Becks was defo WC, probably my fav non chelsea player. Won't ever see a better crosser or free kick taker, way we could whip a ball in was second to none.
Was also a great leader on and off the pitch especially for England.
Weird article from you Ronny, think you're letting a bit of bias get in the way here mate
comment by Ronny Van Banterous - voted #1 Positive Ja606 member 2013 (U5996)
posted 4 seconds ago
he played in a Real Madrid team where it's best years were behind them and only won 1 major trophy and a joke trophy in the 4 years he was there. 4 YEARS at one of the biggest best clubs in the world and won 1 trophy.
He then played for a milan side that, again, were in free fall of becoming a joke club where he won absolutely fu(king nothing.
He only went to PSG on media hype and barely played any game time and won the league and let's all be honest, he didn't contribute a lot. About as much as Lukaku did for our champions league run id say.
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So because he joined 2 clubs that were struggling in relative terms, he's not world class? The Real Madrid team he was a part of was a complete joke until Capello steadied the ship.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing... (U6374)
posted 57 seconds ago
If he didn't have the media hype he'd be a slow less hard working James Milner.
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Clueless.
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Mine is that of an opinion that is clearly backed by facts. I could do an entire day's presentation on my view with facts and graphs that AVB would be proud of.
You are just another idiot that reads and buys into the media BS that happens on a daily basis.
You sound like a zoo/nuts reader that reads the back pages of the sun and believes stories such as Ronaldo coming back to United.
You sir are the clueless one
I don't think a player like Beckham would make it in the Premier League these days. It's only been 10 years but a lot has changed. Very few managers play 4-4-2, and very few teams have out and out wingers. There are less and less crosses into the box. Also, a lot more is expected of wide men these days. They need to track back, defend from the front, link up play,...etc..
Ronny
Hardly. He had just under a one in four strike rate at Utd and numerous assists. An incredible passing range whilst also being the best and most technical crosser of a ball in world football. That's a fact.
Your statement was indeed clueless I'm afraid.
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- A terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 58 seconds ago
Ok, so Beckham is average because two teams didn't win as much when he was there, now explain his time at United.
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Howard Webb?
RonnyVanBan showing everyone up once again
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing back. (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
There is no doubt that brand Beckham only existed because he could cross the ball better than literally anyone in the world. He could also whip it early and didn't even have to beat his man as he could manipulate the ball so well.
Quality player and a fine athlete despite lacking a bit of pace.
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Also an amazing engine, could keep going all game long.
Note how Uniteds form dipped for several years after he sadly left, no suprise there at all.
It's what you can make the ball do that counts. Lampard couldn't dribble past players either. Beckham was one of the most effective players I've ever seen in an England shirt.
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing... (U6374)
posted 29 minutes ago
Ronny
Hardly. He had just under a one in four strike rate at Utd and numerous assists. An incredible passing range whilst also being the best and most technical crosser of a ball in world football. That's a fact.
Your statement was indeed clueless I'm afraid.
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Alright Rafa, how's Napoli?
Haha wow.
Ronny, it's ok for you to have an opinion. But don't regress to acting like a toddler when most everybody tells you you're wrong. Take it on the chin, go back and watch some of what Beckham did on the pitch and accept that you may be incorrect.
comment by The Number 4 Shirt. (U19487)
posted 58 seconds ago
Haha wow.
Ronny, it's ok for you to have an opinion. But don't regress to acting like a toddler when most everybody tells you you're wrong. Take it on the chin, go back and watch some of what Beckham did on the pitch and accept that you may be incorrect.
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I'm not acting like a toddler?
comment by Ronny Van Banterous - voted #1 Positive Ja606 member 2013 (U5996)
posted 5 minutes ago
Alright Rafa, how's Napoli?
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And there you have it, Ronny has lost his argument so falls back on stupid nonsensical replies.
Hoody said fact , straight out of a Beavis & Buthead or South Park script. How wonderfully childish.
no you're right, a toddler has far too much maturity, you're just acting like a bell sniff
You've got Utd, Liverpool and chelsea fans saying you're talking out of your áss
I personally think he was and is the most overrated English footballer ever to come out of England and the inky reason people say he was world class is because of the incredible amounts of biased hype that overwhelmed the Beckham brand.
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I always found it had the opposite effect, the amount of hype and attention on Beckham drove most football fans to distraction, I remember being relieved when he left that at least he wouldn't be such big news all the time (just most of the time)
This would annoy people and put them off Beckham rather than endear him to people and make them like him more.
He was a very good player but he wasn't world class. Yes he was very overrated, because he pretty much became a brand, and is a very likeable guy, and of course was an amazing servant to his country and genuinely loved playing for England unlike so many other who often treat it as a chore. But he was still a very good player.
Becks is one of those players whose overall contribution belies his overall technique; I always think a good measure of a players natural football ability is how they’d fare playing in central midfield. Now some players are just talented players but then you get players who would struggle in central midfield but excel in a position they were born to play and Becks was born to play on the right wing (in his era).
I hated all that nonsense talk of playing Becks in the middle, I just don’t think he was cut out for it and equally I didn’t think it got the best from him. Becks wasn’t ‘world class’ in the sense you’d expect these players to mesmerise you with what they can do on the ball but he was a very effective player and a very specialist one. Beckham had limitations but his delivery was so good it made up for them and he played to his strengths.
I don’t think he’d be as effective in today’s systems but in a 4-4-2 Becks was world class IMO.
i wonder if the OP also believes that his 2 runner up positions in the FIFA world player of the year was also because he had floppy hair, appeared in adverts and was massively overated
Michael Owen won WPOTY and he was never world class.
maybe so, but to have the accolade of finishing runner up twice, suggests that it wasnt a fluke and the bloke maybe had a bit more talent than the OP is giving him.
I think you have a very strict definition of world class.
It was a pretty short window but Owen was up there with some of the best of them for a couple of seasons.
Takes a pretty special player to still be wanted as he leaves Madrid rather than be discarded during a galactico era as well.
Beckham not Owen.
In my opinion, not quite. Very close, and pretty amazing what he could do in dead ball situations and from the wing, this he was the best in the world, but i just feel he had so much missing from his overall game to just get into that bracket.
I don't get this logic of having to be an all-round talented player to be world class. If you are nothing but a poacher but score a hat-trick a game then you're world class, no question.
Agree with SAF here, think Beck's celebrity status actually makes people forget his footballing ability. Never the best in the world, but definitely a top class player without doubt.
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posted on 9/3/15
Becks was defo WC, probably my fav non chelsea player. Won't ever see a better crosser or free kick taker, way we could whip a ball in was second to none.
Was also a great leader on and off the pitch especially for England.
Weird article from you Ronny, think you're letting a bit of bias get in the way here mate
posted on 9/3/15
comment by Ronny Van Banterous - voted #1 Positive Ja606 member 2013 (U5996)
posted 4 seconds ago
he played in a Real Madrid team where it's best years were behind them and only won 1 major trophy and a joke trophy in the 4 years he was there. 4 YEARS at one of the biggest best clubs in the world and won 1 trophy.
He then played for a milan side that, again, were in free fall of becoming a joke club where he won absolutely fu(king nothing.
He only went to PSG on media hype and barely played any game time and won the league and let's all be honest, he didn't contribute a lot. About as much as Lukaku did for our champions league run id say.
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So because he joined 2 clubs that were struggling in relative terms, he's not world class? The Real Madrid team he was a part of was a complete joke until Capello steadied the ship.
posted on 9/3/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing... (U6374)
posted 57 seconds ago
If he didn't have the media hype he'd be a slow less hard working James Milner.
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Clueless.
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Mine is that of an opinion that is clearly backed by facts. I could do an entire day's presentation on my view with facts and graphs that AVB would be proud of.
You are just another idiot that reads and buys into the media BS that happens on a daily basis.
You sound like a zoo/nuts reader that reads the back pages of the sun and believes stories such as Ronaldo coming back to United.
You sir are the clueless one
posted on 9/3/15
I don't think a player like Beckham would make it in the Premier League these days. It's only been 10 years but a lot has changed. Very few managers play 4-4-2, and very few teams have out and out wingers. There are less and less crosses into the box. Also, a lot more is expected of wide men these days. They need to track back, defend from the front, link up play,...etc..
posted on 9/3/15
Ronny
Hardly. He had just under a one in four strike rate at Utd and numerous assists. An incredible passing range whilst also being the best and most technical crosser of a ball in world football. That's a fact.
Your statement was indeed clueless I'm afraid.
posted on 9/3/15
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posted on 9/3/15
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- A terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 58 seconds ago
Ok, so Beckham is average because two teams didn't win as much when he was there, now explain his time at United.
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Howard Webb?
posted on 9/3/15
RonnyVanBan showing everyone up once again
posted on 9/3/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing back. (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
There is no doubt that brand Beckham only existed because he could cross the ball better than literally anyone in the world. He could also whip it early and didn't even have to beat his man as he could manipulate the ball so well.
Quality player and a fine athlete despite lacking a bit of pace.
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Also an amazing engine, could keep going all game long.
Note how Uniteds form dipped for several years after he sadly left, no suprise there at all.
posted on 9/3/15
It's what you can make the ball do that counts. Lampard couldn't dribble past players either. Beckham was one of the most effective players I've ever seen in an England shirt.
posted on 9/3/15
comment by Robbing_Hoody - I taught Markovic to play wing... (U6374)
posted 29 minutes ago
Ronny
Hardly. He had just under a one in four strike rate at Utd and numerous assists. An incredible passing range whilst also being the best and most technical crosser of a ball in world football. That's a fact.
Your statement was indeed clueless I'm afraid.
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Alright Rafa, how's Napoli?
posted on 9/3/15
Haha wow.
Ronny, it's ok for you to have an opinion. But don't regress to acting like a toddler when most everybody tells you you're wrong. Take it on the chin, go back and watch some of what Beckham did on the pitch and accept that you may be incorrect.
posted on 9/3/15
comment by The Number 4 Shirt. (U19487)
posted 58 seconds ago
Haha wow.
Ronny, it's ok for you to have an opinion. But don't regress to acting like a toddler when most everybody tells you you're wrong. Take it on the chin, go back and watch some of what Beckham did on the pitch and accept that you may be incorrect.
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I'm not acting like a toddler?
posted on 9/3/15
comment by Ronny Van Banterous - voted #1 Positive Ja606 member 2013 (U5996)
posted 5 minutes ago
Alright Rafa, how's Napoli?
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And there you have it, Ronny has lost his argument so falls back on stupid nonsensical replies.
Hoody said fact , straight out of a Beavis & Buthead or South Park script. How wonderfully childish.
posted on 9/3/15
no you're right, a toddler has far too much maturity, you're just acting like a bell sniff
You've got Utd, Liverpool and chelsea fans saying you're talking out of your áss
posted on 9/3/15
I personally think he was and is the most overrated English footballer ever to come out of England and the inky reason people say he was world class is because of the incredible amounts of biased hype that overwhelmed the Beckham brand.
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I always found it had the opposite effect, the amount of hype and attention on Beckham drove most football fans to distraction, I remember being relieved when he left that at least he wouldn't be such big news all the time (just most of the time)
This would annoy people and put them off Beckham rather than endear him to people and make them like him more.
posted on 9/3/15
He was a very good player but he wasn't world class. Yes he was very overrated, because he pretty much became a brand, and is a very likeable guy, and of course was an amazing servant to his country and genuinely loved playing for England unlike so many other who often treat it as a chore. But he was still a very good player.
posted on 9/3/15
Becks is one of those players whose overall contribution belies his overall technique; I always think a good measure of a players natural football ability is how they’d fare playing in central midfield. Now some players are just talented players but then you get players who would struggle in central midfield but excel in a position they were born to play and Becks was born to play on the right wing (in his era).
I hated all that nonsense talk of playing Becks in the middle, I just don’t think he was cut out for it and equally I didn’t think it got the best from him. Becks wasn’t ‘world class’ in the sense you’d expect these players to mesmerise you with what they can do on the ball but he was a very effective player and a very specialist one. Beckham had limitations but his delivery was so good it made up for them and he played to his strengths.
I don’t think he’d be as effective in today’s systems but in a 4-4-2 Becks was world class IMO.
posted on 9/3/15
i wonder if the OP also believes that his 2 runner up positions in the FIFA world player of the year was also because he had floppy hair, appeared in adverts and was massively overated
posted on 9/3/15
Michael Owen won WPOTY and he was never world class.
posted on 9/3/15
maybe so, but to have the accolade of finishing runner up twice, suggests that it wasnt a fluke and the bloke maybe had a bit more talent than the OP is giving him.
posted on 9/3/15
I think you have a very strict definition of world class.
It was a pretty short window but Owen was up there with some of the best of them for a couple of seasons.
posted on 9/3/15
Takes a pretty special player to still be wanted as he leaves Madrid rather than be discarded during a galactico era as well.
Beckham not Owen.
posted on 9/3/15
In my opinion, not quite. Very close, and pretty amazing what he could do in dead ball situations and from the wing, this he was the best in the world, but i just feel he had so much missing from his overall game to just get into that bracket.
posted on 9/3/15
I don't get this logic of having to be an all-round talented player to be world class. If you are nothing but a poacher but score a hat-trick a game then you're world class, no question.
Agree with SAF here, think Beck's celebrity status actually makes people forget his footballing ability. Never the best in the world, but definitely a top class player without doubt.
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