I don't mean this season alone but in general the biggest factor you don't get top 4 is that there's always at least 4 better/richer/bigger clubs who should be finishing above you, I think you've done well to be so consistent in the last 10 years and finish 4th a couple of times. You're best teams were Martin Jol's and Redknapp's imo so I get why you're annoyed you didn't push on with the bale money but after losing your best players it's hard to improve which was the same for us. How Baldini is still in a job though When Spurs move stadiums then I think you could become more of a threat.
internal, it all boils down to getting the right coach in and that's all. You say better, richer and bigger clubs well we lost a lot of home matches to teams we'd normally beat so top 4 was on, if only.
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but in your opinion what is the single biggest reason why our season has completely tailed off?
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I dont think it has tailed off as you put it I think our form has been distinctly average to poor all season.
Obviously the high of a cup final hid some of it even if we played nobody to get there and some huge slices of luck had us in an artifical league position giving us hope for a while.
I dont think there is one cause I think there are quite a few.
Firstly our transfer policy and implementation have seen us simply waste millions.
Some of the players are just not good enough and even some that are highly rated by our supporters (Eriksen) have as many poor games as they do good games.
Our manager IMO has made some stupid decisions (choice of captains) and has not been anywhere near as capable as I expected he would be when we appointed him. No I am NOT advocating a change of manager.
Our coaching is pure crap the amount of times we make the same mistakes time and time again is embarrassing.
Rotating to a stupid degree when we dont have the squad to achieve this.
All of these have contributed to what has been a season that we will not remember with great joy.
The players need to shape up but so do the manager and coaches IMO thats where I would point the finger first
I just have to respond to some of the ridiculous comments regarding Harry.
It’s claimed he inherited King, Modric and Bale. Well, Bale was just an average left back at the time, King was on his last legs, and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived. Harry helped Bale become the player he is today – yes he improved further under AVB – but would AVB have ever thought of, or gambled on, using him as a winger and moved him further up the pitch – I doubt it – yet because Harry ended up getting the best out of these players they are somehow being used as a stick to beat him with.
Also I 100% disagree that the England vacancy interfered with his management. If our results had gone through a bad patch during his court case – that would have been blamed – but because they dipped during the England stuff – that is blamed. I just refuse to believe that VDV missed an open goal in the 0-0 draw with Chelsea because of the England job, or the sitter in the 0-0 draw versus Sunderland (for example). And from memory we had a similar dip, at a similar time, the season before – where there was no England vacancy.
Football results will always dip here and there. It is not the order in which you win, lose or draw that determines the position you finish in, it’s the amount of wins, draws and losses that do that over the season – and we did enough to finish in a targeted 4th place. Of course, when we missed out on CL football because of Chelsea winning the CL certain posters changed the “target” to claim it was “CL football” and not 4th, but we all know, every season, the pundits, players, Chairmen etc all refer to the prize as “Top Four”.
Oh and I love the way Levy is getting credit for all the signings that worked out under Harry, and Harry is getting mocked for the ones that didn’t – you really could not make it up.
But on a serious note, the fact remains that Harry managed to finish 4th, twice, in just 3 seasons, on a decent budget, playing some of the most entertaining football we’ve seen at the Lane in quite some time – so why he lacks credit on here I have no idea.
I fully expect to receive some sarcastic responses either asking whether I’m actually Harry Redknapp, Harry’s lovechild or that I need to “let it go” but please remember I wasn’t the one who brought up Harry – or decided to debate about his era, I’m just responding to the article postings. Peace .
bit ott....and beside's i said thats why harry got the sack....not that it was true.
i also responded that harry didnt sign VDV not anybody else.....harry done his usual trumpet blowing window act admitting that vdv was a levy signing.....
'daniel phoned me up and said he had a present for me....'
'i thought 'triffic...new company car.....never thought it wld be VDV.....'
I'VE ALSO STATED MANY A TIME THAT LOSS OF FORM WAS AS MUCH PLAYERS AS THE GAFFER....IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FAR ONE WAY WITH HARRY....YOUR GOING TO FAR T'OTHER......
id say levy was piffed at the way harry was trumpeting after the england job after levy/the club had backed harry all thru his court case....
junction8
bit ott....and beside's i said thats why harry got the sack....not that it was true.
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I responded to all the posts as a whole - not just yours.
Harry helped Bale become the player he is today – yes he improved further under AVB – but would AVB have ever thought of, or gambled on, using him as a winger and moved him further up the pitch – I doubt it
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lets get our facts straight. he was about to be sent on loan, when an injury/suspension to our first choice left back meant he couldn't as we needed to use him... and it turned out he was immense going forward.. and then when our left back came back, he naturally moved him further up the pitch.
it was an obvious move, and he was very lucky with the whole bale thing.
Oh and I love the way Levy is getting credit for all the signings that worked out under Harry, and Harry is getting mocked for the ones that didn’t – you really could not make it up.
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pretty sure I gave redknapp credit for gallas parker and palacios.
and I gave levy credit for sandro and vdv.
don't see the problem.
Chronic,
You didn't even know he re-signed Keano....
As for sending Bale out on loan:
a) We hadn't won a game when Bale had featured, so you have to consider your options.
b) It didnt happen - so quite irrelevant.
comment by Chicken (If Carlsberg did consistent posters...) (U1043)
posted 12 minutes ago
As for sending Bale out on loan:
a) We hadn't won a game when Bale had featured, so you have to consider your options.
b) It didnt happen - so quite irrelevant.
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it is relevant because you are hailing redknapp as a genius for the bale stuff - and I am telling you that actuallu redknapp was gonna send him on loan, and only kept him due to injury/suspension !
I didnt hail anyone as a genius, i just said he deserves credit.
Bale was just an average left back, and considered a curse to the team, when Harry was first manager. When he left, he was one of the most feared players in the league - if not europe.
Simple as that...
comment by Chicken (If Carlsberg did consistent posters...) (U1043)
posted 40 seconds ago
I didnt hail anyone as a genius, i just said he deserves credit.
Bale was just an average left back, and considered a curse to the team, when Harry was first manager. When he left, he was one of the most feared players in the league - if not europe.
Simple as that...
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yeah. redknapp was fortunate. for the reasons I explained above
a much better pro redknapp argument would be what he did with modric (move him from lm to cm).
and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived
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only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
Tbf, there are plenty of impatient fools out there. Just look at Marca and the Madrid fans who voted him their worst signing after a few months. Now they sing his name louder than even Ronaldo's
Harry was lucky to have Modric, not the other way around.
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and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived
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only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
Tbf, there are plenty of impatient fools out there. Just look at Marca and the Madrid fans who voted him their worst signing after a few months. Now they sing his name louder than even Ronaldo's
Harry was lucky to have Modric, not the other way around.
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I dont think a single person labeled Luka a flop tbh.
I don't recall this either Edin
It's just Chicken pumping off Harry (again)
chicken is so predictable. its the same every time.
Sherwood's willy in one hand, harry's cucumber in the other.
its a bit tiresome now
only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
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Posters on here must have very short memories. Actually I’ll rephrase that - posters on here have ridiculously short memories.
Modric looked way out of his depth before Harry came in. Signing Modric was a good thing for us (and good for Harry to work with), but only an idiot would claim Modric had a positive effect on the team, or looked to be a good signing, whilst we were at our lowest league position since the Titanic sank.
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chicken
To be honest I agree with chronic regarding Bale I think harry got super lucky when he was forced to play Bale due to injuries.
I do not think Harry looked at him and saw a winger I just think he looked and thought he is all I have available.
I personally believe Bale made himself I dont believe Harry was instrumental in it at all.
Bale was sub for one game and had this tag of never having been on the winning side for Spurs. We were 3-0 up against Stoke and Harry still never bought Bale on to get rid of that tag.
IMO a decent manager who genuinely believed Bale was a great prospect would have bought him on in that game to get the monkey off his back and ease the pressure on him.
Harry did nothing leading me to believe that he never really intended to integrate bale into the team nor did he believe he was a great prospect.
Thats my personal opinion and I dont care who thinks otherwise.
Also Harry had to go and I dont give a damn how well we done under him. He disrespected the club IMO thinking he was going to get the England job and there was no way back for him after that.
Levy is no fool, no matter what Don says, and he would not have got rid of a manager who had done so well for us unless he had a damned good reaon.
^^^^fair points....but i do feel levy should have explained his reasons to the fans....
now as i've stated above....maybe it was....we stuck by him...he cant wait to get to the england job...
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posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
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Posters on here must have very short memories. Actually I’ll rephrase that - posters on here have ridiculously short memories.
Modric looked way out of his depth before Harry came in. Signing Modric was a good thing for us (and good for Harry to work with), but only an idiot would claim Modric had a positive effect on the team, or looked to be a good signing, whilst we were at our lowest league position since the Titanic sank.
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Short memories? We're talking 7 years ago Chicken
Edin has pointed out some facts here which back the idea that anyone who labelled him a "total flop" was talking out of their backside.
"Levy is no fool, no matter what Don says, and he would not have got rid of a manager who had done so well for us unless he had a damned good reason."
Losing the CL prize + gob = P45.
As I have always said, neither in isolation IMHO was enough to result in the boot. But Arry sadly managed to concoct the perfect mix of both.
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posted on 13/4/15
I don't mean this season alone but in general the biggest factor you don't get top 4 is that there's always at least 4 better/richer/bigger clubs who should be finishing above you, I think you've done well to be so consistent in the last 10 years and finish 4th a couple of times. You're best teams were Martin Jol's and Redknapp's imo so I get why you're annoyed you didn't push on with the bale money but after losing your best players it's hard to improve which was the same for us. How Baldini is still in a job though When Spurs move stadiums then I think you could become more of a threat.
posted on 13/4/15
internal, it all boils down to getting the right coach in and that's all. You say better, richer and bigger clubs well we lost a lot of home matches to teams we'd normally beat so top 4 was on, if only.
posted on 13/4/15
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posted on 14/4/15
but in your opinion what is the single biggest reason why our season has completely tailed off?
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I dont think it has tailed off as you put it I think our form has been distinctly average to poor all season.
Obviously the high of a cup final hid some of it even if we played nobody to get there and some huge slices of luck had us in an artifical league position giving us hope for a while.
I dont think there is one cause I think there are quite a few.
Firstly our transfer policy and implementation have seen us simply waste millions.
Some of the players are just not good enough and even some that are highly rated by our supporters (Eriksen) have as many poor games as they do good games.
Our manager IMO has made some stupid decisions (choice of captains) and has not been anywhere near as capable as I expected he would be when we appointed him. No I am NOT advocating a change of manager.
Our coaching is pure crap the amount of times we make the same mistakes time and time again is embarrassing.
Rotating to a stupid degree when we dont have the squad to achieve this.
All of these have contributed to what has been a season that we will not remember with great joy.
The players need to shape up but so do the manager and coaches IMO thats where I would point the finger first
posted on 14/4/15
I just have to respond to some of the ridiculous comments regarding Harry.
It’s claimed he inherited King, Modric and Bale. Well, Bale was just an average left back at the time, King was on his last legs, and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived. Harry helped Bale become the player he is today – yes he improved further under AVB – but would AVB have ever thought of, or gambled on, using him as a winger and moved him further up the pitch – I doubt it – yet because Harry ended up getting the best out of these players they are somehow being used as a stick to beat him with.
Also I 100% disagree that the England vacancy interfered with his management. If our results had gone through a bad patch during his court case – that would have been blamed – but because they dipped during the England stuff – that is blamed. I just refuse to believe that VDV missed an open goal in the 0-0 draw with Chelsea because of the England job, or the sitter in the 0-0 draw versus Sunderland (for example). And from memory we had a similar dip, at a similar time, the season before – where there was no England vacancy.
Football results will always dip here and there. It is not the order in which you win, lose or draw that determines the position you finish in, it’s the amount of wins, draws and losses that do that over the season – and we did enough to finish in a targeted 4th place. Of course, when we missed out on CL football because of Chelsea winning the CL certain posters changed the “target” to claim it was “CL football” and not 4th, but we all know, every season, the pundits, players, Chairmen etc all refer to the prize as “Top Four”.
Oh and I love the way Levy is getting credit for all the signings that worked out under Harry, and Harry is getting mocked for the ones that didn’t – you really could not make it up.
But on a serious note, the fact remains that Harry managed to finish 4th, twice, in just 3 seasons, on a decent budget, playing some of the most entertaining football we’ve seen at the Lane in quite some time – so why he lacks credit on here I have no idea.
I fully expect to receive some sarcastic responses either asking whether I’m actually Harry Redknapp, Harry’s lovechild or that I need to “let it go” but please remember I wasn’t the one who brought up Harry – or decided to debate about his era, I’m just responding to the article postings. Peace .
posted on 14/4/15
bit ott....and beside's i said thats why harry got the sack....not that it was true.
i also responded that harry didnt sign VDV not anybody else.....harry done his usual trumpet blowing window act admitting that vdv was a levy signing.....
'daniel phoned me up and said he had a present for me....'
'i thought 'triffic...new company car.....never thought it wld be VDV.....'
I'VE ALSO STATED MANY A TIME THAT LOSS OF FORM WAS AS MUCH PLAYERS AS THE GAFFER....IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FAR ONE WAY WITH HARRY....YOUR GOING TO FAR T'OTHER......
id say levy was piffed at the way harry was trumpeting after the england job after levy/the club had backed harry all thru his court case....
posted on 14/4/15
junction8
bit ott....and beside's i said thats why harry got the sack....not that it was true.
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I responded to all the posts as a whole - not just yours.
posted on 14/4/15
Harry helped Bale become the player he is today – yes he improved further under AVB – but would AVB have ever thought of, or gambled on, using him as a winger and moved him further up the pitch – I doubt it
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gambled
lets get our facts straight. he was about to be sent on loan, when an injury/suspension to our first choice left back meant he couldn't as we needed to use him... and it turned out he was immense going forward.. and then when our left back came back, he naturally moved him further up the pitch.
it was an obvious move, and he was very lucky with the whole bale thing.
posted on 14/4/15
Oh and I love the way Levy is getting credit for all the signings that worked out under Harry, and Harry is getting mocked for the ones that didn’t – you really could not make it up.
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pretty sure I gave redknapp credit for gallas parker and palacios.
and I gave levy credit for sandro and vdv.
don't see the problem.
posted on 14/4/15
Chronic,
You didn't even know he re-signed Keano....
posted on 14/4/15
As for sending Bale out on loan:
a) We hadn't won a game when Bale had featured, so you have to consider your options.
b) It didnt happen - so quite irrelevant.
posted on 14/4/15
comment by Chicken (If Carlsberg did consistent posters...) (U1043)
posted 12 minutes ago
As for sending Bale out on loan:
a) We hadn't won a game when Bale had featured, so you have to consider your options.
b) It didnt happen - so quite irrelevant.
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it is relevant because you are hailing redknapp as a genius for the bale stuff - and I am telling you that actuallu redknapp was gonna send him on loan, and only kept him due to injury/suspension !
posted on 14/4/15
I didnt hail anyone as a genius, i just said he deserves credit.
Bale was just an average left back, and considered a curse to the team, when Harry was first manager. When he left, he was one of the most feared players in the league - if not europe.
Simple as that...
posted on 14/4/15
comment by Chicken (If Carlsberg did consistent posters...) (U1043)
posted 40 seconds ago
I didnt hail anyone as a genius, i just said he deserves credit.
Bale was just an average left back, and considered a curse to the team, when Harry was first manager. When he left, he was one of the most feared players in the league - if not europe.
Simple as that...
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yeah. redknapp was fortunate. for the reasons I explained above
a much better pro redknapp argument would be what he did with modric (move him from lm to cm).
posted on 14/4/15
and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived
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only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
Tbf, there are plenty of impatient fools out there. Just look at Marca and the Madrid fans who voted him their worst signing after a few months. Now they sing his name louder than even Ronaldo's
Harry was lucky to have Modric, not the other way around.
posted on 14/4/15
comment by LukaCorluka (U1220)
posted 3 minutes ago
and Modric was labeled a total flop before Harry arrived
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only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
Tbf, there are plenty of impatient fools out there. Just look at Marca and the Madrid fans who voted him their worst signing after a few months. Now they sing his name louder than even Ronaldo's
Harry was lucky to have Modric, not the other way around.
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posted on 14/4/15
I dont think a single person labeled Luka a flop tbh.
posted on 14/4/15
I don't recall this either Edin
It's just Chicken pumping off Harry (again)
posted on 14/4/15
chicken is so predictable. its the same every time.
Sherwood's willy in one hand, harry's cucumber in the other.
its a bit tiresome now
posted on 14/4/15
only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
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Posters on here must have very short memories. Actually I’ll rephrase that - posters on here have ridiculously short memories.
Modric looked way out of his depth before Harry came in. Signing Modric was a good thing for us (and good for Harry to work with), but only an idiot would claim Modric had a positive effect on the team, or looked to be a good signing, whilst we were at our lowest league position since the Titanic sank.
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posted on 15/4/15
chicken
To be honest I agree with chronic regarding Bale I think harry got super lucky when he was forced to play Bale due to injuries.
I do not think Harry looked at him and saw a winger I just think he looked and thought he is all I have available.
I personally believe Bale made himself I dont believe Harry was instrumental in it at all.
Bale was sub for one game and had this tag of never having been on the winning side for Spurs. We were 3-0 up against Stoke and Harry still never bought Bale on to get rid of that tag.
IMO a decent manager who genuinely believed Bale was a great prospect would have bought him on in that game to get the monkey off his back and ease the pressure on him.
Harry did nothing leading me to believe that he never really intended to integrate bale into the team nor did he believe he was a great prospect.
Thats my personal opinion and I dont care who thinks otherwise.
Also Harry had to go and I dont give a damn how well we done under him. He disrespected the club IMO thinking he was going to get the England job and there was no way back for him after that.
Levy is no fool, no matter what Don says, and he would not have got rid of a manager who had done so well for us unless he had a damned good reaon.
posted on 15/4/15
^^^^fair points....but i do feel levy should have explained his reasons to the fans....
now as i've stated above....maybe it was....we stuck by him...he cant wait to get to the england job...
posted on 15/4/15
comment by Chicken (If Carlsberg did consistent posters..... (U1043)
posted 16 hours, 53 minutes ago
only an idiot would label a player a total flop in the space of half a season, which is the case here with Modric coming in 2008 and Harry joining later that season?
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Posters on here must have very short memories. Actually I’ll rephrase that - posters on here have ridiculously short memories.
Modric looked way out of his depth before Harry came in. Signing Modric was a good thing for us (and good for Harry to work with), but only an idiot would claim Modric had a positive effect on the team, or looked to be a good signing, whilst we were at our lowest league position since the Titanic sank.
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Short memories? We're talking 7 years ago Chicken
Edin has pointed out some facts here which back the idea that anyone who labelled him a "total flop" was talking out of their backside.
posted on 15/4/15
"Levy is no fool, no matter what Don says, and he would not have got rid of a manager who had done so well for us unless he had a damned good reason."
Losing the CL prize + gob = P45.
As I have always said, neither in isolation IMHO was enough to result in the boot. But Arry sadly managed to concoct the perfect mix of both.
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