They won the champions cup, they're gonna win the league bro
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
They won the champions cup, they're gonna win the league bro
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and the FA cup and the Carling cup
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
But we have the advantage of a manager doing well and already settled.
No doubt Suarez will be missed but we also managed to do well in the games he was missing last season.
I would be happy with another top 4 finish but am hoping for a repeat title challenge.
Cara,
I think you put too much faith in BR tbh. He's still tactically naïve as he showed against Palace (not having a dig, honestly).
In that game, the 3pts were vital but he blew it chasing the goal difference! Bringing on VicMo when all he really had to do was shut up shop is a sign that he's still a tad 'green'.
I'm sure he's learnt from that though
As I said in the other thread. This isn't a double standard. It's not a direct comparison
We added a poor manager to the first place team and dropped to 7th. Pretty clear what the issue was here so we replaced the weak link with a manager with a much higher pedigree.
Brendan Rodger's tactics and Suarez's player of the season performance led you to 2nd. You can't simply say your best player leaving wont be a big loss just because your manager is still there. Remember, he hasn't won anything yet, with or without Suarez
If Suarez is less important than Rodgers then why 7th in his first season?
Rodgers like Wenger, Martinez and Fergie want to play attractive football.
But you need really top players for that, he lost one of the best.
Who said suarez isnt a loss, its more yoy lot saying we have loads of crap players and he got us there by himself.
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 10 minutes ago
Cara,
I think you put too much faith in BR tbh. He's still tactically naïve as he showed against Palace (not having a dig, honestly).
In that game, the 3pts were vital but he blew it chasing the goal difference! Bringing on VicMo when all he really had to do was shut up shop is a sign that he's still a tad 'green'.
I'm sure he's learnt from that though
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ButTUX in reality the 3 points wouldn't have won us the league, it would have meant that City would have had to win the final game a draw wouldn't have been enough but in hindsight they won easily on the final day.
Maybe a bit more pressure may have told but we needed goals, 3 points wouldn't have been enough although I do think we would have been better of winning.
I put so much faith in Brendan because I've scrutinized him so closely, one game v Palace is a bit much to say he is naive, would you say Wenger or Pelligrini were naive when they came to Anfled and got beaten, Wenger especially for playing a high line? one game is a bit unfair to judge a manager on IMO.
I could be wrong but I still see Brendan as the main reason we have done so well in the past 18 months. Suarez is one player but Brendan has built a team and a style of play, one player cannot have all that influence on a team IMO.
Our defence just fell to bits in that game and we knew wed lost the league the game before
Suarez is one player but Brendan has built a team and a style of play, one player cannot have all that influence on a team IMO.
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A team which was praised for it's brilliant attacking play and criticized for having a sloppy defence.
You've now lost the main cog in that attack, and Liverpool fans know that Suarez's runs and energy played a part in literally every single on of your attacks. That's quite a big loss. He even scored more than Bale or Ronaldo did in their last seasons in England.
That, coupled with the fact that teams will be wary of Liverpool's threat, the new CL distraction, and increased competition from a different United side, is why I think Liverpool will struggle this season
Yeah defence wont improve ect ect bore off
Werent to bad first half on tuesday, ran your first 11 baring rvp ragged with half our 11 until we made subs
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Werent to bad first half on tuesday, ran your first 11 baring rvp ragged with half our 11 until we made subs
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Ran us ragged? Calm down a little bit.
You looked good in a preseason game but lost. And you didn't make any subs until after we were 2-1 up
as shown against palace
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No about it as I stated so ta ta
Cara, the 3pts were paramount bud. For sure City pretty much held the advantage in the final few weeks but dropping 2pts in a game you had in the bag was poor, and the blame lies squarely at the feet of BR. To lose the title to a club that can put out two first teams is far from a disgrace considering where you've been for a while but BR has now not only lost one of the best players in the world, he also has to fight on two fronts.
I hope he does it but I just can't see it happening
comment by Isle of Manc - Year of the Januzaj (U18323)
posted 4 minutes ago
As I said in the other thread. This isn't a double standard. It's not a direct comparison
We added a poor manager to the first place team and dropped to 7th. Pretty clear what the issue was here so we replaced the weak link with a manager with a much higher pedigree.
Brendan Rodger's tactics and Suarez's player of the season performance led you to 2nd. You can't simply say your best player leaving wont be a big loss just because your manager is still there. Remember, he hasn't won anything yet, with or without Suarez
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Isle first off I'm a very bright person, no need for insults (on the other thread)here lets just debate fair enough?
I know you dodn't make the point re Moyes that was someone else however it's a valid point and I agree 100% that getting LVG in will improve you.
Yes loosing Suarez is going to have an impact on us, any team with him is better then one without him.
But I can point to many positives the team have displayed taking Suarez out of the equation, for example we have a 20 goal a season striker in Sturridge, a player who has consistently improved for 18 months since we signed him, so it's not like we are loosing our only player capable of scoring 20 plus goals, we have a player ready to step up and be our main man for want of a better term.
We also have a defined style and system we can play in the 433, the two strikers we played so often last season wont be seen as often it was unique to Luis and Studge.
Now this means we won't score 100 plus goals, however, and this is crucial, if you look back on last season we conceded far less goals playing 433, so while we may not score as many goals we will most likely not conceded as many too, one impacts the other, the more we scored the more we conceded due to they system.
So we tweak the style (a style we are already comfortable playing) to suit the players, BR did this last season to great affect, this makes me, and many other reds, feel that BR is the main influence on the team, he set his team up to get 30 plus goals out of Luis by making him the focal point, but we can switch to 433 and not score so many but also not concede as many, as an example I can point to the first 3 games last season, Studge played as the central striker and we won each game 1-0.
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 21 minutes ago
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
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Also LvG is a better manager than Rodgers in the first place
comment by Brendan Rodgers
And His Transsexual
Transgressions (U1308)
===
Da Fook?!?
If Rogers showed any tactical naivety then it was against Chelsea where a draw would have sufficed.
Instead he tried to go for the win and we were ruthlessly exposed by a damn good Chelsea side
Getting us to a title challenge after all that time in the wilderness shows that Rodgers is anything but technically naive. He makes mistakes like everyone else but I dont think he is naive.
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 21 minutes ago
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
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Also LvG is a better manager than Rodgers in the first place
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Well LvG needs to take United to al least 2nd then as Liverpool were also languishing in 7th.
Double standards from the Mancs is nothing new. In the early part of last season it wasn't Moyes fault. It was his old fashioned, fearful and negative football to blame. They blamed the players. The same players who finished 1st the season before. They were past it, or they weren't trying hard enough. They weren't good enough anymore. Moyes was chosen by Ferguson so he had to be the right man; it's all the players fault. They wanted to show that they were loyal and patient fans. They had digs at us for turning on Hodgson. So they wanted to show they were better than us. It didn't take long for it to change thought. Soon enough the knives were out, Moyes was to blame. Players were fine again. Mostly the same group of players under LVG will now go on to challenge for the league again.
Rogers is a good coach and people manager but I think is tactically outmatched by really top managers like LVG. Might improve over time but as is I think in the really big games he looks a little lost.
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
Double standards from the Mancs is nothing new. In the early part of last season it wasn't Moyes fault. It was his old fashioned, fearful and negative football to blame. They blamed the players. The same players who finished 1st the season before. They were past it, or they weren't trying hard enough. They weren't good enough anymore. Moyes was chosen by Ferguson so he had to be the right man; it's all the players fault. They wanted to show that they were loyal and patient fans. They had digs at us for turning on Hodgson. So they wanted to show they were better than us. It didn't take long for it to change thought. Soon enough the knives were out, Moyes was to blame. Players were fine again. Mostly the same group of players under LVG will now go on to challenge for the league again.
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In summary, Moyes was given the benefit of the doubt and a chance to put his stamp on the team until it became painfully obvious that he wasn't the right man for the job.
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posted on 7/8/14
They won the champions cup, they're gonna win the league bro
posted on 7/8/14
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
They won the champions cup, they're gonna win the league bro
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and the FA cup and the Carling cup
posted on 7/8/14
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
posted on 7/8/14
But we have the advantage of a manager doing well and already settled.
No doubt Suarez will be missed but we also managed to do well in the games he was missing last season.
I would be happy with another top 4 finish but am hoping for a repeat title challenge.
posted on 7/8/14
Cara,
I think you put too much faith in BR tbh. He's still tactically naïve as he showed against Palace (not having a dig, honestly).
In that game, the 3pts were vital but he blew it chasing the goal difference! Bringing on VicMo when all he really had to do was shut up shop is a sign that he's still a tad 'green'.
I'm sure he's learnt from that though
posted on 7/8/14
as shown against palace
posted on 7/8/14
As I said in the other thread. This isn't a double standard. It's not a direct comparison
We added a poor manager to the first place team and dropped to 7th. Pretty clear what the issue was here so we replaced the weak link with a manager with a much higher pedigree.
Brendan Rodger's tactics and Suarez's player of the season performance led you to 2nd. You can't simply say your best player leaving wont be a big loss just because your manager is still there. Remember, he hasn't won anything yet, with or without Suarez
posted on 7/8/14
If Suarez is less important than Rodgers then why 7th in his first season?
Rodgers like Wenger, Martinez and Fergie want to play attractive football.
But you need really top players for that, he lost one of the best.
posted on 7/8/14
Who said suarez isnt a loss, its more yoy lot saying we have loads of crap players and he got us there by himself.
posted on 7/8/14
comment by TUX (U5315)
posted 10 minutes ago
Cara,
I think you put too much faith in BR tbh. He's still tactically naïve as he showed against Palace (not having a dig, honestly).
In that game, the 3pts were vital but he blew it chasing the goal difference! Bringing on VicMo when all he really had to do was shut up shop is a sign that he's still a tad 'green'.
I'm sure he's learnt from that though
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ButTUX in reality the 3 points wouldn't have won us the league, it would have meant that City would have had to win the final game a draw wouldn't have been enough but in hindsight they won easily on the final day.
Maybe a bit more pressure may have told but we needed goals, 3 points wouldn't have been enough although I do think we would have been better of winning.
I put so much faith in Brendan because I've scrutinized him so closely, one game v Palace is a bit much to say he is naive, would you say Wenger or Pelligrini were naive when they came to Anfled and got beaten, Wenger especially for playing a high line? one game is a bit unfair to judge a manager on IMO.
I could be wrong but I still see Brendan as the main reason we have done so well in the past 18 months. Suarez is one player but Brendan has built a team and a style of play, one player cannot have all that influence on a team IMO.
posted on 7/8/14
Our defence just fell to bits in that game and we knew wed lost the league the game before
posted on 7/8/14
Suarez is one player but Brendan has built a team and a style of play, one player cannot have all that influence on a team IMO.
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A team which was praised for it's brilliant attacking play and criticized for having a sloppy defence.
You've now lost the main cog in that attack, and Liverpool fans know that Suarez's runs and energy played a part in literally every single on of your attacks. That's quite a big loss. He even scored more than Bale or Ronaldo did in their last seasons in England.
That, coupled with the fact that teams will be wary of Liverpool's threat, the new CL distraction, and increased competition from a different United side, is why I think Liverpool will struggle this season
posted on 7/8/14
Yeah defence wont improve ect ect bore off
posted on 7/8/14
Werent to bad first half on tuesday, ran your first 11 baring rvp ragged with half our 11 until we made subs
posted on 7/8/14
comment by John Henrys Explosive Offense (U18764)
posted 3 minutes ago
Werent to bad first half on tuesday, ran your first 11 baring rvp ragged with half our 11 until we made subs
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Ran us ragged? Calm down a little bit.
You looked good in a preseason game but lost. And you didn't make any subs until after we were 2-1 up
posted on 7/8/14
as shown against palace
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No about it as I stated so ta ta
Cara, the 3pts were paramount bud. For sure City pretty much held the advantage in the final few weeks but dropping 2pts in a game you had in the bag was poor, and the blame lies squarely at the feet of BR. To lose the title to a club that can put out two first teams is far from a disgrace considering where you've been for a while but BR has now not only lost one of the best players in the world, he also has to fight on two fronts.
I hope he does it but I just can't see it happening
posted on 7/8/14
comment by Isle of Manc - Year of the Januzaj (U18323)
posted 4 minutes ago
As I said in the other thread. This isn't a double standard. It's not a direct comparison
We added a poor manager to the first place team and dropped to 7th. Pretty clear what the issue was here so we replaced the weak link with a manager with a much higher pedigree.
Brendan Rodger's tactics and Suarez's player of the season performance led you to 2nd. You can't simply say your best player leaving wont be a big loss just because your manager is still there. Remember, he hasn't won anything yet, with or without Suarez
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Isle first off I'm a very bright person, no need for insults (on the other thread)here lets just debate fair enough?
I know you dodn't make the point re Moyes that was someone else however it's a valid point and I agree 100% that getting LVG in will improve you.
Yes loosing Suarez is going to have an impact on us, any team with him is better then one without him.
But I can point to many positives the team have displayed taking Suarez out of the equation, for example we have a 20 goal a season striker in Sturridge, a player who has consistently improved for 18 months since we signed him, so it's not like we are loosing our only player capable of scoring 20 plus goals, we have a player ready to step up and be our main man for want of a better term.
We also have a defined style and system we can play in the 433, the two strikers we played so often last season wont be seen as often it was unique to Luis and Studge.
Now this means we won't score 100 plus goals, however, and this is crucial, if you look back on last season we conceded far less goals playing 433, so while we may not score as many goals we will most likely not conceded as many too, one impacts the other, the more we scored the more we conceded due to they system.
So we tweak the style (a style we are already comfortable playing) to suit the players, BR did this last season to great affect, this makes me, and many other reds, feel that BR is the main influence on the team, he set his team up to get 30 plus goals out of Luis by making him the focal point, but we can switch to 433 and not score so many but also not concede as many, as an example I can point to the first 3 games last season, Studge played as the central striker and we won each game 1-0.
posted on 7/8/14
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 21 minutes ago
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
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Also LvG is a better manager than Rodgers in the first place
posted on 7/8/14
comment by Brendan Rodgers
And His Transsexual
Transgressions (U1308)
===
Da Fook?!?
posted on 7/8/14
If Rogers showed any tactical naivety then it was against Chelsea where a draw would have sufficed.
Instead he tried to go for the win and we were ruthlessly exposed by a damn good Chelsea side
posted on 7/8/14
Getting us to a title challenge after all that time in the wilderness shows that Rodgers is anything but technically naive. He makes mistakes like everyone else but I dont think he is naive.
posted on 7/8/14
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84 (U11181)
posted 21 minutes ago
United won the league the year before. Dane set of players plus Fellaini finish 7th the year after. Think it is pretty obvious what the problems were.
You have had your best season under Rodgers but lost your world class player in Suarez. Different to compare. You have made some potential good buys but it will be interesting to see how you do this year. Personally think that the loss of Suarez will have an effect, how big is the question.
City and Chelsea are my favourites for the top two. 3rd-5th will between United, Arsenal and Liverpool. I think it is an advantage for us with less games (and hopefully less injuries). Think we will get into the top 4. Also it seems that the players are buying into LVG and his system, something not seen under Moyes.
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Also LvG is a better manager than Rodgers in the first place
=====
Well LvG needs to take United to al least 2nd then as Liverpool were also languishing in 7th.
posted on 7/8/14
Double standards from the Mancs is nothing new. In the early part of last season it wasn't Moyes fault. It was his old fashioned, fearful and negative football to blame. They blamed the players. The same players who finished 1st the season before. They were past it, or they weren't trying hard enough. They weren't good enough anymore. Moyes was chosen by Ferguson so he had to be the right man; it's all the players fault. They wanted to show that they were loyal and patient fans. They had digs at us for turning on Hodgson. So they wanted to show they were better than us. It didn't take long for it to change thought. Soon enough the knives were out, Moyes was to blame. Players were fine again. Mostly the same group of players under LVG will now go on to challenge for the league again.
posted on 7/8/14
Rogers is a good coach and people manager but I think is tactically outmatched by really top managers like LVG. Might improve over time but as is I think in the really big games he looks a little lost.
posted on 7/8/14
comment by FatJanMolby *I'm a boogie monster* (U4297)
posted 1 minute ago
Double standards from the Mancs is nothing new. In the early part of last season it wasn't Moyes fault. It was his old fashioned, fearful and negative football to blame. They blamed the players. The same players who finished 1st the season before. They were past it, or they weren't trying hard enough. They weren't good enough anymore. Moyes was chosen by Ferguson so he had to be the right man; it's all the players fault. They wanted to show that they were loyal and patient fans. They had digs at us for turning on Hodgson. So they wanted to show they were better than us. It didn't take long for it to change thought. Soon enough the knives were out, Moyes was to blame. Players were fine again. Mostly the same group of players under LVG will now go on to challenge for the league again.
-----------------------------
In summary, Moyes was given the benefit of the doubt and a chance to put his stamp on the team until it became painfully obvious that he wasn't the right man for the job.
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