But the players are average at best aswell, though

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Nice to see you back HRH

The overal squad is pretty average tbh

We do have a good squad, but it's just not strong enough. We need a leader in defence, a top quality, creative CM player, and a 20+goals a season striker.

HRH - there is a lack of the Dunkirk spirit with Vertonghen highlighting a complete lack of fight for the cause we could get relegated as we are not too good to go down !!

Sorry hrh but I think we are average and the results with this team prove it. We haven't beaten a real top quality side once with this side since bale was sold but Under harry and even Jol we were beating the top sides every now and then. Everytime we play a decent side we get smashed to pieces because we are just not good enough. 3 managers have come in and so far not one has transformed anything out of this lot. As part from Lloris I would say not one player we have would get into the top 4 teams 1st 11. Eriksen is a talent as it lamela but both currently not showing any consistent performances or showing their true ability. A apart from these 2 all of our signings have been duds. I don't particularly rate chadli despite him scoring a few and the less said about Paulinho/ Chirichis etc the better. We are an average side with average players and that's the truth.

comment by Numbers (U12711)
posted 13 minutes ago
HRH - there is a lack of the Dunkirk spirit with Vertonghen highlighting a complete lack of fight for the cause we could get relegated as we are not too good to go down !!
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There is absolutely no way we are going down

Reactions like this are crazy.

comment by Bentaleb - The Algerian Zidane (U5073)
posted 8 minutes ago

There is absolutely no way we are going down

Reactions like this are crazy.

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Exactly! These overreactions are crazy!

agreed we are too narrow havent played with wingers for years, everyone cutting inside, Lamela reminds me of Jake the peg with the left leg, he only goes one way, the opposition doesn't need fullbacks to defend they can stay upfield and attack, would also love to see a winger stretching the defences and getting behind the fullbacks crossing into the box what a sight that would be

Couldn't disagree more. The fact is we've got the second youngest squad in the league. The strikers are rubbish, and we've been lumbered with Paulinho, who was supposed to add goals and a bit of excitement but seems incapable of a 5 yard pass.

But hey, what do I know.. I'm sure if we sack a manager or two every season things will pick up long term

In my opinion, this is a very, very good article.

The problem with someone like Don is, that when we were signing these players (Lamela, Vertonghen, Paulinho etc etc ), he was on here rubbing one off and getting all excited.

Then after they don't meet his expectations suddenly the squad is average.


Think back to when we got AVB.... I reckon we all to a man assumed that AVB would play 4-3-3, like his port side did... and we had the players to play in this system.

I remember commenting on how baffling it was that he hadn't tried 4-3-3 considering the personnel we had and the fact that the system bought us so much success before.

since then Sherwood, and now poch have not tried 4-3-3

4-2-3-1 is not working and the reason for this is that we don't have a good enough ball player to play in the 2, thus the ball forward and ball recycling is not sharp enough.

this can be remedied if your side has pace, but we are a slow side, so the obvious solution to me is to have 2 cm's infront of Capoue, that are good footballers (say Eriksen and Dembele/Mason for example) who operate higher up the pitch. if we are not going to worry teams with pace, we need to worry them with intricate passing and bodies in the attacking third.

against bigger sides, then we should consider playing on the break. too many spurs fans want us to go toe to toe with teams like man city - and we all know what happens - we get smashed.

against bigger sides play 2 dms, and we play on th break which means we need to tweak the personel to bring in a player or two with genuine pace. that means lennon or townsend, or both. the problem is that I don't rate either of these two, thus a fast tricky winger should be high on our priorities list for January.

would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this

. I'm not having it that all our players are average.

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Maybe not, but the ones that matter either are average or are basically youth players (Lamela, Eriksen) that are expected to carry us..

Modric, Bale and VDV are the point - you could surround them with Paulinho's and we'd be in with a shout of top 4. Players like that change games - in Luka's case he runs them - and replacing them is nigh on impossible. Source: Liverpool this season.

would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on this
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We need a striker with pace to play on the break..

People can moan about the system all they like but the squad has been built around a 4231 or similar. Whether that's down to Levy, AVB, or Baldini I have no idea but we have to make best use of what we have.

Chrinic, Every single Spurs fan was excited with us spending money that money so god knows why you are digging me out again. If anything im one of the few Spurs fans that likes to give people a chance as I stuck by the likes of avb for a long time. Fact of the matter is the players we bought are not as good as we thought they would be and are pretty average when you compare them to the the class we watched under Spurs previously like I mentioned yesterday. Chadli for Instance who is one of our main goal threats is not even on the same planet as VDV And that's a fact.

Don

We have no great outfield players. Some good some average and some dung. No matter what system we use its not going to make us a top 4 team. Saying Walker will make a difference is just silly , he is another average player at best.

In order for us to be where we want to be (top4 every year ) we need a new owner. It's simple really we are what we are and have been for 50 Fluckin years.....top 10 team with the odd cup here and there.

Everyone bangs on about players for MoPos system but where is that gona get us without having world class players. If we had of got Morgan S from Southampton and the CB from Spain Would that really have made the difference? Not a chance boys. We are terrible at the back are decent in midfield and have no Fluckin strikers. Simple really were just not that good no matter which way you spin it.

For me is new owners or face the same heartache for the next 50 years. Sad but that's the truth.

Going back to Ramos early 2008/09, I remember watching us and thinking how dreadful we looked. Narrow and imbalanced and it showed. The players weren't bad, but the system was poor. Jenas with Modric. Bale right, Bentley left.

It didn't take a tactical masterclass from Redknapp to turn it around, just basics. At the minute we have a few players who don't really know their position without the ball or with it, and the side is relying wholly on Danny Rose for the little width it has.

Tweak the system to suit the personnel available, not shoehorn players in to fit a system

comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 37 minutes ago
Chrinic, Every single Spurs fan was excited with us spending money that money so god knows why you are digging me out again. If anything im one of the few Spurs fans that likes to give people a chance as I stuck by the likes of avb for a long time. Fact of the matter is the players we bought are not as good as we thought they would be and are pretty average when you compare them to the the class we watched under Spurs previously like I mentioned yesterday. Chadli for Instance who is one of our main goal threats is not even on the same planet as VDV And that's a fact.

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i dig you out because you are the one that goes to town on your points in the most blunt way and are in my opinion often misguided or just plain wrong.

that is my opinion. and its fine that you disagree, i don't expect or want everyone to agree with me.

Our squad of players would without doubt look a lot better playing 442, instead of this inverted winger nonsense

Bale right, Bentley left.

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I can't remember that ever happening. Happy to be proven wrong though

The problem with tweaking it though HRH is that it won't make any difference. Lennon and Townsend as wingers? 433 - basically just push the wingers up, tell them they don't have to track back so much and get another midfielder doing the closing down..

Still have an error prone defence, still no world class talent to run games or score goals from nothing..

I'm not saying a few tweaks wouldn't help but it's not going to turn us around. Your Harry analogy doesn't fit at all, we all know we were in a false position when he took over.

Why is it that only spurs apparently cannot function without playing a 442/4411 with proper wingers? I can't think of any relevant team who doesn't play with either narrow wide players or inverted wingers

Bales

Hull at home. 0-1. Giovanni.

Not saying we have to have both Townsend and Lennon as wingers at the same time (although my preference is to have one at all times) but if we have a non-adventurous fullback then you have to have a winger to compensate.

Analog. All down to the fullbacks for me. If teams play narrow up top, they inevitably have them overlapping

HRH

Fair enough.. Bentley was a disgrace though, a bit harsh to judge a system on him and a teenage Bale

I agree it might work but I don't think we've got the players to make it any better than what we're doing right now.