You state we have an average squad, and Sherood was useless. No matter how you spin it, both can't be true.
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It's not that simple though, as I've said already - Tim's style worked for Ade, and Eriksen but the team as a whole looked a shambles imo.

Yes the squad is average, without Adebayor in form we don't have enough to break down teams. If he was scoring goals like he did in his purple patches we'd be fine. We're sitting just behind Liverpool who have been distinctly average.

So yes, the two can be true, and I've explained decal times why I think so.

Same to you Chicken

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We've been over this HRH. Are you on the wum?

Bãlès

So, Tim can achieve the highest stats of any previous manager, with a squad that you consider to be average (your words – not mine), and you think this backs up your point that Tim is a crap manager.

If a crap manager with an average squad can achieve that, what hope is there for anyone else?

If my understanding of your viewpoint is correct, and you are happier with Pochettino’s work than Sherwood’s (so far), where we have created less, scored less, conceded more, have a worse goal difference, and less points ratio under Pochettino, then it is clear for anyone to see the amount of flaws in that alone. I get you prefer the look of Poch and the way he speaks, but I’m referring to the success or non-success of what I see on the field – and that is where the difference is.

And just in case Chronic is reading, no I am not calling for Poch’s head and wanting Sherwood in, I am just stating the obvious about the regression we have made so far when you compare the two.

And it certainly isn't HRH who is on the WUM....

So, Tim can achieve the highest stats of any previous manager, with a squad that you consider to be average (your words – not mine), and you think this backs up your point that Tim is a crap manager.

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No. I think the stats are irrelevant. Read my comments on here, I'm tired of repeating myself to someone who won't read it anyway.

When you're taking about points, pure and simple, it is hard to argue that he did a terrible job.

Solely on points he actually did a very good job. Other factors would be weighed against that somewhat, but on the whole, taking everything in to account it was ok.

Using Sherwoods motivation and utilisation of certain players as a stick to beat him with is silly. He got Add playing, and Eriksen too. It's no different to Bale having the team built around him in 11/12. AVB played people out of position and neglected other areas of the side to accomodate him.

Bales, what you accuse Chicken of - wanting AVB out before we'd played a game - was exactly your position with Sherwood. You were the Chicken of his reign. The main difference being Chicken based his on evidence (Chelsea) and you made a decision without any.

When you're taking about points, pure and simple, it is hard to argue that he did a terrible job

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Agreed, that's why I'm not. It'd be like judging Darren Bent on his goal tally, or Di Matteo on silverware..

And I wasn't against Sherwood from the start, I wrote a thread after our first victory saying it was refreshing.. I was of course skeptical of an untried, unqualified youth team coach being given the job.

But then that's only sensible, surely?

Comparing me to Chicken

Definitely wumming.. get it right next time and I might bite

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That thread might've been on my old account

Using Sherwoods motivation and utilisation of certain players as a stick to beat him with is silly.

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I'm not doing that either. It's about the only thing he got right imo. Are you Chicken in disguise?

Lads

Assuming none of you want Poch out can we all agree that he should get a couple of seasons at least?

In which case, can we agree that half a season is not enough to judge a manager by?

While we're at it, is there anyone that thinks Tim Sherwood should still be our manager?

Two seasons minimum and No I'm glad he has nothing to do with our club anymore

Hengy

As much as I didn't like Sherwood being in charge I blame Levy for letting it get to that.

I bet West Brom are glad he turned them down

I'll judge Poch as he goes. The football we are playing now isnt much different to what we've been playing for 2yrs. overall very dull and narrow. I wanted him in, but wont blindly defend him because of it. There are certainly early concerns about his selections and use of personnel available. Time will tell.

I didn't want Tim to continue, no. The results were pretty good though. On that basis, I thought many on here would like him to carry on, as when AVB was criticised for style, it was apparently all about results. Weird lot

HRH

I don't think it's helpful to judge a manager game by game. Sure, we've all got our opinions on who should play etc but generally he's stuck with the best in form XI for the league and rotated them for the cups. We'll have to see at the end if he got it right.. hindsight and all that Everyone's had a chance to impress.. more than can be said for either of our previous managers.

It's not one 'lot' though, is it? We're a fickle bunch us football supporters, lead by Sky and relentless demands for results in the media.. and from our own chairman to some extent. Each manager should be judged on their own merits imo.. obviously the 4231 formation reminds people of AVB but that's standard these days. The core of the side is the same, there's only so much a manager can do.. you're not going to give Townsend Lamela's technique, or Lamela his directness.. over time hopefully both with improve!

While we're at it, is there anyone that thinks Tim Sherwood should still be our manager?

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no sane person could possibly want that car crash of a manager still at the helm.

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Bãlès

I never ever said I wanted Poch out. My sole reason for responding to you was to point out the flaw in your comment that TS was a crap manager AND we have an average squad.

It’s also quite funny how you disregard what TS did (with an average squad) yet still want us all to agree to give Poch time (who is currently doing a worse job than the manager you claim is “crap” ). That doesn’t add up – and that was my sole reason for debating with you.

As HRH points out, I made a judgment on AVB because of what I physically witnessed him do at Chelsea, in the very league we play in. This is criticism based on pure footballing reasons – the same as I would have done if we had appointed Sam Allardyce or Paulo Di Canio. You have made it clear that your criticism is aimed at Sherwood from more of a personal viewpoint and has nothing to do with the outcome of football matches or what we see on the pitch.

I’m happy to see Poch install his methods etc over a period of time but this does not alienate him from criticism or change the fact that, as it stands, results and performances were better under Sherwood.

That doesn’t add up – and that was my sole reason for debating with you.

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If you can't see why I want to give Poch time but not Sherwood it's you who's clueless mate.

Any other youth team coaches you think deserve a go at getting top 4?

Any other youth team coaches you think deserve a go at getting top 4?

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Nope, only ones who have been tried, tested, and improved us in every dept.

You can stay in denial all you like - but our performances and record under the man you simply dislike (for non-footballing reasons) is far better than the non-youth team coach we currently have.

Your stubbornness to admit it is becoming increasingly obvious.

So, are we agreed now that the players aren't bad, the system was?

Has the system changed at all?

We aren't playing 442 or Lennon, the savior who has played in all our best games according to you.

It's more to do with pushing out the unprofessional clowns since your article was written, and time passing allowing the players to play more as a unit

I know you like being right and pointing it out to everyone, but i think you're clutching at straws bringing this one back up and if anything, it goes to show you were not right after all

The system hasn't changed.

He's dropped Ade, Capoue, and Dembele from the first team and we improved.

I can't believe you bumped this one

And Kaboul.. I could've sworn we played 4231 with inverted wingers when we beat Chelsea.

system hasn't changed, and if it has, its been very slight.

different is now poch has players buying into the system and making it work.

different is now poch has players buying into the system and making it work.

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If Saturday shows you how much its working, i'd rather go back to it being broken thanks .

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