4 - AC Milan most likely sell all of their tickets for a reasonable value. West Ham are likely going to struggle to fill it after the first half a season/full season once the novelty of it wears off. That is why it was ignored in that respect.
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Even though Spurs are charging highest season ticket(per game), what percentage of their total revenues coming from gate receipts?
Numbers makes everything...ground size DOES matter. The number of users visit this website makes it more valuable than the actual purpose it serves.
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 46 seconds ago
Rubbish...............................QPR are going to be fined, if they then get relegated they come under the auspices of the FL.
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How is it rubbish? When the rules were made, QPR weren't under Football League? Please, if you don't know the law and it's power, you better close your shop.
AS Monaco were/are in debt. But, this debt written down by the owner, just like Chelsea. Again, why do you think Fernandez won't be writing their debt off?
The profits from San Siro will be shared by two clubs.Again, with your football knowledge, tell me how many times in a year San Siro gets filled? And, how do you know West Ham are not going to fill their stadium?
I had enough of listening to your rubbish. Next time provide some useful links for your claims.
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If they are not liable for a fine, demotion, etc, why is it being widely reported as though it is a possibility (admittedly small!)
The reason I don't believe West ham will fill the Olympic Stadium is because it does seem they already struggle to fill a far smaller stadium - for example with promotions for kids for a quid, etc.
Going to be honest with you Maf, can see West Ham's ticket prices dropping, and if they get low enough, I may even pop along to a few games. tenner a ticket? Can't go wrong!
Numbers makes everything...ground size DOES matter. The number of users visit this website makes it more valuable than the actual purpose it serves.
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Please refer to the section marked 5 - for a response to this. Clearly indicates that ground size, at present, means very little.
Liverpool and Chelsea both have smaller grounds than Arsenal. Arsenal finished below both - and have finished behind at least one of them for several years.
Financial Fair Play in The Football League
Introduction
Following two years of detailed discussions, The Football League and its clubs have agreed a Financial Fair Play framework that will operate in all three of its divisions from the beginning of the 2012/13 season. It aims to reduce the levels of losses being incurred at some clubs and, over time, establish a league of financially self-sustaining professional football clubs.
The decision to adopt Financial Fair Play regulations follows a strategic review by The Football League Board which identified the state of club finances as the organisation's greatest challenge. During this process, each division has been given the flexibility to determine its own Fair Play regulations, given that clubs of different sizes face differing financial challenges.
In the Championship, clubs have agreed to introduce a breakeven approach based on the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. Whilst in League 1 and League 2, clubs will implement the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) that has been in use in the latter division since 2004/05. The SCMP broadly limits spending on total player wages to a proportion of each club's turnover.
How will it work?
The Championship
Financial Fair Play in the Championship will see the introduction of a breakeven model based on UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. It will require clubs to stay within pre-defined limits on losses and shareholder equity investment that will reduce significantly over the next five seasons.
The new system will require clubs to provide annual accounts to The Football League by December 1 every year, covering the previous season/financial year. Using this information a 'Fair Play Result' will be determined for each club that will equate to the club's profit/loss for the year, excluding investment in specific areas of club infrastructure or losses in certain extraordinary circumstances.
In order to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations each club is required to demonstrate a Fair Play Result that is either:
a) nil or greater.
or:
b) A loss of less than the permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment for the season in question.
The permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment will reduce over time from £4m and £8m respectively in 2011/12 to £2m and £3m by 2015/16.
The Football League will establish a Financial Fair Play Panel, led by its Chairman, to consider any challenges by clubs to the determination of the Fair Play Result.
What counts towards the Fair Play Result?
The Fair Play Result is based on the club's profit or loss before tax with the exception of:
• Investment in Youth Development (as defined in the Elite Player Performance Plan)
• The profit affecting element of the purchase, sale and depreciation of fixed assets excluding players (e.g. a club's stadium)
• Investment in a club's Community Scheme
• Promotion related bonus payments
A club is also entitled to apply to the Financial Fair Play Panel to have certain exceptional items excluded from the Financial Fair Play Result in a particular year. Such as (but not limited to):
• Career ending injury costs
• Bad debts from other clubs
• Losses sustained from a major sponsor defaulting
The timetable for implementation
As with UEFA's Financial Fair Play regulations, The Football League will phase in its Financial Fair Play framework for Championship clubs. This is outlined below.
Season 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 onwards
Acceptable deviation £4 m £4 m £3 m £3 m £2 m
Shareholder equity investment £8 m £6 m £5 m £3 m £3 m
Total Permitted Allowances £12 m £10 m £8 m £6 m £5 m
The first reporting period will be the current season (2011/12) - with the first set of accounts due to be submitted on 1st December 2012.
Sanctions
Failure to stay within the defined limits will lead to the imposition of sanctions. However, there will be no sanctions implemented during the first two seasons (2012/13 and 2013/14) in order to give clubs a sensible period of transition.
From the 2014/15 season, sanctions will be introduced that will differ depending on whether the club ultimately remained in the Championship, was promoted to the Premier League or was relegated to League 1.
i. Sanctions for clubs remaining in the Championship
Clubs that fail to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations (from December 1st 2014) will be subject to a transfer embargo. This embargo will come in to force ahead of the subsequent transfer window beginning on January 1, 2015.
The embargo will remain in place until the club is able to lodge financial information that demonstrates that it meets the Financial Fair Play regulations (either for the previous reporting period or a future reporting period).
ii. Sanctions for clubs promoted to the Premier League
Clubs promoted to the Premier League will be required to provide Financial Fair Play information for their promotion season by December 1. Any club found to have breached Financial Fair Play regulations will be required to pay a 'Fair Play Tax' on the excess by which the club failed to fulfil the Fair Play requirement, ranging from 1% on the first £100,000 to 100% on anything over £10m.
The Fair Play Tax will be applied at the following thresholds:
(a) 1% of the excess between £1 and £100,000;
(b) 20% of the excess between £100,001 and £500,000;
(c) 40% of the excess between £500,001 and £1,000,000;
(d) 60% of the excess between £1,000,001 and £5,000,000;
(e) 80% of the excess between £5,000,001 and £10,000,000; and
(f) 100% of the excess over £10,000,000
Any proceeds will be distributed equally amongst clubs that have complied with the Financial Fair Play regulations for the season in question.
The Football League is currently in the process of consulting with the Premier League regarding the implementation of these Financial Fair Play regulations.
Think that might clear a few things up muffinboy......................................incidentally whilst clubs still in the Championship will not be sanctioned until next year, this does not apply to clubs promoted to the PL.
If you note the date the FFP Rules were introduced, QPR definitely come under the FL auspices regarding breaches!
If they are not liable for a fine, demotion, etc, why is it being widely reported as though it is a possibility (admittedly small!)
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Yes, some people reported about the fines if QPR fail to get promoted. But, they were/are regally protected, hence, in a court of law all those fines will be quashed.
The Football League and its clubs have agreed a Financial Fair Play framework that will operate in all three of its divisions from the beginning of the 2012/13 season.
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Read this statement again. When they "agreed" at that time, QPR were in the PL not in any of the lower leagues.
With regard to West Ham filling the OS, you have completely lost it if you think the club is going to fill it regularly.
With the exception of the Manchester clubs, Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea & Liverpool you will struggle to hit 40k in any other matches in the PL.
Now if you were to be in the Championship when you occupy the OS, then you can forget any idea of filling the stadium at all!
AS Monaco were/are in debt. But, this debt written down by the owner, just like Chelsea. Again, why do you think Fernandez won't be writing their debt off?
Fernandez does not have the money these Russians have & is not in a position to write off debts of £60-70m every year!
Read this statement again. When they "agreed" at that time, QPR were in the PL not in any of the lower leagues.
You are really stupid muffinboy..
Acceptance into the Football League when relegated is not a given.
Clubs who are relegated from the PL have to apply to join the FL, they then are invited to join the Championship. By accepting the invitation they also accept the current rules & regulations of The Football League.
This is how the system works, it starts right down at the Sunday Leagues, when you progress up the pyramid system whether it is to a non feeder or a feeder league, clubs have to apply to these leagues and then await their invitation to join. These goes on right through the Leagues like the Conference & up through the various FL Divisions to the Premier League.
Again, your mind is occupied by the idea of " West Ham will be in the Championship next year". Hence, you are not making a rational comment on filling the ground.
I can go on and make a list of arguments for West Ham would fill the ground for most matches....from beginning:
1). It will be served by more than 13 different train routes.
2) Cheaper tickets.
3). Hence, Levy wasted millions on trying to get the "place" and move away from Tottenham.
4). Easily accessible for the fans from any part of the London...
etc...
Again, your mind is occupied by the idea of " West Ham will be in the Championship next year". Hence, you are not making a rational comment on filling the ground.
Where did I say next year? You do not move into the OS for another 21 months.......................a lot can happen in that time
You are really stupid muffinboy..
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Believe it for a second that I'm stupid. Then, why Football League haven't imposed a fine or come up with a figure for QPR's obvious breach or floating the rules?
You can't really educate a semi-educated, can you?
comment by Chronic - is 100% behind Poch! (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
turning out each week knowing you're going to lose must be quite hard!
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maf should be able to confirm or deny this
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You do not move into the OS for another 21 months.......................a lot can happen in that time
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Yes, a lot. That can be Spurs, West Ham or QPR. And no one is certain and I'm not here to assume things and impose my ideas on others.
1). It will be served by more than 13 different train routes. Very good, it also means fans of other clubs can travel more effectively.
2) Cheaper tickets. £1 a go should do it
3). Hence, Levy wasted millions on trying to get the "place" and move away from Tottenham. Levy might have wanted to buy the OS, but not as an athletics stadium, which irrespectively how West Ham look at it, is exactly what it remains, an athletics stadium!
4). Easily accessible for the fans from any part of the London........See answer 1!
etc...
Believe it for a second that I'm stupid. Then, why Football League haven't imposed a fine or come up with a figure for QPR's obvious breach or floating the rules?
You have just proved it!!
The Football League cannot impose a fine today, it has to wait until QPR submit their accounts, they have until December 1st to do so!
QPR's losses for 2013-14 are not yet known. They lost £65.4m in 2012-13 and it is anticipated that the figure will be around the £60m mark in 2013-14, which would mean any fine would be around £40m.
QPR must advise the FL the exact loss figure by December 1st 2014.
Very good, it also means fans of other clubs can travel more effectively.
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Well, as I said, you can't educate the semi-educated. Please tell me, by 2017, how many tube/train lines serve White Hart Lane as opposed to Stratford?
2) Cheaper tickets. £1 a go should do it
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Well, we might follow Spurs by taking a leaf out of their book and distribute tickets free for some games. That might work, no?
Well, we might follow Spurs by taking a leaf out of their book and distribute tickets free for some games. That might work, no?
Which games are those then muffinboy? Details please?
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch! (U1302)
posted 4 minutes ago
QPR's losses for 2013-14 are not yet known. They lost £65.4m in 2012-13 and it is anticipated that the figure will be around the £60m mark in 2013-14, which would mean any fine would be around £40m.
QPR must advise the FL the exact loss figure by December 1st 2014.
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Is the fine also suspended pending relegation? Or is the fine a definite if found to have overspent, and only further punishment happens when/if they are relegated?
I'm assuming the fine doesn't come out of their budget/spending for the subsequent year?
"Fernandez does not have the money these Russians have & is not in a position to write off debts of £60-70m every year!"
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Tony and his investment company is worth around $650mil and he is the 28th richest man in Malaysia. By his words, he appears to be more committed to his than the Russian tycoon is.
Regarding Spurs distributing free tickets, you can google it. I am not in a mood to repeat VERY obvious and thoroughly discussed things on this forum.
Is the fine also suspended pending relegation? Or is the fine a definite if found to have overspent, and only further punishment happens when/if they are relegated?
I'm assuming the fine doesn't come out of their budget/spending for the subsequent year?
The fine is applicable immediately if as suspected QPR have breached the FL FFP's.
If QPR fail to pay the fine & then are relegated (anytime) then the FL would apply further sanctions which could include points deducted or even their ultimate sanction, refusing to accept an application from QPR to enter the Football League, thus virtually ensuring QPR become a non league club!
No the fine is separate to any other expenditure and would not be included in future FFP accounting.
Regarding Spurs distributing free tickets, you can google it. I am not in a mood to repeat VERY obvious and thoroughly discussed things on this forum.
Funny that muffinboy!
When anybody quotes anything to you, you demand evidence to support it. Yet you don't reciprocate, instead claiming spurious reasons why you can't!
We need to know the exact figure and sanctions on QPR by football league if we further want to discuss about this arbitrary thing.
They could do something similar to Chelsea a few years ago, where they staggered the spending over x amount of years, and it makes the books easier to balance.
Lets not forget the bonus payment they'll have got for winning the playoffs, which could be significant. If you do your accounts creatively enough, they'll avoid a big fine.
Just comes down to whether they can make £40m ish of losses disappear
When anybody quotes anything to you, you demand evidence to support it. Yet you don't reciprocate, instead claiming spurious reasons why you can't!
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Here you go...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-jake-livermore-eager-impress-3315608
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posted on 10/9/14
4 - AC Milan most likely sell all of their tickets for a reasonable value. West Ham are likely going to struggle to fill it after the first half a season/full season once the novelty of it wears off. That is why it was ignored in that respect.
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Even though Spurs are charging highest season ticket(per game), what percentage of their total revenues coming from gate receipts?
Numbers makes everything...ground size DOES matter. The number of users visit this website makes it more valuable than the actual purpose it serves.
posted on 10/9/14
comment by MafiaBoy (U8613)
posted 46 seconds ago
Rubbish...............................QPR are going to be fined, if they then get relegated they come under the auspices of the FL.
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How is it rubbish? When the rules were made, QPR weren't under Football League? Please, if you don't know the law and it's power, you better close your shop.
AS Monaco were/are in debt. But, this debt written down by the owner, just like Chelsea. Again, why do you think Fernandez won't be writing their debt off?
The profits from San Siro will be shared by two clubs.Again, with your football knowledge, tell me how many times in a year San Siro gets filled? And, how do you know West Ham are not going to fill their stadium?
I had enough of listening to your rubbish. Next time provide some useful links for your claims.
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If they are not liable for a fine, demotion, etc, why is it being widely reported as though it is a possibility (admittedly small!)
The reason I don't believe West ham will fill the Olympic Stadium is because it does seem they already struggle to fill a far smaller stadium - for example with promotions for kids for a quid, etc.
Going to be honest with you Maf, can see West Ham's ticket prices dropping, and if they get low enough, I may even pop along to a few games. tenner a ticket? Can't go wrong!
posted on 10/9/14
Numbers makes everything...ground size DOES matter. The number of users visit this website makes it more valuable than the actual purpose it serves.
---
Please refer to the section marked 5 - for a response to this. Clearly indicates that ground size, at present, means very little.
Liverpool and Chelsea both have smaller grounds than Arsenal. Arsenal finished below both - and have finished behind at least one of them for several years.
posted on 10/9/14
Financial Fair Play in The Football League
Introduction
Following two years of detailed discussions, The Football League and its clubs have agreed a Financial Fair Play framework that will operate in all three of its divisions from the beginning of the 2012/13 season. It aims to reduce the levels of losses being incurred at some clubs and, over time, establish a league of financially self-sustaining professional football clubs.
The decision to adopt Financial Fair Play regulations follows a strategic review by The Football League Board which identified the state of club finances as the organisation's greatest challenge. During this process, each division has been given the flexibility to determine its own Fair Play regulations, given that clubs of different sizes face differing financial challenges.
In the Championship, clubs have agreed to introduce a breakeven approach based on the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. Whilst in League 1 and League 2, clubs will implement the Salary Cost Management Protocol (SCMP) that has been in use in the latter division since 2004/05. The SCMP broadly limits spending on total player wages to a proportion of each club's turnover.
How will it work?
The Championship
Financial Fair Play in the Championship will see the introduction of a breakeven model based on UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. It will require clubs to stay within pre-defined limits on losses and shareholder equity investment that will reduce significantly over the next five seasons.
The new system will require clubs to provide annual accounts to The Football League by December 1 every year, covering the previous season/financial year. Using this information a 'Fair Play Result' will be determined for each club that will equate to the club's profit/loss for the year, excluding investment in specific areas of club infrastructure or losses in certain extraordinary circumstances.
In order to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations each club is required to demonstrate a Fair Play Result that is either:
a) nil or greater.
or:
b) A loss of less than the permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment for the season in question.
The permitted level of acceptable deviation and shareholder equity investment will reduce over time from £4m and £8m respectively in 2011/12 to £2m and £3m by 2015/16.
The Football League will establish a Financial Fair Play Panel, led by its Chairman, to consider any challenges by clubs to the determination of the Fair Play Result.
What counts towards the Fair Play Result?
The Fair Play Result is based on the club's profit or loss before tax with the exception of:
• Investment in Youth Development (as defined in the Elite Player Performance Plan)
• The profit affecting element of the purchase, sale and depreciation of fixed assets excluding players (e.g. a club's stadium)
• Investment in a club's Community Scheme
• Promotion related bonus payments
A club is also entitled to apply to the Financial Fair Play Panel to have certain exceptional items excluded from the Financial Fair Play Result in a particular year. Such as (but not limited to):
• Career ending injury costs
• Bad debts from other clubs
• Losses sustained from a major sponsor defaulting
The timetable for implementation
As with UEFA's Financial Fair Play regulations, The Football League will phase in its Financial Fair Play framework for Championship clubs. This is outlined below.
Season 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14 2014/15 2015/16 onwards
Acceptable deviation £4 m £4 m £3 m £3 m £2 m
Shareholder equity investment £8 m £6 m £5 m £3 m £3 m
Total Permitted Allowances £12 m £10 m £8 m £6 m £5 m
The first reporting period will be the current season (2011/12) - with the first set of accounts due to be submitted on 1st December 2012.
Sanctions
Failure to stay within the defined limits will lead to the imposition of sanctions. However, there will be no sanctions implemented during the first two seasons (2012/13 and 2013/14) in order to give clubs a sensible period of transition.
From the 2014/15 season, sanctions will be introduced that will differ depending on whether the club ultimately remained in the Championship, was promoted to the Premier League or was relegated to League 1.
i. Sanctions for clubs remaining in the Championship
Clubs that fail to comply with the Financial Fair Play regulations (from December 1st 2014) will be subject to a transfer embargo. This embargo will come in to force ahead of the subsequent transfer window beginning on January 1, 2015.
The embargo will remain in place until the club is able to lodge financial information that demonstrates that it meets the Financial Fair Play regulations (either for the previous reporting period or a future reporting period).
ii. Sanctions for clubs promoted to the Premier League
Clubs promoted to the Premier League will be required to provide Financial Fair Play information for their promotion season by December 1. Any club found to have breached Financial Fair Play regulations will be required to pay a 'Fair Play Tax' on the excess by which the club failed to fulfil the Fair Play requirement, ranging from 1% on the first £100,000 to 100% on anything over £10m.
The Fair Play Tax will be applied at the following thresholds:
(a) 1% of the excess between £1 and £100,000;
(b) 20% of the excess between £100,001 and £500,000;
(c) 40% of the excess between £500,001 and £1,000,000;
(d) 60% of the excess between £1,000,001 and £5,000,000;
(e) 80% of the excess between £5,000,001 and £10,000,000; and
(f) 100% of the excess over £10,000,000
Any proceeds will be distributed equally amongst clubs that have complied with the Financial Fair Play regulations for the season in question.
The Football League is currently in the process of consulting with the Premier League regarding the implementation of these Financial Fair Play regulations.
Think that might clear a few things up muffinboy......................................incidentally whilst clubs still in the Championship will not be sanctioned until next year, this does not apply to clubs promoted to the PL.
If you note the date the FFP Rules were introduced, QPR definitely come under the FL auspices regarding breaches!
posted on 10/9/14
If they are not liable for a fine, demotion, etc, why is it being widely reported as though it is a possibility (admittedly small!)
--
Yes, some people reported about the fines if QPR fail to get promoted. But, they were/are regally protected, hence, in a court of law all those fines will be quashed.
posted on 10/9/14
The Football League and its clubs have agreed a Financial Fair Play framework that will operate in all three of its divisions from the beginning of the 2012/13 season.
---
Read this statement again. When they "agreed" at that time, QPR were in the PL not in any of the lower leagues.
posted on 10/9/14
With regard to West Ham filling the OS, you have completely lost it if you think the club is going to fill it regularly.
With the exception of the Manchester clubs, Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea & Liverpool you will struggle to hit 40k in any other matches in the PL.
Now if you were to be in the Championship when you occupy the OS, then you can forget any idea of filling the stadium at all!
AS Monaco were/are in debt. But, this debt written down by the owner, just like Chelsea. Again, why do you think Fernandez won't be writing their debt off?
Fernandez does not have the money these Russians have & is not in a position to write off debts of £60-70m every year!
posted on 10/9/14
Read this statement again. When they "agreed" at that time, QPR were in the PL not in any of the lower leagues.
You are really stupid muffinboy..
Acceptance into the Football League when relegated is not a given.
Clubs who are relegated from the PL have to apply to join the FL, they then are invited to join the Championship. By accepting the invitation they also accept the current rules & regulations of The Football League.
This is how the system works, it starts right down at the Sunday Leagues, when you progress up the pyramid system whether it is to a non feeder or a feeder league, clubs have to apply to these leagues and then await their invitation to join. These goes on right through the Leagues like the Conference & up through the various FL Divisions to the Premier League.
posted on 10/9/14
Again, your mind is occupied by the idea of " West Ham will be in the Championship next year". Hence, you are not making a rational comment on filling the ground.
I can go on and make a list of arguments for West Ham would fill the ground for most matches....from beginning:
1). It will be served by more than 13 different train routes.
2) Cheaper tickets.
3). Hence, Levy wasted millions on trying to get the "place" and move away from Tottenham.
4). Easily accessible for the fans from any part of the London...
etc...
posted on 10/9/14
Again, your mind is occupied by the idea of " West Ham will be in the Championship next year". Hence, you are not making a rational comment on filling the ground.
Where did I say next year? You do not move into the OS for another 21 months.......................a lot can happen in that time
posted on 10/9/14
You are really stupid muffinboy..
--
Believe it for a second that I'm stupid. Then, why Football League haven't imposed a fine or come up with a figure for QPR's obvious breach or floating the rules?
You can't really educate a semi-educated, can you?
posted on 10/9/14
comment by Chronic - is 100% behind Poch! (U3423)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
turning out each week knowing you're going to lose must be quite hard!
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maf should be able to confirm or deny this
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posted on 10/9/14
You do not move into the OS for another 21 months.......................a lot can happen in that time
--
Yes, a lot. That can be Spurs, West Ham or QPR. And no one is certain and I'm not here to assume things and impose my ideas on others.
posted on 10/9/14
1). It will be served by more than 13 different train routes. Very good, it also means fans of other clubs can travel more effectively.
2) Cheaper tickets. £1 a go should do it
3). Hence, Levy wasted millions on trying to get the "place" and move away from Tottenham. Levy might have wanted to buy the OS, but not as an athletics stadium, which irrespectively how West Ham look at it, is exactly what it remains, an athletics stadium!
4). Easily accessible for the fans from any part of the London........See answer 1!
etc...
posted on 10/9/14
Believe it for a second that I'm stupid. Then, why Football League haven't imposed a fine or come up with a figure for QPR's obvious breach or floating the rules?
You have just proved it!!
The Football League cannot impose a fine today, it has to wait until QPR submit their accounts, they have until December 1st to do so!
posted on 10/9/14
QPR's losses for 2013-14 are not yet known. They lost £65.4m in 2012-13 and it is anticipated that the figure will be around the £60m mark in 2013-14, which would mean any fine would be around £40m.
QPR must advise the FL the exact loss figure by December 1st 2014.
posted on 10/9/14
Very good, it also means fans of other clubs can travel more effectively.
--
Well, as I said, you can't educate the semi-educated. Please tell me, by 2017, how many tube/train lines serve White Hart Lane as opposed to Stratford?
2) Cheaper tickets. £1 a go should do it
---
Well, we might follow Spurs by taking a leaf out of their book and distribute tickets free for some games. That might work, no?
posted on 10/9/14
Well, we might follow Spurs by taking a leaf out of their book and distribute tickets free for some games. That might work, no?
Which games are those then muffinboy? Details please?
posted on 10/9/14
comment by Genius Greaves is 100% behind Poch! (U1302)
posted 4 minutes ago
QPR's losses for 2013-14 are not yet known. They lost £65.4m in 2012-13 and it is anticipated that the figure will be around the £60m mark in 2013-14, which would mean any fine would be around £40m.
QPR must advise the FL the exact loss figure by December 1st 2014.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is the fine also suspended pending relegation? Or is the fine a definite if found to have overspent, and only further punishment happens when/if they are relegated?
I'm assuming the fine doesn't come out of their budget/spending for the subsequent year?
posted on 10/9/14
"Fernandez does not have the money these Russians have & is not in a position to write off debts of £60-70m every year!"
---
Tony and his investment company is worth around $650mil and he is the 28th richest man in Malaysia. By his words, he appears to be more committed to his than the Russian tycoon is.
Regarding Spurs distributing free tickets, you can google it. I am not in a mood to repeat VERY obvious and thoroughly discussed things on this forum.
posted on 10/9/14
Is the fine also suspended pending relegation? Or is the fine a definite if found to have overspent, and only further punishment happens when/if they are relegated?
I'm assuming the fine doesn't come out of their budget/spending for the subsequent year?
The fine is applicable immediately if as suspected QPR have breached the FL FFP's.
If QPR fail to pay the fine & then are relegated (anytime) then the FL would apply further sanctions which could include points deducted or even their ultimate sanction, refusing to accept an application from QPR to enter the Football League, thus virtually ensuring QPR become a non league club!
No the fine is separate to any other expenditure and would not be included in future FFP accounting.
posted on 10/9/14
Regarding Spurs distributing free tickets, you can google it. I am not in a mood to repeat VERY obvious and thoroughly discussed things on this forum.
Funny that muffinboy!
When anybody quotes anything to you, you demand evidence to support it. Yet you don't reciprocate, instead claiming spurious reasons why you can't!
posted on 10/9/14
We need to know the exact figure and sanctions on QPR by football league if we further want to discuss about this arbitrary thing.
posted on 10/9/14
They could do something similar to Chelsea a few years ago, where they staggered the spending over x amount of years, and it makes the books easier to balance.
Lets not forget the bonus payment they'll have got for winning the playoffs, which could be significant. If you do your accounts creatively enough, they'll avoid a big fine.
Just comes down to whether they can make £40m ish of losses disappear
posted on 10/9/14
When anybody quotes anything to you, you demand evidence to support it. Yet you don't reciprocate, instead claiming spurious reasons why you can't!
---
Here you go...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-jake-livermore-eager-impress-3315608
Happy now?
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