an argument because there is no way I could substantiate that claim but when it comes to discussing Wenger simple stuff like logic and reason go out the window.
All these Wenger myths just tends to pee me off. He had a great first 8 years at Arsenal and a mediocre next 8 years after that. No need pretending what he's done in the last 8 years has been in anyway spectacular. He's made a fair load of epic mistakes in those periods that kept us from progressing, gave us misleading, contradictory statements about our financial state, prove to be tactically naive and convinced a lot of fans that 4th is an amazing achievement - and so many keep falling for it.
What has Wenger done? I want the achievement defined before I can answer that question. Scraping top 4 for 8 years on a top 4 budget? Is that the amazing achievement?
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Who has moved their team from a 30,000 to 60,000 seater stadium? kept their team in the CL for 17 years? Always made of profit for his club? Gone unbeaten in a PL season? Unearthed as much gems on the PL for such low fees? Changed the way the PL looked at training, diets,lifestyles, way they play football?
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
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And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
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What other team has finished at least fourth in the last seventeen years irrespective of financial restraints?
Imagine spurs had finished at least fourth for seventeen years in a row? Difficult to? Why, we were probably a similar level team at the stage Wenger took over
Wenger has money in January and last Summer and still found ways to fack up transfer windows.
A decent start to a transfer window for the 1st time in 10 years and all should be forgiven? Lets not forget that his amateur dealings during the transfer windows is only one of his many flaws.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 57 seconds ago
See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
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And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
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We are richer that spurs and pay more in wages because we have a better business model; and part of that is down to Wenger.
Arsene and the board had a footballing but more importantly a commercial vision in leaving highbury when we did. We are reaping the benefits now and the manager deserves all the plaudits .
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
From the top of my head, Wenger oversaw the club's move to the Emirates, whilst keeping us competitive.
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What does that mean? That we wouldn't have moved stadium if not for Wenger? Spurs are about building a new stadium and that's without the benefit of CL money - would that be attributed to Pochettino if he's still their manager in the next 2 or 3 years? I also wouldn't know how you define competitive. Our biggest competition in the last 8 years is fighting with Spurs for a top 4 spot and we've remarkably done it 3 times by just one point. How much of a threat have we been to the big boys in the league and CL?
Bats didn't you want Wenger our in the first place because he was leading us into decline and didn't want to spend money how do you feel about that now.
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why. It's like people think Wenger has failed by not being better than these teams. United could compete with them because of the dominance Fergie built over a sustained period and as a result the income they generated and reputation they held which enabled them to spend big on top players. Arsenal over achieved by even finishing within a few points of these three teams. Wenger should have done better in the cups but it's not the monumental failure you lot make it out to be. The main concern for is is not winning fa cups but to be challenging for the league. People say Wenger failed because of the media driven "years without a trophy" agenda
We are richer that spurs and pay more in wages because we have a better business model; and part of that is down to Wenger.
Arsene and the board had a footballing but more importantly a commercial vision in leaving highbury when we did. We are reaping the benefits now and the manager deserves all the plaudits
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Agree 100%
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why
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By who? Cheers for that though that actually made me laugh.
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years. Wenger has only kept his job in the last 8 years because of his previous 8 years before that. Any other "big club" would have sacked him. Qualifying for the CL every year isn't nearly as amazing an achievement as Wenger has made our fans believe. It even wears me out seeing us make up the numbers every year in that competition. When last did we even knock out a team fancied above us in the competition? 2008?
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
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Pick two?
Wenger has help set this club up for generations and generations it makes me so angry when idiots abuse him after all he has done and all he continues to do. He has given everything for this club. Constantly turning down jobs at real psg even France offering ridiculous money. All to leave a legacy at our club that our future generations will experience
We reached the CL finals, semi finals and had a few tital challenges in that time. We weren't that far from the rich clubs despite not spending much and selling our top players. our fans expectations were too high during that time when we were competing with massive spenders. He made mistakes and we could have won cups but overall when we look back it wasn't that bad finishing top 4 every year during our 'bad' period.
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years. Wenger has only kept his job in the last 8 years because of his previous 8 years before that. Any other "big club" would have sacked him. Qualifying for the CL every year isn't nearly as amazing an achievement as Wenger has made our fans believe. It even wears me out seeing us make up the numbers every year in that competition. When last did we even knock out a team fancied above us in the competition? 2008?
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Are you silly? How on earth do you think we afford to bid for Sanchez ozil etc while paying all the debts we have
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
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Pick two?
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???
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why. It's like people think Wenger has failed by not being better than these teams. United could compete with them because of the dominance Fergie built over a sustained period and as a result the income they generated and reputation they held which enabled them to spend big on top players. Arsenal over achieved by even finishing within a few points of these three teams. Wenger should have done better in the cups but it's not the monumental failure you lot make it out to be. The main concern for is is not winning fa cups but to be challenging for the league. People say Wenger failed because of the media driven "years without a trophy" agenda
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Overlooked? If anything we're obsessed with making that excuse all the time. Clubs like Atletico Madrid and Dortmund and even Liverpool last season have proven that is just a convenient excuse. Arsenal have had the resources for years now to compete if our manager was a little more ambitious and more tactically astute rather than lying down for the big boys.
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years.
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We've been in a brand new stadium for those 8 years, big thanks to him, and i'm sure the board had a longer vision than 8 years. They knew that he is the man to take them to the next level, with a bit of patience, and now,here we are, at least competing for the best players in the world, with the big boys.
Lol finishing tip for every year isn't an amazing achievement. Ridiculous. Who else has done it in English football?
Atletico Madrid and Dortmund and even Liverpool last season have proven that is just a convenient excuse.
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And what have those teams done?
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posted on 12/7/14
See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
-----------------------------------------
And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
posted on 12/7/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 1 minute ago
Please tell me who else has done something similar to what Wenger has done,without going into administration?
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What has Wenger done? I want the achievement defined before I can answer that question. Scraping top 4 for 8 years on a top 4 budget? Is that the amazing achievement?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
From the top of my head, Wenger oversaw the club's move to the Emirates, whilst keeping us competitive.
posted on 12/7/14
Wenger was loyal to us after the stadium move when we didn't have money to spend, he could have gone elsewhere but stayed because he loves Arsenal. it's amazing that he got abused so much for his loyalty and blamed for the financial situation of the club. He's made some mistakes but who doesn't, overall what he's done for the club and the transformation in his time is phenomental, long may it continue. Arsene
posted on 12/7/14
Using hypothetical situations to justify the praise Wenger receives , how can anyone argue with logic like that. It's like me saying if Mourinho was in Wenger's position over the last 8 years its inconceivable to think we wouldn't have been successful. Even if I believe that to be true I cannot use it in an argument because there is no way I could substantiate that claim but when it comes to discussing Wenger simple stuff like logic and reason go out the window.
posted on 12/7/14
All these Wenger myths just tends to pee me off. He had a great first 8 years at Arsenal and a mediocre next 8 years after that. No need pretending what he's done in the last 8 years has been in anyway spectacular. He's made a fair load of epic mistakes in those periods that kept us from progressing, gave us misleading, contradictory statements about our financial state, prove to be tactically naive and convinced a lot of fans that 4th is an amazing achievement - and so many keep falling for it.
posted on 12/7/14
What has Wenger done? I want the achievement defined before I can answer that question. Scraping top 4 for 8 years on a top 4 budget? Is that the amazing achievement?
----------------------------------------------------------
Who has moved their team from a 30,000 to 60,000 seater stadium? kept their team in the CL for 17 years? Always made of profit for his club? Gone unbeaten in a PL season? Unearthed as much gems on the PL for such low fees? Changed the way the PL looked at training, diets,lifestyles, way they play football?
posted on 12/7/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
-----------------------------------------
And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
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What other team has finished at least fourth in the last seventeen years irrespective of financial restraints?
Imagine spurs had finished at least fourth for seventeen years in a row? Difficult to? Why, we were probably a similar level team at the stage Wenger took over
posted on 12/7/14
Wenger has money in January and last Summer and still found ways to fack up transfer windows.
A decent start to a transfer window for the 1st time in 10 years and all should be forgiven? Lets not forget that his amateur dealings during the transfer windows is only one of his many flaws.
posted on 12/7/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 57 seconds ago
See why a lot of posters here give you stick sheriff. Yes we have a huge bill but we fund it as a going concern. That cannot be said of Chelsea and Mancity since Roman and the Arabs started throwing lucre around.
It is more than conceivable that Wenger would have added much more silverware had the playing field been level all these years.
-----------------------------------------
And Spurs may be better than us if we weren't a far richer club who pay £1m more per week on wages than they do and about £50m more per year. All swings and roundabouts. Yes, City, Chelsea and United who have much bigger budgets should be sitting ahead of us - in the same way 4th is a par achievement for us. It's not the spectacular achievement a lot of people try to make out and we don't run on a shoe string budget.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We are richer that spurs and pay more in wages because we have a better business model; and part of that is down to Wenger.
Arsene and the board had a footballing but more importantly a commercial vision in leaving highbury when we did. We are reaping the benefits now and the manager deserves all the plaudits .
posted on 12/7/14
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
posted on 12/7/14
From the top of my head, Wenger oversaw the club's move to the Emirates, whilst keeping us competitive.
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What does that mean? That we wouldn't have moved stadium if not for Wenger? Spurs are about building a new stadium and that's without the benefit of CL money - would that be attributed to Pochettino if he's still their manager in the next 2 or 3 years? I also wouldn't know how you define competitive. Our biggest competition in the last 8 years is fighting with Spurs for a top 4 spot and we've remarkably done it 3 times by just one point. How much of a threat have we been to the big boys in the league and CL?
posted on 12/7/14
Bats didn't you want Wenger our in the first place because he was leading us into decline and didn't want to spend money how do you feel about that now.
posted on 12/7/14
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why. It's like people think Wenger has failed by not being better than these teams. United could compete with them because of the dominance Fergie built over a sustained period and as a result the income they generated and reputation they held which enabled them to spend big on top players. Arsenal over achieved by even finishing within a few points of these three teams. Wenger should have done better in the cups but it's not the monumental failure you lot make it out to be. The main concern for is is not winning fa cups but to be challenging for the league. People say Wenger failed because of the media driven "years without a trophy" agenda
posted on 12/7/14
We are richer that spurs and pay more in wages because we have a better business model; and part of that is down to Wenger.
Arsene and the board had a footballing but more importantly a commercial vision in leaving highbury when we did. We are reaping the benefits now and the manager deserves all the plaudits
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Agree 100%
posted on 12/7/14
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why
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By who? Cheers for that though that actually made me laugh.
posted on 12/7/14
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years. Wenger has only kept his job in the last 8 years because of his previous 8 years before that. Any other "big club" would have sacked him. Qualifying for the CL every year isn't nearly as amazing an achievement as Wenger has made our fans believe. It even wears me out seeing us make up the numbers every year in that competition. When last did we even knock out a team fancied above us in the competition? 2008?
posted on 12/7/14
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
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Pick two?
posted on 12/7/14
Wenger has help set this club up for generations and generations it makes me so angry when idiots abuse him after all he has done and all he continues to do. He has given everything for this club. Constantly turning down jobs at real psg even France offering ridiculous money. All to leave a legacy at our club that our future generations will experience
posted on 12/7/14
We reached the CL finals, semi finals and had a few tital challenges in that time. We weren't that far from the rich clubs despite not spending much and selling our top players. our fans expectations were too high during that time when we were competing with massive spenders. He made mistakes and we could have won cups but overall when we look back it wasn't that bad finishing top 4 every year during our 'bad' period.
posted on 12/7/14
comment by Sheriff John Brown - bring back David Dein (U7482)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years. Wenger has only kept his job in the last 8 years because of his previous 8 years before that. Any other "big club" would have sacked him. Qualifying for the CL every year isn't nearly as amazing an achievement as Wenger has made our fans believe. It even wears me out seeing us make up the numbers every year in that competition. When last did we even knock out a team fancied above us in the competition? 2008?
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Are you silly? How on earth do you think we afford to bid for Sanchez ozil etc while paying all the debts we have
posted on 12/7/14
So he asked what great achievement with a clear reference to the last 8 years and you recite Wenger's hole tenure at Arsenal?
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Pick two?
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???
posted on 12/7/14
The emergence of the sugar daddy and Chelsea and city is always so overlooked but I don't understand why. It's like people think Wenger has failed by not being better than these teams. United could compete with them because of the dominance Fergie built over a sustained period and as a result the income they generated and reputation they held which enabled them to spend big on top players. Arsenal over achieved by even finishing within a few points of these three teams. Wenger should have done better in the cups but it's not the monumental failure you lot make it out to be. The main concern for is is not winning fa cups but to be challenging for the league. People say Wenger failed because of the media driven "years without a trophy" agenda
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Overlooked? If anything we're obsessed with making that excuse all the time. Clubs like Atletico Madrid and Dortmund and even Liverpool last season have proven that is just a convenient excuse. Arsenal have had the resources for years now to compete if our manager was a little more ambitious and more tactically astute rather than lying down for the big boys.
posted on 12/7/14
I'm not talking about the last 17 years. I'm talking of the last 8 years.
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We've been in a brand new stadium for those 8 years, big thanks to him, and i'm sure the board had a longer vision than 8 years. They knew that he is the man to take them to the next level, with a bit of patience, and now,here we are, at least competing for the best players in the world, with the big boys.
posted on 12/7/14
Lol finishing tip for every year isn't an amazing achievement. Ridiculous. Who else has done it in English football?
posted on 12/7/14
Atletico Madrid and Dortmund and even Liverpool last season have proven that is just a convenient excuse.
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And what have those teams done?
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