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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
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God do I hate libel.
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I know right, freedom of speech is dead
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You mean the freedom to talk a pile of untrue bollox about someone else?
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Yes
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As a Liverpool fan, do you read The Sun?

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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
God do I hate libel.
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I know right, freedom of speech is dead
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You mean the freedom to talk a pile of untrue bollox about someone else?
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Yes
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The issue with libel is that the issue of truth becomes one where you must be able to prove what you say. By applying a court's standard of proof to the average's Joe's statements it's easy to prosecute someone on the basis that they have less access to investigative resources and legal advice. The truth of a statement is less important when the burden of proving justification lies with the defendant.

There's a good reason foreigners use the UK courts to sue people under libel.

True enough, but the libel laws are also there to protect against the printing of lies across written and online media. If they weren't there, the gutter press would be even worse than they already are

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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
posted 3 minutes ago
True enough, but the libel laws are also there to protect against the printing of lies across written and online media. If they weren't there, the gutter press would be even worse than they already are
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Oh indeed. But there's an issue of scale here. If libel law is designed to protect you against misstatement by the press, then it will expect the press to have the time, resources and funding to prove a statement at a greater level.

So when it ends up being applied to the general public, it allows powerful individuals to cover up the truth and bully individuals because they don't have such access to time, resources and funding.

Liverpool fan defending the Sun.. whatever next, Spurs fans defending jack wilshere?

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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
posted 3 minutes ago
True enough, but the libel laws are also there to protect against the printing of lies across written and online media. If they weren't there, the gutter press would be even worse than they already are
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Oh indeed. But there's an issue of scale here. If libel law is designed to protect you against misstatement by the press, then it will expect the press to have the time, resources and funding to prove a statement at a greater level.

So when it ends up being applied to the general public, it allows powerful individuals to cover up the truth and bully individuals because they don't have such access to time, resources and funding.
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Unfortunately true, money will always win out. However, the fact there is a law in place at least offers some form of threat...whether they heed it or not.

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So you're the arbiter of what is petty then? When you insult someone, it may seem petty to you, but I'm sure I could come up with plenty of things about Liverpool than your would be fairly upset about, but means shít all to most other people.

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comment by Mauricio's smile (U3582)
posted 55 seconds ago
Liverpool fan defending the Sun.. whatever next, Spurs fans defending jack wilshere?
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"defending the sun"
Yeah you completely misread my post
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Yeah you're completely talking ballacks

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-i-disapprove-of-what-you-say-but-i-will-defend-to-the-death-your-right-to-say-it-evelyn-beatrice-hall-78013.jpg

Only applies when what you're saying doesn't hurt anyone.

To use that quote in this context is a nonsense.

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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
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comment by Giröulski Alt-153 forever (U14971)
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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
posted 3 minutes ago
True enough, but the libel laws are also there to protect against the printing of lies across written and online media. If they weren't there, the gutter press would be even worse than they already are
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Oh indeed. But there's an issue of scale here. If libel law is designed to protect you against misstatement by the press, then it will expect the press to have the time, resources and funding to prove a statement at a greater level.

So when it ends up being applied to the general public, it allows powerful individuals to cover up the truth and bully individuals because they don't have such access to time, resources and funding.
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Unfortunately true, money will always win out. However, the fact there is a law in place at least offers some form of threat...whether they heed it or not.
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I think there needs to be a serious look at how other countries deal with libel in such a way as to not attract libel tourism and see what we can learn from them.

I don't necessarily think it would be impossible to draw a distinction between public bodies and the private individual, and apply the law differently in accordance with such. It'd be one hell of a humdinger legally, and it would lead to a raft of case law and difficulty, but it may help protect freedom of speech of the individual.

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Giroulski genuine question.. how can they make it fairer for the average joe on the street..?

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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
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So you're the arbiter of what is petty then? When you insult someone, it may seem petty to you, but I'm sure I could come up with plenty of things about Liverpool than your would be fairly upset about, but means shít all to most other people.
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I would be upset, I wouldn't demand you be put in jail though.
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Then you probably wouldn't be all that upset then. Just enough upset to moan about it, but not enough to actually do something about it. See people like that on telly a lot.

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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
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comment by Vertonghen Groove *100% WUM free* (U1546)
posted 3 minutes ago
True enough, but the libel laws are also there to protect against the printing of lies across written and online media. If they weren't there, the gutter press would be even worse than they already are
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Oh indeed. But there's an issue of scale here. If libel law is designed to protect you against misstatement by the press, then it will expect the press to have the time, resources and funding to prove a statement at a greater level.

So when it ends up being applied to the general public, it allows powerful individuals to cover up the truth and bully individuals because they don't have such access to time, resources and funding.
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Unfortunately true, money will always win out. However, the fact there is a law in place at least offers some form of threat...whether they heed it or not.
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I think there needs to be a serious look at how other countries deal with libel in such a way as to not attract libel tourism and see what we can learn from them.

I don't necessarily think it would be impossible to draw a distinction between public bodies and the private individual, and apply the law differently in accordance with such. It'd be one hell of a humdinger legally, and it would lead to a raft of case law and difficulty, but it may help protect freedom of speech of the individual.
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Must admit I struggle with using a court in another country to try a case. If the defendant is based in a country and the plaintiff in another, they should be taken to court in the country of the plaintiff

Wilshere wants to be a badass more then he wants to be a football player.

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comment by Mauricio's smile (U3582)
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comment by Mauricio's smile (U3582)
posted 55 seconds ago
Liverpool fan defending the Sun.. whatever next, Spurs fans defending jack wilshere?
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"defending the sun"
Yeah you completely misread my post
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Yeah you're completely talking ballacks

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-i-disapprove-of-what-you-say-but-i-will-defend-to-the-death-your-right-to-say-it-evelyn-beatrice-hall-78013.jpg

Only applies when what you're saying doesn't hurt anyone.

To use that quote in this context is a nonsense.
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If it doesn't hurt anyone, she wouldn't dissaprove. Also the fact that she says she will defend their right to say it implies that it's something that you may not be allowed to say. I'm pretty sure if you're not allowed to say something, it will be a hurtful thing.
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It implies nothing of the sort, rendering the rest of your post pointless.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=assumptions&defid=738944

By applying a different burden to people acting as individuals. It is currently up to the defendant to prove the truth of a statement they make, which as I pointed out is unreasonable for the general public to a large extent. You would not necessarily have to reverse the burden and put it on the claimant's shoulders to show that the statement is false but merely lower the standard of proof that a defendant might reach. It's dangerous waters mind, and in truth such a suggestion may quickly be shown to be ridiculous.

Yeah i know what you mean. But like what has been said already. The one with the deepest pockets usually wins.