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posted on 26/8/11

Kamran, it depends how much he comes for. I've been against the move all Summer because I thought we would have to pay £15M+ but if we can get him for around £10M I'd definitely consider it pretty good business.

posted on 26/8/11

"Kamran, it depends how much he comes for. I've been against the move all Summer because I thought we would have to pay £15M+ but if we can get him for around £10M I'd definitely consider it pretty good business."
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Lol, there's no way Wenger will pay more than 10M for a defender. I recko we'll get him for around 8M + a player.

posted on 26/8/11

There's no way Cahill will go for less than £12m. We have paid £7.5m in transfer fees alone so dnt know how you can suggest getting him for just 500k profit?

Cahill is much better than koscielny, and the reason being his aerial dominance. Arsenal conceded the most goals from set pieces, Kos had the lowest header win success rate last year, Cahill won more headers than ANY other player in the entire League. He has great positional sense, pace, good feet, scores goals, not to mention great mental strength, having coming back from a life threatening illness to break into England team a season later.

posted on 26/8/11

Arsenal are playing this Cahill deal well.

We're not paying over the odds quite rightly. We're getting Bolton frustrated because I can assure you that they need to sell Cahill, Bolton are in 93 million pounds of debt! We're offering realistic money as a starting offer. What's the problem???

As for Koscielny, he is an excellent foil for Vermaelen and a clever player. Much more to come from him which I'm looking forward to no end.

comment by Eboue (U3815)

posted on 26/8/11

not to mention great mental strength, having coming back from a life threatening illness to break into England team a season later.
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Let arsene know and you can have whatever you want for him

posted on 26/8/11

"Cahill is much better than koscielny, and the reason being his aerial dominance. Arsenal conceded the most goals from set pieces, Kos had the lowest header win success rate last year, Cahill won more headers than ANY other player in the entire League. He has great positional sense, pace, good feet, scores goals, not to mention great mental strength, having coming back from a life threatening illness to break into England team a season later".
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Cahill may be better than Kossy in the air, but Kossy's not half bad in the air himself. And I very much doubt he had the lowest header win success rate

Other than aerially, I think Kossy is better than Cahill at everything. His ability on the ball, his tackling, his positioning and his game-reading ability

posted on 26/8/11

Well unfortunately for you lot, until you sign Cahill, you will continue to leak goals. Because you havent got a strong enough defence or a leader who can play in a no nonsense style and win everything in the air. Kos win rate was 57% I think, lowest at Arsenal. Jag was 58%. Cahill was 66% but he also won the most headers. Only Vidic was higher at 70%.

posted on 26/8/11

We dnt need to sell Cahill, we would rather keep him and let him go for nothing next year if it meant a good league position, cup win and breaking into Europe.

posted on 26/8/11

Vermaelen is our best defender by a country country mile. He is dominant in the air and leads by example. I don't rate Koscielny or Djourou to be honest and id take Cahill over Koscielny any day.

posted on 26/8/11

Cahill also made more clearances than any player in the league last year, 10 a game.

posted on 26/8/11

I was talking from a media point of view rather than purely from a rival fan's point of view C_D.

Remember, the media is all encompasing these days. Even football forums such as this help form opinons.

Therefore, whislt we were all at Highbury wondering why other people didn't rate Adams, it impacted very little on our own "Arsenal psyche".

That isn't the same anymore and so we find ourself in a situation whereby other people's opinions, (especially if they happen to work for Sky or the ESPN or whatever rag happens to be most anti-Arsenal at the moment) are much more persuasive to the easily swayed.

I know this to be true.

Arsene Wenger alluded to it only last week.

posted on 26/8/11

"Well unfortunately for you lot, until you sign Cahill, you will continue to leak goals. Because you havent got a strong enough defence or a leader who can play in a no nonsense style and win everything in the air. Kos win rate was 57% I think, lowest at Arsenal. Jag was 58%. Cahill was 66% but he also won the most headers. Only Vidic was higher at 70%."
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I disagree. Our only defensive problem is defending set pieces and that cannot be addressed with any individual player. We just don't attack the ball well enough as a team.

posted on 26/8/11

"I disagree. Our only defensive problem is defending set pieces and that cannot be addressed with any individual player. We just don't attack the ball well enough as a team."

posted on 26/8/11

"Cahill is much better than koscielny, and the reason being his aerial dominance. Arsenal conceded the most goals from set pieces"

No we didn't. West Brom did. Bolton came 2nd.

posted on 26/8/11

"Bolton came 2nd."


posted on 26/8/11

No we didn't. West Brom did. Bolton came 2nd.

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Oh dear...

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posted on 26/8/11

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posted on 26/8/11

53% of the goals arsenal conceded were from Set pieces. Optastats.

Well you need players who attack the ball better like Cahill clearly.

posted on 26/8/11

"53% of the goals arsenal conceded were from Set pieces. Optastats."
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That's my point. Our only weakness defensively is defending set pieces.

"Well you need players who attack the ball better like Cahill clearly."
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One player won't change anything.

posted on 26/8/11

One player to lead the defence can make all the difference. If he was marking Kenwynne Jones you'd feel more comfortable, atleast a threat like him would be nullified.

posted on 26/8/11

Id like to thank Cheltenham Dunc for providing the website which can illustrate my point that arsenal need a big centre back.

So glad that no one replied because i was right.

posted on 26/8/11

"One player to lead the defence can make all the difference. If he was marking Kenwynne Jones you'd feel more comfortable, atleast a threat like him would be nullified."
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We already have a leader in Vermaelen. The fcat is, one player doesn't change anything when you're defending set pieces. We need to defend as a team.

Also, Djourou is quite similar to Cahill. He's good in the air and he's better on the ball.

"Id like to thank Cheltenham Dunc for providing the website which can illustrate my point that arsenal need a big centre back. "
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We don't need a first choice CB, but I'd happily take Cahill as cover for Kossy and Vermaelen.

"So glad that no one replied because i was right."
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You weren't right. People are just sick of repeating themselves.

posted on 27/8/11

It's all well and good saying you need to defend better as a team, but you need better defenders for that.

You need the individuals to make the team.

posted on 27/8/11

Or perhaps we just need better coaches?

posted on 27/8/11

"It's all well and good saying you need to defend better as a team, but you need better defenders for that."
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No, we need to defend better as a team. If we needed better defenders than what we already have, we wouldn't be going for Cahill

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