He's bitched and whined daily since the old beeb
606 days. Blind egotistical squirrels find a nut every
now and again.
It sunk in a long time ago for plenty of others too!
Putting a failed conference manager in charge of one of the biggest clubs in England was the final straw for me.
Yeah ok he was right, but cellino did give us some financial stability when we desperately needed it....
We don't need to admit Jonty was right, he's already saying it himself on every thread and article he can.....
batty, squirrels don't find every nut, but they have a good sense for finding the right ones!.
So, his bitching or whatever you want to call it had to be done!.
Harrogate, I've seen how Jonty's been and never said much against it, but that might be because I've seen things I didn't think were right!..
harj, people thought Bates gave us the same until he started selling!..
Jonty said how he saw things, got hung for doing it, and deserves a pat on the back for sticking to what he said!..
As far as I see it, he can hold his head high, and some around here should hang theirs in shame!.
salonika, amazing what some can do when they're right, but there are still a few that try and bring him down and won't credit him where it is due!..
I'm asking who's big enough to give him credit that he's fully entitled to!..
One star, oh, the love of my life!.
Even though I don't always agree (actually hardly ever) with Jonty we do have a mutual respect and often converse off 606.
Was he/is he right?
On some things yes. Cellino is not what we need and has been shown to be a crook by the courts. But he has done some good at the club. Maybe Jonty could agree with that?
Unfortunately it's not enough though.
The bottom line for me is that the bad outweighs the good.
Time to go.
Germany,
What about those others who stuck by what they said, and were right, are you going to give them a pat on back, or just stay in bed with Jonty.
"Jonty said how he saw things, got hung for doing it, and deserves a pat on the back for sticking to what he said!.."
Nothing's actually happened yet, we have seen some decisions made that some fans disagree with, that's normality at Leeds and on this forum, but nothing massive has happened yet.
Thommo got suspended, for what no one is fully clear on yet. Umbers name, not Cellinos name keeps popping up and Salernos name popped up on the suspension letter, then Salerno mentioned that Antenucci will continue to be picked if required by the coach.
For the record, I've never trusted Umbers.
I find it interesting that some still berate our suspended owner who is in Miami, irrespective of the ongoings of others in the boardroom.
While the cat's away the mice will play.
So what has happened that makes Jonty right and deserving of your "all hail Jonty" praises?
Stoopo, as much as Jonty might have wound some up, he was more right then most around here!..
He said all along it would turn out bad, and if looking around now doesn't prove his saying, we might as well carry on the way it is!.
Luvr, past posts with you show me you ain't even worth answering!..
Jonty called it for Bates and called it for Cellino - in both cases very early.
Some will just never recognize or acknowledge it, especially those that delighted in trying to divide us on this board.
Well done, son!
I very rarely comment on these issues, simply because I do not want to be part of the 'playground' antics of some posters. I thought, however, on this occasion I would.
In all honesty I have been a fence sitter where Cellino is concerned - I hoped that he mirrored the passion the Leeds fans have and would do some good. I have spent a lot of time abroad and have a more liberal view of the tax evasion 'scandal' ( the Italians still allow landowners to build illegally, fine them and then the building 'becomes' legal - make sense of that one.) I listened to the likes of Jonty and more recently JaLiw and began to see the risks of having a Maverick in charge. I hoped that Cellino would recognise that he would need to adapt to being an owner in England and in charge of our great club.
So, as I say I was a fence sitter.
The events of the last couple of days have left me despondent and with that all too familiar 'why is it always us' feeling. Is Cellino to blame - yes. He's either pulling the strings from afar or he's put someone in charge who is clueless.
So I have to say Jonty you were right and people should acknowledge that.
What I don't like, however, is for the last few weeks (when the future looked brighter) Jonty was 'busy.' (I apologise if that seems petty) and even more so that now every thread has a 'I told you I was right' comment. I would have much more respect for him if he had put up one thread saying 'I told you I was right - and I'm going to leave it at that.'
Doha
I think your last paragraph sums it up for me in respect to Jonty.
As far as Cellino is concerned I believe he had the best intentions but something has changed. I think the FL banning him has affected him, and having Umbers in charge has made things worse.
It sounds like he's setting things up to sell and get out.
I couldn't stand Bates and Cellino was a godsend at the time but it's all been too difficult for him. I think he underestimated the quality of the league and the depth of $hit he inherited, and on top of that he gets banned for a non UK related tax dodge.
And although the latest episode has delighted some Cellino haters there was real optimism around the place.
Some people are more fickle than others I guess. Personally I'm interested to hear what Cellino himself has to say about Thompson.
As for Antenucci, well there were some on here who preferred the non scoring Morison so they can't now take issue with him not being played due to contract reasons.
If we get a new owner, Crowe for example, then there will be people who won't like him and the cycle will continue.
Grayson out, Warnock out, Bates out, Cellino out etc etc
I've not said much since the latest events unfurled.
Was Jonty right? Well if you read his posts, and I do, he covers a lot of bases albeit the general theme is about how Cellino is really Dr Evil in disguise. Read his initial thoughts on GFH & McDonut..... Matters not.
It's not about Jonty, although some might argue differently, it's about Leeds United.
Thompson leaving is perhaps the most negative aspect of all of this. His arrival has coincided with some consistency in performance on the field and less headline grabbing issues off it. Football was back on the agenda.
Losing Thompson and his coaching ability & tactical nous puts Redfearn back in the spotlight. I've read much in the last few days, facts plus fiction.
Nobody comes out of it with any credibility. Umbers is a man I've despised from the off and he seems very central to the plot.
My view is quite simple. There does seem to be a theme here. Someone is clearing the ship for a new direction. Best way to remove the current captain without, ostensibly, incurring the wrath of the faithful, would be to undermine him to the point that he walks.
Players' contracts and clauses therein are something of a smokescreen.
I suspect all contract negotiations are on hold until new owners are in place. Not ideal for the populus but sensible from a business perspective. I also believe "new owners" could potentially have there own ideas on who'd be better equipped to lead this great club.
I'm genuinely sorry for Redfearn. Not his greatest fan but the Redfearn/Thompson partnership was working well and we were seeing youth combining well with the more experienced members of our squad.
It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
Salerno is leaving apparently. His role in Thompson's removal is very much a PR tactic. Deflect criticism. Trouble is we're not just fickle we're also quite cynical and can see a curved ball before it's been thrown.
Russell Crowe won't be coming. Something bigger but not necessarily better might be.
We're still Leeds aren't we? No matter what.....
MOT
Thanks for the supportive thread Germany.
I haven't gone around saying I'm right, what I have done is asked a couple of folk in particular if they now agree with me - Kev and batty who seemed to make it their mission to try and take the mick out of my position on Cellino.
Doha, if you read these boards then you will have seen that there have a number of people saying the same thing about Cellino and all of us have had a load of stick for it.
I just hope we learn from experience like this. Cellino's track record was there for all to see, everything that has happened since he came in should have been of no surprise to anyone. It just seems that people are so desperate for a saviour at times that they pretend all the character traits of a potential bad owner will suddenly disappear.
Oh, and for the record Doha, I've been coaching at Easter holiday tennis camps in Oxford the last 2 weeks, pretty hard to comment on an online forum when you're on a tennis court or travelling with coaches.
For someone as savvy about social media in all forms it must have been extremely difficult Jonty love.
Success is the only thing that's stopped you before.
Why not just be honest for a change...?
LufcGermany
Can you tell me where I can get his autograph and a poster
Who cares who was right or wrong ! The amount of point scoring on here really is ridiculous.
Doha I agree with you up to clueless, you sum it up nicely.
The rest of it is just playground antics, if some people feel better about themselves if they believe they are right or others wrong so be it.
Where we better off with gfh then the end of Bates? Where we better off With Cellinho then the end of Gfh?
Have we had any progress? Knowing some of the financials I think yes to all the above.
Does this club and fans deserve far more then all of the above put together, absolutely.
I personally think through all of this Bates complicated the whole club and structure. Let's not forget the head of the football league didn't know who owned us!!!!
Maybe Cellinho's only legacy is that any subsequent sale would be much simpler but of course that might just be bull😉
The last financials show that Cellino has massively increased the debt.
I'm sure Jonty takes no pleasure from seeing the turmoil we're in.
I agree though the playground antics don't make this a pleasurable place to be at times.
Exactly Stel.
I want every owner of Leeds to be successful in running the club.
But I don't want owners lying, stealing and treating people like dirt.
I wish I was completely wrong with Cellino but he's been acting this way for years, was never going to change.
Irrespective of anyone's background, I have always believed in giving someone the benefit of the doubt until they have proven they are not worthy.
That is not the same as respecting them or trusting them - both only comes when someone has shown their credentials.
Cellino said a lot, and he did a lot. He put a lot of money in before he had even bought us, he says he stopped us haemorrhaging money, and he made a lot of noises and promises. He needed to be given the time to prove whether he would keep to those promises and whether his words were true or not.
That was the only issue I had with Jonty - he never gave Cellino a single opportunity.
As it happens, Cellino proved himself with broken promise after broken promise, stupid decisions based on micro-management and inability to let the experts do their job without interfering, and egotistical ideas that he was indispensable.
We have done better with him out of the picture.
There had been many strange decisions, but he lost my last benefit of the doubt when he did not buy back ER or TA. Since then, he has been quite bizarre and I haven;t cared much for talking about him. I'm just waiting for him and GFH to be gone.
LST a lot of sensible points.
For me the ground issue sums Cellinho up and one of his biggest mistakes. His heart ruled his head and he made comments that the fans can continually throw back at him.
The reality is that Leeds United can buy back the ground at an agreed price at any time for a number of years into the future, 100% in Leeds United's control.
While this is in place and until the club has 100% ownership all pulling in the same direction it makes no business sense to buy the ground back. Does Cellinho have 100%?
Football fans expectations do not often conform to business decisions, hence his mistake.
Jonty knows i like him. However he is the most self promoting man i have ever met (and that includes Tony Duncan)
He "seems" to only appear when bad news is upon us.
He thinks he is Fred Perry.
He mocks me sometimes.
He is taller than me.
On a positive note, he does deliver his dreary news with references and a clear indication of research, something you cannot argue with. He also loves the club, and dated Lenny Henrys sister.
Keep the swine
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posted on 4/4/15
He's bitched and whined daily since the old beeb
606 days. Blind egotistical squirrels find a nut every
now and again.
posted on 4/4/15
It sunk in a long time ago for plenty of others too!
Putting a failed conference manager in charge of one of the biggest clubs in England was the final straw for me.
posted on 4/4/15
Yeah ok he was right, but cellino did give us some financial stability when we desperately needed it....
posted on 4/4/15
We don't need to admit Jonty was right, he's already saying it himself on every thread and article he can.....
posted on 4/4/15
batty, squirrels don't find every nut, but they have a good sense for finding the right ones!.
So, his bitching or whatever you want to call it had to be done!.
Harrogate, I've seen how Jonty's been and never said much against it, but that might be because I've seen things I didn't think were right!..
harj, people thought Bates gave us the same until he started selling!..
Jonty said how he saw things, got hung for doing it, and deserves a pat on the back for sticking to what he said!..
As far as I see it, he can hold his head high, and some around here should hang theirs in shame!.
posted on 4/4/15
salonika, amazing what some can do when they're right, but there are still a few that try and bring him down and won't credit him where it is due!..
I'm asking who's big enough to give him credit that he's fully entitled to!..
One star, oh, the love of my life!.
posted on 4/4/15
Even though I don't always agree (actually hardly ever) with Jonty we do have a mutual respect and often converse off 606.
Was he/is he right?
On some things yes. Cellino is not what we need and has been shown to be a crook by the courts. But he has done some good at the club. Maybe Jonty could agree with that?
Unfortunately it's not enough though.
The bottom line for me is that the bad outweighs the good.
Time to go.
posted on 4/4/15
Germany,
What about those others who stuck by what they said, and were right, are you going to give them a pat on back, or just stay in bed with Jonty.
"Jonty said how he saw things, got hung for doing it, and deserves a pat on the back for sticking to what he said!.."
Nothing's actually happened yet, we have seen some decisions made that some fans disagree with, that's normality at Leeds and on this forum, but nothing massive has happened yet.
Thommo got suspended, for what no one is fully clear on yet. Umbers name, not Cellinos name keeps popping up and Salernos name popped up on the suspension letter, then Salerno mentioned that Antenucci will continue to be picked if required by the coach.
For the record, I've never trusted Umbers.
I find it interesting that some still berate our suspended owner who is in Miami, irrespective of the ongoings of others in the boardroom.
While the cat's away the mice will play.
So what has happened that makes Jonty right and deserving of your "all hail Jonty" praises?
posted on 4/4/15
Stoopo, as much as Jonty might have wound some up, he was more right then most around here!..
He said all along it would turn out bad, and if looking around now doesn't prove his saying, we might as well carry on the way it is!.
Luvr, past posts with you show me you ain't even worth answering!..
posted on 4/4/15
Jonty called it for Bates and called it for Cellino - in both cases very early.
Some will just never recognize or acknowledge it, especially those that delighted in trying to divide us on this board.
Well done, son!
posted on 4/4/15
I very rarely comment on these issues, simply because I do not want to be part of the 'playground' antics of some posters. I thought, however, on this occasion I would.
In all honesty I have been a fence sitter where Cellino is concerned - I hoped that he mirrored the passion the Leeds fans have and would do some good. I have spent a lot of time abroad and have a more liberal view of the tax evasion 'scandal' ( the Italians still allow landowners to build illegally, fine them and then the building 'becomes' legal - make sense of that one.) I listened to the likes of Jonty and more recently JaLiw and began to see the risks of having a Maverick in charge. I hoped that Cellino would recognise that he would need to adapt to being an owner in England and in charge of our great club.
So, as I say I was a fence sitter.
The events of the last couple of days have left me despondent and with that all too familiar 'why is it always us' feeling. Is Cellino to blame - yes. He's either pulling the strings from afar or he's put someone in charge who is clueless.
So I have to say Jonty you were right and people should acknowledge that.
What I don't like, however, is for the last few weeks (when the future looked brighter) Jonty was 'busy.' (I apologise if that seems petty) and even more so that now every thread has a 'I told you I was right' comment. I would have much more respect for him if he had put up one thread saying 'I told you I was right - and I'm going to leave it at that.'
posted on 4/4/15
Doha
I think your last paragraph sums it up for me in respect to Jonty.
As far as Cellino is concerned I believe he had the best intentions but something has changed. I think the FL banning him has affected him, and having Umbers in charge has made things worse.
It sounds like he's setting things up to sell and get out.
I couldn't stand Bates and Cellino was a godsend at the time but it's all been too difficult for him. I think he underestimated the quality of the league and the depth of $hit he inherited, and on top of that he gets banned for a non UK related tax dodge.
And although the latest episode has delighted some Cellino haters there was real optimism around the place.
Some people are more fickle than others I guess. Personally I'm interested to hear what Cellino himself has to say about Thompson.
As for Antenucci, well there were some on here who preferred the non scoring Morison so they can't now take issue with him not being played due to contract reasons.
If we get a new owner, Crowe for example, then there will be people who won't like him and the cycle will continue.
Grayson out, Warnock out, Bates out, Cellino out etc etc
posted on 4/4/15
I've not said much since the latest events unfurled.
Was Jonty right? Well if you read his posts, and I do, he covers a lot of bases albeit the general theme is about how Cellino is really Dr Evil in disguise. Read his initial thoughts on GFH & McDonut..... Matters not.
It's not about Jonty, although some might argue differently, it's about Leeds United.
Thompson leaving is perhaps the most negative aspect of all of this. His arrival has coincided with some consistency in performance on the field and less headline grabbing issues off it. Football was back on the agenda.
Losing Thompson and his coaching ability & tactical nous puts Redfearn back in the spotlight. I've read much in the last few days, facts plus fiction.
Nobody comes out of it with any credibility. Umbers is a man I've despised from the off and he seems very central to the plot.
My view is quite simple. There does seem to be a theme here. Someone is clearing the ship for a new direction. Best way to remove the current captain without, ostensibly, incurring the wrath of the faithful, would be to undermine him to the point that he walks.
Players' contracts and clauses therein are something of a smokescreen.
I suspect all contract negotiations are on hold until new owners are in place. Not ideal for the populus but sensible from a business perspective. I also believe "new owners" could potentially have there own ideas on who'd be better equipped to lead this great club.
I'm genuinely sorry for Redfearn. Not his greatest fan but the Redfearn/Thompson partnership was working well and we were seeing youth combining well with the more experienced members of our squad.
It's going to be an interesting few weeks.
Salerno is leaving apparently. His role in Thompson's removal is very much a PR tactic. Deflect criticism. Trouble is we're not just fickle we're also quite cynical and can see a curved ball before it's been thrown.
Russell Crowe won't be coming. Something bigger but not necessarily better might be.
We're still Leeds aren't we? No matter what.....
MOT
posted on 4/4/15
Thanks for the supportive thread Germany.
I haven't gone around saying I'm right, what I have done is asked a couple of folk in particular if they now agree with me - Kev and batty who seemed to make it their mission to try and take the mick out of my position on Cellino.
Doha, if you read these boards then you will have seen that there have a number of people saying the same thing about Cellino and all of us have had a load of stick for it.
I just hope we learn from experience like this. Cellino's track record was there for all to see, everything that has happened since he came in should have been of no surprise to anyone. It just seems that people are so desperate for a saviour at times that they pretend all the character traits of a potential bad owner will suddenly disappear.
posted on 4/4/15
Oh, and for the record Doha, I've been coaching at Easter holiday tennis camps in Oxford the last 2 weeks, pretty hard to comment on an online forum when you're on a tennis court or travelling with coaches.
posted on 4/4/15
For someone as savvy about social media in all forms it must have been extremely difficult Jonty love.
Success is the only thing that's stopped you before.
Why not just be honest for a change...?
LufcGermany
Can you tell me where I can get his autograph and a poster
posted on 4/4/15
Who cares who was right or wrong ! The amount of point scoring on here really is ridiculous.
posted on 4/4/15
Doha I agree with you up to clueless, you sum it up nicely.
The rest of it is just playground antics, if some people feel better about themselves if they believe they are right or others wrong so be it.
Where we better off with gfh then the end of Bates? Where we better off With Cellinho then the end of Gfh?
Have we had any progress? Knowing some of the financials I think yes to all the above.
Does this club and fans deserve far more then all of the above put together, absolutely.
I personally think through all of this Bates complicated the whole club and structure. Let's not forget the head of the football league didn't know who owned us!!!!
Maybe Cellinho's only legacy is that any subsequent sale would be much simpler but of course that might just be bull😉
posted on 4/4/15
The last financials show that Cellino has massively increased the debt.
posted on 4/4/15
Yawn zzzzzz
posted on 4/4/15
I'm sure Jonty takes no pleasure from seeing the turmoil we're in.
I agree though the playground antics don't make this a pleasurable place to be at times.
posted on 4/4/15
Exactly Stel.
I want every owner of Leeds to be successful in running the club.
But I don't want owners lying, stealing and treating people like dirt.
I wish I was completely wrong with Cellino but he's been acting this way for years, was never going to change.
posted on 4/4/15
Irrespective of anyone's background, I have always believed in giving someone the benefit of the doubt until they have proven they are not worthy.
That is not the same as respecting them or trusting them - both only comes when someone has shown their credentials.
Cellino said a lot, and he did a lot. He put a lot of money in before he had even bought us, he says he stopped us haemorrhaging money, and he made a lot of noises and promises. He needed to be given the time to prove whether he would keep to those promises and whether his words were true or not.
That was the only issue I had with Jonty - he never gave Cellino a single opportunity.
As it happens, Cellino proved himself with broken promise after broken promise, stupid decisions based on micro-management and inability to let the experts do their job without interfering, and egotistical ideas that he was indispensable.
We have done better with him out of the picture.
There had been many strange decisions, but he lost my last benefit of the doubt when he did not buy back ER or TA. Since then, he has been quite bizarre and I haven;t cared much for talking about him. I'm just waiting for him and GFH to be gone.
posted on 4/4/15
LST a lot of sensible points.
For me the ground issue sums Cellinho up and one of his biggest mistakes. His heart ruled his head and he made comments that the fans can continually throw back at him.
The reality is that Leeds United can buy back the ground at an agreed price at any time for a number of years into the future, 100% in Leeds United's control.
While this is in place and until the club has 100% ownership all pulling in the same direction it makes no business sense to buy the ground back. Does Cellinho have 100%?
Football fans expectations do not often conform to business decisions, hence his mistake.
posted on 4/4/15
Jonty knows i like him. However he is the most self promoting man i have ever met (and that includes Tony Duncan)
He "seems" to only appear when bad news is upon us.
He thinks he is Fred Perry.
He mocks me sometimes.
He is taller than me.
On a positive note, he does deliver his dreary news with references and a clear indication of research, something you cannot argue with. He also loves the club, and dated Lenny Henrys sister.
Keep the swine
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