A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
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You can't blame him directly but the problem you have is that established players will look at your manager and see someone who has won nothing in the game really. But in truth Liverpool really don't have any pedigree in the last 10 years of signing marquee players.
comment by wishiwasinliverpool only posts when we lose yo... (U2432)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't hear your clever solution to the problem, TOOR, so come on, let's hear it.
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That's the thing, there is no click of the switch instant solution, this isn't a washing machine, you can't just turn it on to clean the crap, to use an analogy you might understand.
The manager proved last season he can get it right, almost winning the league, coming from a seventh place position, the season beforehand. He had us playing outstanding football, throughout the side. He made Henderson a better player, found a role for Gerrard who many thought was past it and he went on to get into the Premier League Team of the Year, also nominated for Player of the Year. He found the perfect system to get both Sturridge and Suarez on the pitch and playing well, which many doubted and he turned Henderson into a very good midfielder.
Unluckily for us, we weren't able to sign our targets and the main target to replace Suarez, in Sanchez would have been perfect but he went elsewhere. We had to settle for Balotelli, who has been useless. Sturridge got injured and that meant we lost both of the strikers who were not only scoring and assisting so many goals but pulling players all over the place, creating space for the midfield and giving them options to thread balls into. This isn't a managerial error, it's just tough sh it and what happens in football and has done throughout its history.
What we need to do is to get Sturridge back and get a striker in, to cover him whenever he's injured. Bony would be perfect.
Sacking the manager who we know can mount a title challenge after winning Manager of the Year only six months ago would be suicide and throw us back in terms of our progression.
We just need to show a bit of patience, so what's gone wrong and allow it to be fixed. Being fickle never got anybody anywhere. Ask Spurs.
Yes i can. Mamaget csn speak.fluent spanish why didnt he go meet sanchez personally to try and convince him to come . He said they knew they will suarez so why not met sanchez asap and persuade him.
Also just as roy evans said, just caise u have the cash does nkt mean you have to splash it. He should ahve waited and then gi for players in jan womdow who are looling to move
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars cha... (U10178)
posted 35 seconds ago
A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
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You can't blame him directly but the problem you have is that established players will look at your manager and see someone who has won nothing in the game really. But in truth Liverpool really don't have any pedigree in the last 10 years of signing marquee players.
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I don't think players give a crap what a manager has won in all reality, especially if he's just starting off. The factors are cash, what they think of the club, what chances they think they have of trophies and the location and life conditions they'll be living under.
Agreed
That's a bit of a money problem
We spend a lot, but not enough to be credible contenders
You have to have multiple signings in the highest price bracket on the top tier of wages to really show intent
If you don't do that then your a risky proposition for a top player
A top manager will attract top players, plus you have to be prepared to pay top wages to get the players in!
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
A top manager will attract top players, plus you have to be prepared to pay top wages to get the players in!
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I'd say who the manager is is low down the list of a players priorities. Unless of course the player actually knows the manager personally.
You have to look at why we didn't win the title last season and that's because we conceded to many goals. defensive players where signed but the method of coaching hasn't been addressed and neither has the goal keeping issue.
That is all down to the manager.
Rodgers took a lot of credit for improving players in his first 18 months.
Henderson, Flanagan, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez for example.
He hasn't improved anyone this season. Every player in the squad has gone backwards, from those who were here, to the new signings.
He has to take responsibility for that.
Football management is not just about making endless signings. Are you getting the most of the squad you do have? The answer this season is a massive no.
He isn't getting the best out of anyone. That's the biggest indictment because that is supposed to be his biggest strength. When you add that to very questionable signings, questionable tactics, questionable man-management, it all adds up to a shambles of a season.
If he isn't doing well at the thing that is supposed to be his biggest strength as a manager, then what hope is there?
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
So are we not offering the money or do top managers not want to play for Rodgers?
We missed out on the title because of a lack of attacking options past our first XI
Defending was almost never a reason for dropped points
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
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Liverpool has a proud history but to be honest most players are of an age now that didn't see any of the 80's. A player these days will look at Liverpool and see a good club but not right at the very top anymore. They don't really have the money to force a players hand like City could do with the likes of Aguero and Silva and Di Maria for United.
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 11 minutes ago
You have to look at why we didn't win the title last season and that's because we conceded to many goals. defensive players where signed but the method of coaching hasn't been addressed and neither has the goal keeping issue.
That is all down to the manager.
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Or you could say you have to look at why a squad who weren't the second best in the league managed to finish second and that was because we attacked like mad, left the defence vulnerable but scored a lot of goals.
That was down to the manager.
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 8 minutes ago
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
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We were never going to compete with Man City for players, they knew they were going somewhere where the club was going to keep signing players for very high prices and this would end in trophies and of course they'd be overpaid for it.
Di Maria cost over £50m, we were never going to pay that, although of course every fan would have been happy if we did.
We aren't offering the wages, but that's to be expected when you haven't had CL football for 5 years and are rebuilding the ground. We will offer the wages in time, that will be the business plan.
Lack of top players signed is no excuse for being midtable half way through the season.
I'm not saying go for those players I'm saying they don't have a problem living in the north west area, so the location isn't a problem. Size of club isn't a problem, what is the problem and it's got to be the wages on offer or the manager!
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 9 minutes ago
So are we not offering the money or do top managers not want to play for Rodgers?
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Sanchez chose Arsenal due to location. Mkhitaryan chose Dortmund, who were in the Champions League that year. Costa chose to stay at Atletico and then moved to Chelsea, Willian chose Chelsea.
I feel if we'd have been a year earlier in the CL we'd have got Costa, which actually seemed very close and also had a chance of Mkhitaryan but Dortmund were already an established club.
Yes Liverpool are a massive club but so are the others we were competing against and they have more recent pedigree. You have to be realistic. The main thing is we tried, which is the best we can do.
People going on about us missing out on Sanchez because he wanted to live in London.
I don't buy it! Liverpool and manchester are very cosmopolitan area's and London is 2 hours away by train and less by air!
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 38 seconds ago
People going on about us missing out on Sanchez because he wanted to live in London.
I don't buy it! Liverpool and manchester are very cosmopolitan area's and London is 2 hours away by train and less by air!
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So he lied?
I've not seen anything concrete from his mouth as to the location thing just unfounded media drivel.
Side note bony is bossing this game now!
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 4 minutes ago
I've not seen anything concrete from his mouth as to the location thing just unfounded media drivel.
Side note bony is bossing this game now!
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Well it certainly wasn't money as we offered more.
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 50 seconds ago
Maybe it was manager???
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A manager that had won one trophy in a decade and saw its best players leave every season to rivals? I doubt it.
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posted on 14/12/14
A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
posted on 14/12/14
A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
---
You can't blame him directly but the problem you have is that established players will look at your manager and see someone who has won nothing in the game really. But in truth Liverpool really don't have any pedigree in the last 10 years of signing marquee players.
posted on 14/12/14
comment by wishiwasinliverpool only posts when we lose yo... (U2432)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't hear your clever solution to the problem, TOOR, so come on, let's hear it.
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That's the thing, there is no click of the switch instant solution, this isn't a washing machine, you can't just turn it on to clean the crap, to use an analogy you might understand.
The manager proved last season he can get it right, almost winning the league, coming from a seventh place position, the season beforehand. He had us playing outstanding football, throughout the side. He made Henderson a better player, found a role for Gerrard who many thought was past it and he went on to get into the Premier League Team of the Year, also nominated for Player of the Year. He found the perfect system to get both Sturridge and Suarez on the pitch and playing well, which many doubted and he turned Henderson into a very good midfielder.
Unluckily for us, we weren't able to sign our targets and the main target to replace Suarez, in Sanchez would have been perfect but he went elsewhere. We had to settle for Balotelli, who has been useless. Sturridge got injured and that meant we lost both of the strikers who were not only scoring and assisting so many goals but pulling players all over the place, creating space for the midfield and giving them options to thread balls into. This isn't a managerial error, it's just tough sh it and what happens in football and has done throughout its history.
What we need to do is to get Sturridge back and get a striker in, to cover him whenever he's injured. Bony would be perfect.
Sacking the manager who we know can mount a title challenge after winning Manager of the Year only six months ago would be suicide and throw us back in terms of our progression.
We just need to show a bit of patience, so what's gone wrong and allow it to be fixed. Being fickle never got anybody anywhere. Ask Spurs.
posted on 14/12/14
Yes i can. Mamaget csn speak.fluent spanish why didnt he go meet sanchez personally to try and convince him to come . He said they knew they will suarez so why not met sanchez asap and persuade him.
Also just as roy evans said, just caise u have the cash does nkt mean you have to splash it. He should ahve waited and then gi for players in jan womdow who are looling to move
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Admiral Ozil is my new favourite Star Wars cha... (U10178)
posted 35 seconds ago
A lot of the signings are younger prospects
It will take a couple of years to really see if they're worth it
We went for established talent and they all rejected us
Not sure you can fault the manager for that
---
You can't blame him directly but the problem you have is that established players will look at your manager and see someone who has won nothing in the game really. But in truth Liverpool really don't have any pedigree in the last 10 years of signing marquee players.
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I don't think players give a crap what a manager has won in all reality, especially if he's just starting off. The factors are cash, what they think of the club, what chances they think they have of trophies and the location and life conditions they'll be living under.
posted on 14/12/14
Agreed
That's a bit of a money problem
We spend a lot, but not enough to be credible contenders
You have to have multiple signings in the highest price bracket on the top tier of wages to really show intent
If you don't do that then your a risky proposition for a top player
posted on 14/12/14
A top manager will attract top players, plus you have to be prepared to pay top wages to get the players in!
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 3 minutes ago
A top manager will attract top players, plus you have to be prepared to pay top wages to get the players in!
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I'd say who the manager is is low down the list of a players priorities. Unless of course the player actually knows the manager personally.
posted on 14/12/14
You have to look at why we didn't win the title last season and that's because we conceded to many goals. defensive players where signed but the method of coaching hasn't been addressed and neither has the goal keeping issue.
That is all down to the manager.
posted on 14/12/14
Rodgers took a lot of credit for improving players in his first 18 months.
Henderson, Flanagan, Coutinho, Sterling, Suarez for example.
He hasn't improved anyone this season. Every player in the squad has gone backwards, from those who were here, to the new signings.
He has to take responsibility for that.
Football management is not just about making endless signings. Are you getting the most of the squad you do have? The answer this season is a massive no.
He isn't getting the best out of anyone. That's the biggest indictment because that is supposed to be his biggest strength. When you add that to very questionable signings, questionable tactics, questionable man-management, it all adds up to a shambles of a season.
If he isn't doing well at the thing that is supposed to be his biggest strength as a manager, then what hope is there?
posted on 14/12/14
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
posted on 14/12/14
So are we not offering the money or do top managers not want to play for Rodgers?
posted on 14/12/14
We missed out on the title because of a lack of attacking options past our first XI
Defending was almost never a reason for dropped points
posted on 14/12/14
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
---
Liverpool has a proud history but to be honest most players are of an age now that didn't see any of the 80's. A player these days will look at Liverpool and see a good club but not right at the very top anymore. They don't really have the money to force a players hand like City could do with the likes of Aguero and Silva and Di Maria for United.
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 11 minutes ago
You have to look at why we didn't win the title last season and that's because we conceded to many goals. defensive players where signed but the method of coaching hasn't been addressed and neither has the goal keeping issue.
That is all down to the manager.
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Or you could say you have to look at why a squad who weren't the second best in the league managed to finish second and that was because we attacked like mad, left the defence vulnerable but scored a lot of goals.
That was down to the manager.
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 8 minutes ago
Money is obviously the main factor added in with club size, champions league and location.
Liverpool is a huge club.
We had champions league football
Players can live in Cheshire, which seems fine for the likes of Aguero, Di Maria, Ya'ya, silva!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We were never going to compete with Man City for players, they knew they were going somewhere where the club was going to keep signing players for very high prices and this would end in trophies and of course they'd be overpaid for it.
Di Maria cost over £50m, we were never going to pay that, although of course every fan would have been happy if we did.
posted on 14/12/14
We aren't offering the wages, but that's to be expected when you haven't had CL football for 5 years and are rebuilding the ground. We will offer the wages in time, that will be the business plan.
Lack of top players signed is no excuse for being midtable half way through the season.
posted on 14/12/14
I'm not saying go for those players I'm saying they don't have a problem living in the north west area, so the location isn't a problem. Size of club isn't a problem, what is the problem and it's got to be the wages on offer or the manager!
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 9 minutes ago
So are we not offering the money or do top managers not want to play for Rodgers?
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Sanchez chose Arsenal due to location. Mkhitaryan chose Dortmund, who were in the Champions League that year. Costa chose to stay at Atletico and then moved to Chelsea, Willian chose Chelsea.
I feel if we'd have been a year earlier in the CL we'd have got Costa, which actually seemed very close and also had a chance of Mkhitaryan but Dortmund were already an established club.
Yes Liverpool are a massive club but so are the others we were competing against and they have more recent pedigree. You have to be realistic. The main thing is we tried, which is the best we can do.
posted on 14/12/14
People going on about us missing out on Sanchez because he wanted to live in London.
I don't buy it! Liverpool and manchester are very cosmopolitan area's and London is 2 hours away by train and less by air!
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 38 seconds ago
People going on about us missing out on Sanchez because he wanted to live in London.
I don't buy it! Liverpool and manchester are very cosmopolitan area's and London is 2 hours away by train and less by air!
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So he lied?
posted on 14/12/14
I've not seen anything concrete from his mouth as to the location thing just unfounded media drivel.
Side note bony is bossing this game now!
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 4 minutes ago
I've not seen anything concrete from his mouth as to the location thing just unfounded media drivel.
Side note bony is bossing this game now!
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Well it certainly wasn't money as we offered more.
posted on 14/12/14
Maybe it was manager???
posted on 14/12/14
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 50 seconds ago
Maybe it was manager???
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A manager that had won one trophy in a decade and saw its best players leave every season to rivals? I doubt it.
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