Back on topic, previously they decided seedings on European ranking, which was based purely on how a team performed in Europe, and took into no account how a team performed in their domestic league the previous season.

This is what I found the most baffling. Apparently we were the 40th(?) best team in Europe last year despite coming second in our league. Not being biased, just trying to use us an example.

If they amended the rankings system to consider how a team performed in their domestic league and alter the rankings accordingly every season, we would have much.

Then again I suppose you would have to rate each league to difficulty to stop romanian sides being top seeds.

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comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted about a minute ago
OP is pretending to be concerned about the plight of mega rich City & Barca, but what he really wants to say is 'this isn't fair on arsenal who only ever get in by finishing 4th and will now be further by the pecking order'. You can't just say RM and City are better sides than Benfica when Benfica are champions of their division. It's not subjective. Champions should get higher seeding in the champions league it's the current system that's wrong because it's geared up to favour the big clubs from the big leagues.
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The current system favours how well the clubs have been doing in the CL the last few years which is fair.

comment by Isle of Manc - Year of the Januzaj (U18323)

posted 56 seconds ago

I'm not the one struggling to comprehend the difference between the European Cup and the Champions League

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Not sure why it concerns Arsenal fans, they haven't won either.

They very rarely trouble the bookies after the group stages.

Vidicschin
They very rarely trouble the bookies after the group stages.

You lot cant even make the Europa league let alone the group stages of the CL <do>

a much better system*

The current system favours how well the clubs have been doing in the CL the last few years which is fair.

Should the FA Cup, League Cup and Premier League be seeded then? That would make it fairer according to you.

comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
The current system favours how well the clubs have been doing in the CL the last few years which is fair.

Should the FA Cup, League Cup and Premier League be seeded then? That would make it fairer according to you.
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They are completely different competitions, we are talking about the CL on this thread if you didn't notice.

comment by SuperFrank (U15103)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
The better way to go seeding wise.

You win your league your seeded. Simple and straight forward.

Personally, i'd prefer no seeds but that's never going to happen
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This would make it interesting for sure - and gives some of the 'lesser' clubs a bit more of a fighting chance.

Unfortunately the TV money men would never allow this.

Vidicschin

That's bullsheit, seedings for the champions league should be based purely on performance in the champions league.




Which will keep the same teams at the top of the tree for evermore. Sounds about right. Talk about closed shop.

The old system was flawed, that is true but the new one is not any better.
People keep saying why Arsenal should be in top one, which is fair.
But right now, we might end up with CSKA being in top one and never make it out of their own group, ever.
How is that any better?

Arsenal's days of being guaranteed top-seeded status in the Champions League are over after Uefa announced a radical shake-up to the draw for next season's competition.

Gianni Infantino, the general secretary of European football's governing body, confirmed its executive committee would ratify a change that would see the winners of the Premier League placed among the top seeds automatically but not the sides finishing second, third and fourth.

The current co-efficient system rewards teams who consistently qualify for the competition - like Arsenal - regardless of how they do so, and penalises those who are relatively new to it - like Manchester City.

Under the new proposals, the top eight seeds would comprise of the Champions League holders and seven domestic league winners of the top-ranked Uefa nations - currently Spain, England, Germany, Portugal, Italy, Russia and France.

This season's group-stage draw, which lumbered City with Bayern Munich, CSKA Moscow and Roma, but paired Chelsea with Schalke, Sporting Lisbon and Maribor, could have been radically different as a result.
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The news will please City's manager, Manuel Pellegrini, who last month hit out at the way Arsenal remained seeded in the Champions League despite having only finished fourth in the Premier League.

Pellegrini said it was "not good that the teams who play qualification because they finished fourth in their domestic leagues are in Pot One [seeded], where the strongest teams should be".

He added: "Our group seems unbalanced. In our group, we have three domestic champions - the English champions, the German champions and the Russian champions.

"I think we need to find a modification whereby, for example, all teams who play qualification [ie, Arsenal] go into Pot Four and all champions and those who have lots of points in Europe [a high coefficient] go into Pot One."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11151877/Arsenal-hit-with-Champions-League-blow-as-only-Premier-League-winners-will-be-guaranteed-top-seed-status.html


Arsene will go apeshit when he reads this.

I`ve got a good idea, let`s just fecccccking scrap the overrated CL.

comment by thesingingangel (U20025)
posted less than a minute ago
I`ve got a good idea, let`s just fecccccking scrap the overrated CL.
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Doesn't make much difference to Spurs fans I suppose

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comment by Isle of Manc - Year of the Januzaj (U18323)

posted 56 seconds ago

I'm not the one struggling to comprehend the difference between the European Cup and the Champions League
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Isle of Manc: IF the competitions are so different why did EUFA allow Liverpool to keep the trophy? Could it have been because Liverpool have won the trophy 5 (five) times?

Why do Liverpool have 5 (five) stars on their shirt? Could it have been because Liverpool have won the trophy 5 (five) times?

Can you see a pattern emerging here?

IT IS THE SAME FECKING TROPHY so Liverpool have won it more times than United, plain & simple.

5 (five) is still more than 3 (three), doesn't matter what you call the competition, the trophy is still the same.

Liverpool fans call it Big Ears and they have a genuine one in their trophy cabinet due to them winning it 5 (five) times.

United haven't got a genuine one in theirs because they have only won it 3 (three) times.

It is the CHAMPIONS league so it makes sense for the champions to be seeded in the first pot it will also mean bigger and better group stage games I think its great

comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by TikiTakaFootball49 (U17636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted about a minute ago
OP is pretending to be concerned about the plight of mega rich City & Barca, but what he really wants to say is 'this isn't fair on arsenal who only ever get in by finishing 4th and will now be further by the pecking order'. You can't just say RM and City are better sides than Benfica when Benfica are champions of their division. It's not subjective. Champions should get higher seeding in the champions league it's the current system that's wrong because it's geared up to favour the big clubs from the big leagues.
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The current system favours how well the clubs have been doing in the CL the last few years which is fair.
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How? All you do is create a self perpetuating cycle: you give the biggest/best teams the easiest route to the latter stages, therefore they are top seeds next season, get the easiest route to the latter stages, are too seeds next season and so on and so on. The competition is about the best teams from leagues across Europe, so league champions should be top seeds.
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The bigger teams should be the ones that get to the latter stages as they are the best teams. The current system IS fair.

Go back to what it used to be.

Just the champions.

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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)



posted 53 seconds ago


Go back to what it used to be.

Just the champions.

You wouldn't have won the treble then.

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There are too many of VidicsChins

comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TikiTakaFootball49 (U17636)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by TikiTakaFootball49 (U17636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by THE ACE FACE (U18814)
posted about a minute ago
OP is pretending to be concerned about the plight of mega rich City & Barca, but what he really wants to say is 'this isn't fair on arsenal who only ever get in by finishing 4th and will now be further by the pecking order'. You can't just say RM and City are better sides than Benfica when Benfica are champions of their division. It's not subjective. Champions should get higher seeding in the champions league it's the current system that's wrong because it's geared up to favour the big clubs from the big leagues.
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The current system favours how well the clubs have been doing in the CL the last few years which is fair.
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How? All you do is create a self perpetuating cycle: you give the biggest/best teams the easiest route to the latter stages, therefore they are top seeds next season, get the easiest route to the latter stages, are too seeds next season and so on and so on. The competition is about the best teams from leagues across Europe, so league champions should be top seeds.
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The bigger teams should be the ones that get to the latter stages as they are the best teams. The current system IS fair.
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The best teams will get to the latter stages regardless. The cream always rises to the top.
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BUT when the new system arises then the groups will be a lot harder therefore some of the big teams will be knocked out in the group stages.

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