Some of our governments hide behind the "extremist" labels, which most of the public deem the reality as "conspiracy theories".... This is what happens when the average man (in uk anyway) watches an average of 45 hours of television per week...... The corporate news flow is designed to make you find social organization undesirable mate and makes you obedient; it shreds your desire to revolt, to stand up, to even speak, you just sit there and listen to commands.......
The corporate news flow, sound just like the mad mullahs ... touche' !
Mmm, some interesting points on here, and they are getting even more interesting.. Keep posting.
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Always the USA
Given how power hungry they are its weird they didn't just take over Europe in either world war when they clearly could have isn't it?!?
Clearly just a Muslim vendetta though
In case anyone has ever wondered why Israel gets a lot more support in the USA than other countries...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428959/
Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land
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http://electronicintifada.net/content/new-documentary-takes-israeli-palestinian-conflict-coverage-task/5037
Anyone who has read more than a handful of U.S. news reports on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict knows what these orthodoxies are. No historical context regarding the illegality of Israel’s colonizing settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is provided. Israel retaliates, while Palestinians provoke. Yasser Arafat inexplicably turned down Ehud Barak’s unprecedented generous offer and incited the current intifada out of spite towards Israel. The United States is an impartial peace broker. Relative quiet exists when it’s only Palestinians who are dying. What is missing from the coverage is what it means for Palestinians to endure checkpoints and curfews, as well as Israeli voices of dissent, and the billions of dollars the U.S. gives to Israel each year. But why are these conventions so pervasive in the media?
Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land presents a different answer to this question than the standard pro-Palestinian response pointing to the AIPAC/Israeli lobby influence. The film illustrates the series of filters “through which the news must travel before it emerges in the voices of news anchors” as an inverted pyramid. The largest filter is the international business interests of the corporations who own the media, then the political elites who have the power to grant access to reporters, the third filter being Israel’s PR campaign and consulates, and the private American organizations (both Christian and Jewish) like AIPAC, and lastly watchdog organizations like CAMERA.
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Also an interesting take on how a strong propaganda campaign can make such a difference between countries views in general.
Why were hamas backing Assad?
Egypt regard hamas as terrorists,and blockade the border,so Israel is not alone in being dubious about hamas intentions.
Yesterday,the killing and kidnapping of soldiers during the ceasefire was ok,because they had crossed into Gaza land........it is a war,fair enough,but have you seen the Egypt/Israel border?
That is weird how a border can be perfectly straight for hundreds of miles,and those who speak of precise Palestinian,Arab,or Israeli lands are being naïve.
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I think pressure is being applied on Israel to reduce innocent deaths,from the US,UK,Europe etc.........who is telling hamas etc to wind it down?
Just askin.
comment by #Forza (U19575)
posted 20 seconds ago
the coverage of this in US is very impartial imo.
they do not comment on who is right or wrong, just report what is happening, like news should be.
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this in spades.
But as ever, if the USA say and do nothing they are bad, if they get involved they are bad
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Cal
I am genuinely confused here,mate.
Who did hamas back in Syria and Egypt,if anyone can enlighten me.
I know the muslim brotherhood and hamas were linked,and now Egypt is anti-hamas,in govt circles there.
Then hezbollah were getting involved on an unexpected side...........I am losing the plot here.
Then ISIS split from AQ,and are now Islamic State,hell bent on creating a sunni extremist land,from Syria to Iraq,thus killing,shia,kurd or Christian.
Man,the whole place is a mess!
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comment by #Forza (U19575)
posted 45 minutes ago
the coverage of this in US is very impartial imo.
they do not comment on who is right or wrong, just report what is happening, like news should be.
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You do not find it at all coincidental that the US public is one of Israels strongest supporters and they are also the only one that Israel hired a PR firm to control public perception in?
Maybe it's just a massive coincidence but to me it shows the power of propaganda!
Not that it's the Americans fault, any European country would have probably reacted the same way to those levels of propaganda...
Propaganda is only part of the battle, but you know what really loses a side its credibility?
Terrorism.
comment by Cinciwolf (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Propaganda is only part of the battle, but you know what really loses a side its credibility?
Terrorism.
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Tbh Israel has always killed far more civilians than the other way around so I'm not sure that's a really valid argument...
Unless military's killing civilians is somehow worse than non military's killing civilians....
To me it's just the same, wearing a uniform and representing a country doesn't suddenly make it okay....
That is unless you have a really good PR firm to spin it just right for you
To you it may be, but the point you were making about PR is what i am getting at.
If one uses its military in responding to terrorism it is no surprise the military nation gets support is it.
One side has valid reasons, whether we agree with the heavy handedness of them or not, to destroy tunnels and hit rocket launch sites.
One side kidnaps soldiers, blows up buses and spends its money funding tunnels and rockets instead of taking care of its countries needs.
Its not really difficult to figure out why many don't sympathise with Hamas, and Palestine suffers as a result, get rid of Hamas and things will improve drastically.
What the hell is wrong with capturing a soldier on your territory?!
I assume you wouldn't have a problem with Israel arresting members of Hamas?!
Secondly your wrong, despite their terrorist status Mandela and the other anti apartheid terrorists eventually got the publics backing.
In fairness the racist SA government wasn't smart enough to hire a pr agency in the USA to warp public opinion in the worlds superpower in their favour and that's where the difference lies...
If one uses its military in responding to terrorism it is no surprise the military nation gets support is it.
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Such terrorism does not occur in a vacuum and is a direct response to military occupation and subjugation. Besides, historically terrorism is used by the weak as they lack the necessary resources and power to engage in 'legitimate' military action, or the PR to disguise their intentions.
One side kidnaps soldiers, blows up buses and spends its money funding tunnels and rockets instead of taking care of its countries needs.
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The IDF 'kidnap' Hamas militants too. They also blow up ambulances, schools and shelters and carry out targeted killings of unarmed protesters. Granted they don't spend their own money investing in their military infrastructure, but then that's one of the perks of receiving $3bn military aid a year from the most powerful nation in the world.
You guys are right.
Hamas are awesome and do no wrong, its all Israel
Of course they do wrong. Just pointing out the inconsistency in your last post.
Cinci I ask again what the hell is wrong with Hamas capturing a soldier on their own territory?!
Are you really that biased that the Palestinians cannot even capture opposing soldiers on their territory?
For god sake man how the hell are the Palestinians supposed to resist as your eyes any action they take is somehow evil when any military in the world would capture opposing soldiers on their territory!!
Don't you realise how biased against the Palestinians that is?!?
What's wrong with it?
Small matter of a cease fire, why do something so daft at that time when your people need a chance to help themselves?
Tunnels were to be destroyed during the ceasefire, Palestine agreed to this. And destroying tunnels which should be there is not an aggressive act. Even Hamas acknowledge it shouldn't have happened an its a satellite group and miscommunication responsible.
Benayoun is a Disgrace
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posted on 2/8/14
Some of our governments hide behind the "extremist" labels, which most of the public deem the reality as "conspiracy theories".... This is what happens when the average man (in uk anyway) watches an average of 45 hours of television per week...... The corporate news flow is designed to make you find social organization undesirable mate and makes you obedient; it shreds your desire to revolt, to stand up, to even speak, you just sit there and listen to commands.......
posted on 2/8/14
The corporate news flow, sound just like the mad mullahs ... touche' !
posted on 2/8/14
Mmm, some interesting points on here, and they are getting even more interesting.. Keep posting.
posted on 2/8/14
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posted on 2/8/14
Always the USA
Given how power hungry they are its weird they didn't just take over Europe in either world war when they clearly could have isn't it?!?
Clearly just a Muslim vendetta though
posted on 2/8/14
In case anyone has ever wondered why Israel gets a lot more support in the USA than other countries...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428959/
Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land
______________________________________
http://electronicintifada.net/content/new-documentary-takes-israeli-palestinian-conflict-coverage-task/5037
Anyone who has read more than a handful of U.S. news reports on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict knows what these orthodoxies are. No historical context regarding the illegality of Israel’s colonizing settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip is provided. Israel retaliates, while Palestinians provoke. Yasser Arafat inexplicably turned down Ehud Barak’s unprecedented generous offer and incited the current intifada out of spite towards Israel. The United States is an impartial peace broker. Relative quiet exists when it’s only Palestinians who are dying. What is missing from the coverage is what it means for Palestinians to endure checkpoints and curfews, as well as Israeli voices of dissent, and the billions of dollars the U.S. gives to Israel each year. But why are these conventions so pervasive in the media?
Peace, Propaganda, and the Promised Land presents a different answer to this question than the standard pro-Palestinian response pointing to the AIPAC/Israeli lobby influence. The film illustrates the series of filters “through which the news must travel before it emerges in the voices of news anchors” as an inverted pyramid. The largest filter is the international business interests of the corporations who own the media, then the political elites who have the power to grant access to reporters, the third filter being Israel’s PR campaign and consulates, and the private American organizations (both Christian and Jewish) like AIPAC, and lastly watchdog organizations like CAMERA.
___________________________________
Also an interesting take on how a strong propaganda campaign can make such a difference between countries views in general.
posted on 2/8/14
Why were hamas backing Assad?
Egypt regard hamas as terrorists,and blockade the border,so Israel is not alone in being dubious about hamas intentions.
Yesterday,the killing and kidnapping of soldiers during the ceasefire was ok,because they had crossed into Gaza land........it is a war,fair enough,but have you seen the Egypt/Israel border?
That is weird how a border can be perfectly straight for hundreds of miles,and those who speak of precise Palestinian,Arab,or Israeli lands are being naïve.
posted on 2/8/14
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posted on 2/8/14
I think pressure is being applied on Israel to reduce innocent deaths,from the US,UK,Europe etc.........who is telling hamas etc to wind it down?
Just askin.
posted on 2/8/14
comment by #Forza (U19575)
posted 20 seconds ago
the coverage of this in US is very impartial imo.
they do not comment on who is right or wrong, just report what is happening, like news should be.
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this in spades.
But as ever, if the USA say and do nothing they are bad, if they get involved they are bad
posted on 2/8/14
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posted on 2/8/14
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posted on 2/8/14
Cal
I am genuinely confused here,mate.
Who did hamas back in Syria and Egypt,if anyone can enlighten me.
I know the muslim brotherhood and hamas were linked,and now Egypt is anti-hamas,in govt circles there.
Then hezbollah were getting involved on an unexpected side...........I am losing the plot here.
Then ISIS split from AQ,and are now Islamic State,hell bent on creating a sunni extremist land,from Syria to Iraq,thus killing,shia,kurd or Christian.
Man,the whole place is a mess!
posted on 2/8/14
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posted on 2/8/14
comment by #Forza (U19575)
posted 45 minutes ago
the coverage of this in US is very impartial imo.
they do not comment on who is right or wrong, just report what is happening, like news should be.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You do not find it at all coincidental that the US public is one of Israels strongest supporters and they are also the only one that Israel hired a PR firm to control public perception in?
Maybe it's just a massive coincidence but to me it shows the power of propaganda!
Not that it's the Americans fault, any European country would have probably reacted the same way to those levels of propaganda...
posted on 2/8/14
Propaganda is only part of the battle, but you know what really loses a side its credibility?
Terrorism.
posted on 2/8/14
comment by Cinciwolf (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Propaganda is only part of the battle, but you know what really loses a side its credibility?
Terrorism.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Tbh Israel has always killed far more civilians than the other way around so I'm not sure that's a really valid argument...
Unless military's killing civilians is somehow worse than non military's killing civilians....
To me it's just the same, wearing a uniform and representing a country doesn't suddenly make it okay....
That is unless you have a really good PR firm to spin it just right for you
posted on 2/8/14
To you it may be, but the point you were making about PR is what i am getting at.
If one uses its military in responding to terrorism it is no surprise the military nation gets support is it.
One side has valid reasons, whether we agree with the heavy handedness of them or not, to destroy tunnels and hit rocket launch sites.
One side kidnaps soldiers, blows up buses and spends its money funding tunnels and rockets instead of taking care of its countries needs.
Its not really difficult to figure out why many don't sympathise with Hamas, and Palestine suffers as a result, get rid of Hamas and things will improve drastically.
posted on 2/8/14
What the hell is wrong with capturing a soldier on your territory?!
I assume you wouldn't have a problem with Israel arresting members of Hamas?!
Secondly your wrong, despite their terrorist status Mandela and the other anti apartheid terrorists eventually got the publics backing.
In fairness the racist SA government wasn't smart enough to hire a pr agency in the USA to warp public opinion in the worlds superpower in their favour and that's where the difference lies...
posted on 2/8/14
If one uses its military in responding to terrorism it is no surprise the military nation gets support is it.
---------------------------
Such terrorism does not occur in a vacuum and is a direct response to military occupation and subjugation. Besides, historically terrorism is used by the weak as they lack the necessary resources and power to engage in 'legitimate' military action, or the PR to disguise their intentions.
posted on 2/8/14
One side kidnaps soldiers, blows up buses and spends its money funding tunnels and rockets instead of taking care of its countries needs.
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The IDF 'kidnap' Hamas militants too. They also blow up ambulances, schools and shelters and carry out targeted killings of unarmed protesters. Granted they don't spend their own money investing in their military infrastructure, but then that's one of the perks of receiving $3bn military aid a year from the most powerful nation in the world.
posted on 2/8/14
You guys are right.
Hamas are awesome and do no wrong, its all Israel
posted on 2/8/14
Of course they do wrong. Just pointing out the inconsistency in your last post.
posted on 2/8/14
Cinci I ask again what the hell is wrong with Hamas capturing a soldier on their own territory?!
Are you really that biased that the Palestinians cannot even capture opposing soldiers on their territory?
For god sake man how the hell are the Palestinians supposed to resist as your eyes any action they take is somehow evil when any military in the world would capture opposing soldiers on their territory!!
Don't you realise how biased against the Palestinians that is?!?
posted on 2/8/14
What's wrong with it?
Small matter of a cease fire, why do something so daft at that time when your people need a chance to help themselves?
Tunnels were to be destroyed during the ceasefire, Palestine agreed to this. And destroying tunnels which should be there is not an aggressive act. Even Hamas acknowledge it shouldn't have happened an its a satellite group and miscommunication responsible.
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