People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market. There are exceptions (e.g. Angel di Maria) where the buyer is desperate but in most cases the value of the player is depressed when a player moves down the food chain, and inflated when he moves up.
Think about it: if we're selling Player A to anyone who will take him, there are multiple clubs worse than us (potentially big market). They have less to spend than us on fees and wages, they know we don't regard the player as good enough for our needs and potentially not justifying the salary they are on. They know we want to get rid of the player to make space in the squad. All of those factors strengthen the negotiating hand of the buyer. If there is a lot of competition for the player, that can help the selling club.
When the player is moving 'upwards' in the industry, the opposite is true. The selling club is reluctant to lose his talents. The selling club knows the buyer rates the player highly, by definition seeing him as good enough to play at a higher level. They can say, "If you think he is a Manchester United player, you need to pay for a Manchester United player." They know the buying club has money (at least in our case).
There are exceptions to this rule. ADM was expensive because he was genuinely world class and we were desperate to bring in a player like that. For us right now the risks of not getting back into the elite are greater than the risks of over-spending. But for every ADM deal, there are far more deals such as Sneijder and Robben leaving Madrid.
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Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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I think you're missing the point. He's out of favour which other clubs know, they know that they can get him on the cheap because he's simply not needed.
He hasn't performed for you, yes he's going to have some value because everybody knows that at the right club he'll be class but you can't buy someone for £12m-£16m, see him play cack for your club and then expect a profit.
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Because Woodward is a terrible negotiator. You spent £60M on Di Maria ffs.
All these prices are bang on.
To actually make any money on Cleverly is heroic and should be appluaded.
Kagawa, as everyone has said, has, for 2 years, looked like a 5-6 million pound player. So to get the supposed 8? Excellent business.
Wellbeck is a tricky one, he's mostly a donkey, but with flashes of potential, at a good age. 12-15 would be great business.
Same goes Hernandez for that matter. We need more from players in this system and Hernandez out of the box looks like a championship player. If we can get anywhere near 10 for him we'll have done very well.
i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Thing is, Dortmund have replaced Kagawa and continued to look a good side. Bringing him back could be seen as worth doing to strengthen their squad if he's available at a bargain price. They know that to United he is not of £20 million value and taking up squad and salary space. If our need to get rid is quite strong and they are not desperate to buy him, the market conditions favour the buyer. That could all change if competition for Kagawa flushed out the fact that Dortmund actually want him a lot more.
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Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
Lucky you don't pick the team then.
i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did
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You also don't see the players in training.
I'm gutted that Kagawa hasn't worked out. I was thrilled by his signing. But we can't just take Kagawa's Dortmund performances and say it's everyone else's fault that he hasn't worked out at United, or ignore the last two seasons when coming up with a valuation of the player.
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Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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Fair enough if that's what you would have done but the club haven't done that and so you're simply not going to get the money. 3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
Kagawa isn't physical enough for the league.
Rooney and Mata are proven to be quality #10s (I rate Rooney higher, but that's another article). Why would you drop both of them, for a guy who looked good in Germany, 2 years ago?
you paid 18m for Ashley young.
that makes 17mill for paulinho look like outstanding business
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Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
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^ this is it..why do we buy players and never play them in their favoured position few examples jones/smalling being used as RB, DM, kagawa LM,CM, fellaini fack knows what his position is, then we had the likes of anderson, alan smith (anyone remember him),
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
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In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
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In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
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posted 35 seconds ago
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
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^ this is it..why do we buy players and never play them in their favoured position few examples jones/smalling being used as RB, DM, kagawa LM,CM, fellaini fack knows what his position is, then we had the likes of anderson, alan smith (anyone remember him),
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I also think this is your main issue. you bought a class player like mata, and then totally misused him.
gross mismanagement be all concerned.
It was PSG that came in for Luiz as compared to Dortmund who lets just say are not exactly loaded.
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posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 3 seconds ago
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
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In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
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Dortmund aren't a small club. I'd argue bigger than PSG.
I'd report that speccy tw at klopp for tapping him, he's always talking him up in the press
comment by Mamba - Here's one for you to suck on - Real Sosobad (U1282) (U13041) posted 22 seconds ago
It was PSG that came in for Luiz as compared to Dortmund who lets just say are not exactly loaded.
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yet they sold luiz for £50m
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comment by conormcgrace (U4307)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 3 seconds ago
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
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In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
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Dortmund aren't a small club. I'd argue bigger than PSG.
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By comparison to United (the selling club) they are. The two clubs aren't on a par.
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I'd report that speccy tw at klopp for tapping him, he's always talking him up in the press
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We have to keep Klopp sweet.
Reus' contact runs out next summer, and we want him.
Hummels contract runs out the summer after, and we want him too...
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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As I said, there are exceptions, especially when the buying club is rich and desperate.
I don't think all of those players are good examples. For a start, none of them are quite what you'd call the deadwood, who have failed to make the grade and now need to sink down a level. They are all top international footballers who were bought by ambitious, rich clubs who saw the purchases as a stepping stone to the next level.
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posted on 29/8/14
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market. There are exceptions (e.g. Angel di Maria) where the buyer is desperate but in most cases the value of the player is depressed when a player moves down the food chain, and inflated when he moves up.
Think about it: if we're selling Player A to anyone who will take him, there are multiple clubs worse than us (potentially big market). They have less to spend than us on fees and wages, they know we don't regard the player as good enough for our needs and potentially not justifying the salary they are on. They know we want to get rid of the player to make space in the squad. All of those factors strengthen the negotiating hand of the buyer. If there is a lot of competition for the player, that can help the selling club.
When the player is moving 'upwards' in the industry, the opposite is true. The selling club is reluctant to lose his talents. The selling club knows the buyer rates the player highly, by definition seeing him as good enough to play at a higher level. They can say, "If you think he is a Manchester United player, you need to pay for a Manchester United player." They know the buying club has money (at least in our case).
There are exceptions to this rule. ADM was expensive because he was genuinely world class and we were desperate to bring in a player like that. For us right now the risks of not getting back into the elite are greater than the risks of over-spending. But for every ADM deal, there are far more deals such as Sneijder and Robben leaving Madrid.
posted on 29/8/14
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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I think you're missing the point. He's out of favour which other clubs know, they know that they can get him on the cheap because he's simply not needed.
He hasn't performed for you, yes he's going to have some value because everybody knows that at the right club he'll be class but you can't buy someone for £12m-£16m, see him play cack for your club and then expect a profit.
posted on 29/8/14
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posted on 29/8/14
Because Woodward is a terrible negotiator. You spent £60M on Di Maria ffs.
posted on 29/8/14
All these prices are bang on.
To actually make any money on Cleverly is heroic and should be appluaded.
Kagawa, as everyone has said, has, for 2 years, looked like a 5-6 million pound player. So to get the supposed 8? Excellent business.
Wellbeck is a tricky one, he's mostly a donkey, but with flashes of potential, at a good age. 12-15 would be great business.
Same goes Hernandez for that matter. We need more from players in this system and Hernandez out of the box looks like a championship player. If we can get anywhere near 10 for him we'll have done very well.
posted on 29/8/14
i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Thing is, Dortmund have replaced Kagawa and continued to look a good side. Bringing him back could be seen as worth doing to strengthen their squad if he's available at a bargain price. They know that to United he is not of £20 million value and taking up squad and salary space. If our need to get rid is quite strong and they are not desperate to buy him, the market conditions favour the buyer. That could all change if competition for Kagawa flushed out the fact that Dortmund actually want him a lot more.
posted on 29/8/14
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
posted on 29/8/14
Lucky you don't pick the team then.
posted on 29/8/14
i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did
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You also don't see the players in training.
I'm gutted that Kagawa hasn't worked out. I was thrilled by his signing. But we can't just take Kagawa's Dortmund performances and say it's everyone else's fault that he hasn't worked out at United, or ignore the last two seasons when coming up with a valuation of the player.
posted on 29/8/14
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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Fair enough if that's what you would have done but the club haven't done that and so you're simply not going to get the money. 3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
posted on 29/8/14
Kagawa isn't physical enough for the league.
Rooney and Mata are proven to be quality #10s (I rate Rooney higher, but that's another article). Why would you drop both of them, for a guy who looked good in Germany, 2 years ago?
posted on 29/8/14
Goodbye Evil Kagawa
posted on 29/8/14
you paid 18m for Ashley young.
that makes 17mill for paulinho look like outstanding business
posted on 29/8/14
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posted 35 seconds ago
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posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
^ this is it..why do we buy players and never play them in their favoured position few examples jones/smalling being used as RB, DM, kagawa LM,CM, fellaini fack knows what his position is, then we had the likes of anderson, alan smith (anyone remember him),
posted on 29/8/14
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
__________________________________________
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
posted on 29/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 3 seconds ago
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
__________________________________________
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
posted on 29/8/14
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 14 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Viva_Ronaldo (U19085)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by The Guvnor V.I.K II-Frankenstein's Monster (U12889)
posted 20 seconds ago
Yes kagawa was impressive at dortmund but last time i checked he is a united player and he hasnt shown anything like his form at dortmund.
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i'll repeat it again has kagawa had proper chance to show what he can do in his FAVOURITE position
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Well why do you think he didnt get a chance? He wasnt good enough thats why.
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i don't choose the team but on the other hand if i did i would have given kagawa a proper chance. during moyes era we were lacking creativity. i would have shifted rooney to the left, played rvp up top and played kagawa in AM role. see how that goes for few games and nothing happend then swap rooney position for kagawa. But, i would definitely given kagawa achance to see what he can do
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3 different managers now have decided not to utilise him in his most effective position for whatever reason. I think that says it all.
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^ this is it..why do we buy players and never play them in their favoured position few examples jones/smalling being used as RB, DM, kagawa LM,CM, fellaini fack knows what his position is, then we had the likes of anderson, alan smith (anyone remember him),
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I also think this is your main issue. you bought a class player like mata, and then totally misused him.
gross mismanagement be all concerned.
posted on 29/8/14
It was PSG that came in for Luiz as compared to Dortmund who lets just say are not exactly loaded.
posted on 29/8/14
comment by conormcgrace (U4307)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 3 seconds ago
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
__________________________________________
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
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Dortmund aren't a small club. I'd argue bigger than PSG.
posted on 29/8/14
I'd report that speccy tw at klopp for tapping him, he's always talking him up in the press
posted on 29/8/14
comment by Mamba - Here's one for you to suck on - Real Sosobad (U1282) (U13041) posted 22 seconds ago
It was PSG that came in for Luiz as compared to Dortmund who lets just say are not exactly loaded.
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yet they sold luiz for £50m
posted on 29/8/14
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by conormcgrace (U4307)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Busbybabes (U9083)
posted 3 seconds ago
People on here often overlook the dynamic which decrees that when a bigger club offloads an unwanted player, it tends to be a buyer's market.
__________________________________________
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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The difference being that each were being sold to similarly sized or bigger clubs.
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Dortmund aren't a small club. I'd argue bigger than PSG.
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By comparison to United (the selling club) they are. The two clubs aren't on a par.
posted on 29/8/14
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 6 seconds ago
I'd report that speccy tw at klopp for tapping him, he's always talking him up in the press
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We have to keep Klopp sweet.
Reus' contact runs out next summer, and we want him.
Hummels contract runs out the summer after, and we want him too...
posted on 29/8/14
In recent years players like Ozil, Luiz, Thiago Fabregas, Sanchez and Mata have all gone for big fees in spite of not being requires by their club.
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As I said, there are exceptions, especially when the buying club is rich and desperate.
I don't think all of those players are good examples. For a start, none of them are quite what you'd call the deadwood, who have failed to make the grade and now need to sink down a level. They are all top international footballers who were bought by ambitious, rich clubs who saw the purchases as a stepping stone to the next level.
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