Aggs.
IMO the problem is with the wage structure. If you don't pay top wages you can't attract top talent. Rodgers' hands are tied in that respect.
posted 7 minutes ago
Aggs.
IMO the problem is with the wage structure. If you don't pay top wages you can't attract top talent. Rodgers' hands are tied in that respect.
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Agreed, it's been a problem for Hendo and Sterling and it's been a problem attracting new players.
I have heard the argument that players want London ect ect, but players will go to Syberia if the money's right.
I wonder had we given Henderson a contract renewal end of 2013/14 when it should have been given he would have accepted 60-70k a week?
12 months down the line the skipper to leave in summer and Hendo skipper in waiting and now we have to pay him 100k a week.
The people who decide contracts and wages at the club are seriously amateur.
we can't pay more wages until we have more revenue
we can't have more revenue until we have more success
we can't have more success until we pay more wages
(repeat)
welcome to FFP. This is what it was designed to do. Inhibit competition.
Aggs.
IMO, FSG are playing a very dangerous game. Their 'no one is bigger than the club' stance when it comes to wages, is out-moded. It's commendable, in one way, to take a firm stance against player/agent power but it's a battle they'll never win. Ultimately, it'll leave us with an average team anchored at 5th/6th in the league.
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posted 49 minutes ago
Aggs.
IMO, FSG are playing a very dangerous game. Their 'no one is bigger than the club' stance when it comes to wages, is out-moded. It's commendable, in one way, to take a firm stance against player/agent power but it's a battle they'll never win. Ultimately, it'll leave us with an average team anchored at 5th/6th in the league.
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I think with Gerrard and possibly Johnson leaving, along with the fact we now have the numbers, we only need a few signings and can pay good wages.
TOOR.
Next summer will tell, I suppose. If they up their game a bit, and start seriously targeting the kind of game-changing 1st team players we need then we can't complain. IMO, a good first step would be to tie down Sterling to a long term deal. With the influx from the massive tv deal and Johnson/Gerrard leaving, they can't really argue poverty. If we don't pay it someone else will and we further strengthen our competitors.
sterling will probably request a transfer and as has been the case recently, we'll target class players who will reject us for sides with proper title/CL chances (regardless of wages - all the top clubs pay big wages now)
we need to just keep plugging away with younger players / gambles and build over time.
Too many things are wrong and its not getting any better. The team has been achieving the minimum expectation but regularly failing when under pressure.
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You were the best team in the PL for the first 3 months of the season. Yes, you came unstuck under pressure, but aren't the big games precisely where you might reasonably expect your new, young and mostly imported players to show their inexperience in the PL? Not to mention that in the game vs United, which was apparently where the collapse began, I don't remember any of them getting themselves sent off.
OP, you seem to have so much to say when the chips are down, yet you almost vanished from the site in the months where Liverpool where charging up the table. Have you ver actually posted a positive article about Liverpool, a positive article about anything at all, or are you just a serial whinger who only has something to say when things aren't all rosy?
OP,
Kaiser.
Yeah, my hunch is that Sterling wants out. He's either motivated by his perceived lack of ambition from the club or he wants to return to London. But, IMO, the club needs to do its upmost to persuade him otherwise. We can't afford to carry on losing a top player every summer.
Gambling on potential worked during Arsenal's lean years mostly because they had a master coach in Wenger. I'm not convinced Rodgers has the experience to do the same.
wenger is the master at it so i don't expect as good results
but, i dont really see any other outs
FFP is here and you can only spend based on income. and we're aleady maxed out there
hopefully Gerrard and Johnson off the bill helps to make enough room
When people mention how our signings have been poor you have to remember that it's not like we haven't been trying to sign top class players. We've been turned down by both Sanchez and Costa recently and sadly we're no longer seen by players as a top tier club and with ffp we can't persuade them with money either. Our current policy is pretty much our only option. Some will be a hit like coutinho but some are always going to fail.
Sterlings agent has clearly been tapped up. Big offers for him will come in summer and he will try and force the move.
Come on mate all you've done is focused on all the negatives and none of the positives plus writing off a player after one season is not a good idea. BR has shown he can develop players so give the likes of Lallana marko and even lovren another year.
And BR has been a manager for 6 years four in the PL, he just got us into two domestic semi finals on the back of a title challenge last year.
Rafa for example put one title challenge in throughout his they're with a superior squad.
I get what you're saying but do think you're going a bit OTT, if BR goes we are back to square 1 and will have to go though more seasons just like this one while we rebuild.
BR deserves another year with this squad plus a few additions to see what he can do, say we fired him and got someone new in and found ourselves in a similar situation to this in 2-3 years time then what?
It's been a bad season and he's got plenty of stuff wrong especially Sunday but give him next season to see if he can turn it around, we've gone on several runs where we take lots of points, he's shown he can adapt and change it to get results when needed and at our best we can be a very good team.
6 years! He's a mere pup in comparison to he other managers at the top of the league, you can argue that liverpool shouldn't be a club that a young manager cuts their teeth with but that is the reality of our situation at the moment.
Me I hate the quick fire nature of football and just don't see he point in sacking him now, but he's under immense pressure to get the signings right and start well next season.
My hope is with a full pre season, players more comfortable with their surroundings, the whole Gerrard saga behind us and a few new players can lead to a decent start which we can build on.
I'm not having a go OP as you make plenty of valid points but IMO firing him now is a terrible idea and feel he deserves another season to try get back to a level we have seen him get this team to.
Balo hate is ridiculous
never had a good run in the team, it isnt set up to play to his strengths, and he still has a better goal/minute average than raheem.
who has played at the top for us all season, consistently and has the whole team set up in an attempt to supply him and gets massive credit.
he doesnt fit the team playstyle like carrol so should never have been bought.
but i cant help feel brendan should have been less stubborn with mario,
time will tell what FSG will do, personally hope we stick by him, this team doesnt need much work, three top additions will do it, and with gerrard toure and johnsons wages disappearing this season, thats three top wages we can pay out!
also, brendan said we would have made the same signings without the suarez sale, so there should still be a sizeable chunk of money available
Yup as i said above ...i want balo kept...talent is evident and hardly plays a run of games to find form....
Mario also gets a totally unwarranted and regular kicking from the press. Possibly stemming from his outright refusal to speak to The Sun.
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posted on 21/4/15
Aggs.
IMO the problem is with the wage structure. If you don't pay top wages you can't attract top talent. Rodgers' hands are tied in that respect.
posted on 21/4/15
posted 7 minutes ago
Aggs.
IMO the problem is with the wage structure. If you don't pay top wages you can't attract top talent. Rodgers' hands are tied in that respect.
------
Agreed, it's been a problem for Hendo and Sterling and it's been a problem attracting new players.
I have heard the argument that players want London ect ect, but players will go to Syberia if the money's right.
posted on 21/4/15
I wonder had we given Henderson a contract renewal end of 2013/14 when it should have been given he would have accepted 60-70k a week?
12 months down the line the skipper to leave in summer and Hendo skipper in waiting and now we have to pay him 100k a week.
The people who decide contracts and wages at the club are seriously amateur.
posted on 21/4/15
we can't pay more wages until we have more revenue
we can't have more revenue until we have more success
we can't have more success until we pay more wages
(repeat)
welcome to FFP. This is what it was designed to do. Inhibit competition.
posted on 21/4/15
Aggs.
IMO, FSG are playing a very dangerous game. Their 'no one is bigger than the club' stance when it comes to wages, is out-moded. It's commendable, in one way, to take a firm stance against player/agent power but it's a battle they'll never win. Ultimately, it'll leave us with an average team anchored at 5th/6th in the league.
posted on 21/4/15
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posted on 21/4/15
Compliment for this very interesting and good article
posted on 21/4/15
comment by shortlightandugly. "You can't put fo... (U13938)
posted 49 minutes ago
Aggs.
IMO, FSG are playing a very dangerous game. Their 'no one is bigger than the club' stance when it comes to wages, is out-moded. It's commendable, in one way, to take a firm stance against player/agent power but it's a battle they'll never win. Ultimately, it'll leave us with an average team anchored at 5th/6th in the league.
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I think with Gerrard and possibly Johnson leaving, along with the fact we now have the numbers, we only need a few signings and can pay good wages.
posted on 21/4/15
TOOR.
Next summer will tell, I suppose. If they up their game a bit, and start seriously targeting the kind of game-changing 1st team players we need then we can't complain. IMO, a good first step would be to tie down Sterling to a long term deal. With the influx from the massive tv deal and Johnson/Gerrard leaving, they can't really argue poverty. If we don't pay it someone else will and we further strengthen our competitors.
posted on 21/4/15
sterling will probably request a transfer and as has been the case recently, we'll target class players who will reject us for sides with proper title/CL chances (regardless of wages - all the top clubs pay big wages now)
we need to just keep plugging away with younger players / gambles and build over time.
posted on 21/4/15
Too many things are wrong and its not getting any better. The team has been achieving the minimum expectation but regularly failing when under pressure.
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You were the best team in the PL for the first 3 months of the season. Yes, you came unstuck under pressure, but aren't the big games precisely where you might reasonably expect your new, young and mostly imported players to show their inexperience in the PL? Not to mention that in the game vs United, which was apparently where the collapse began, I don't remember any of them getting themselves sent off.
OP, you seem to have so much to say when the chips are down, yet you almost vanished from the site in the months where Liverpool where charging up the table. Have you ver actually posted a positive article about Liverpool, a positive article about anything at all, or are you just a serial whinger who only has something to say when things aren't all rosy?
OP,
posted on 21/4/15
Kaiser.
Yeah, my hunch is that Sterling wants out. He's either motivated by his perceived lack of ambition from the club or he wants to return to London. But, IMO, the club needs to do its upmost to persuade him otherwise. We can't afford to carry on losing a top player every summer.
Gambling on potential worked during Arsenal's lean years mostly because they had a master coach in Wenger. I'm not convinced Rodgers has the experience to do the same.
posted on 21/4/15
wenger is the master at it so i don't expect as good results
but, i dont really see any other outs
FFP is here and you can only spend based on income. and we're aleady maxed out there
hopefully Gerrard and Johnson off the bill helps to make enough room
posted on 21/4/15
When people mention how our signings have been poor you have to remember that it's not like we haven't been trying to sign top class players. We've been turned down by both Sanchez and Costa recently and sadly we're no longer seen by players as a top tier club and with ffp we can't persuade them with money either. Our current policy is pretty much our only option. Some will be a hit like coutinho but some are always going to fail.
posted on 21/4/15
what Welsh Xavi said
posted on 21/4/15
Sterlings agent has clearly been tapped up. Big offers for him will come in summer and he will try and force the move.
posted on 21/4/15
Come on mate all you've done is focused on all the negatives and none of the positives plus writing off a player after one season is not a good idea. BR has shown he can develop players so give the likes of Lallana marko and even lovren another year.
And BR has been a manager for 6 years four in the PL, he just got us into two domestic semi finals on the back of a title challenge last year.
Rafa for example put one title challenge in throughout his they're with a superior squad.
I get what you're saying but do think you're going a bit OTT, if BR goes we are back to square 1 and will have to go though more seasons just like this one while we rebuild.
BR deserves another year with this squad plus a few additions to see what he can do, say we fired him and got someone new in and found ourselves in a similar situation to this in 2-3 years time then what?
It's been a bad season and he's got plenty of stuff wrong especially Sunday but give him next season to see if he can turn it around, we've gone on several runs where we take lots of points, he's shown he can adapt and change it to get results when needed and at our best we can be a very good team.
6 years! He's a mere pup in comparison to he other managers at the top of the league, you can argue that liverpool shouldn't be a club that a young manager cuts their teeth with but that is the reality of our situation at the moment.
Me I hate the quick fire nature of football and just don't see he point in sacking him now, but he's under immense pressure to get the signings right and start well next season.
My hope is with a full pre season, players more comfortable with their surroundings, the whole Gerrard saga behind us and a few new players can lead to a decent start which we can build on.
I'm not having a go OP as you make plenty of valid points but IMO firing him now is a terrible idea and feel he deserves another season to try get back to a level we have seen him get this team to.
posted on 21/4/15
Balo hate is ridiculous
never had a good run in the team, it isnt set up to play to his strengths, and he still has a better goal/minute average than raheem.
who has played at the top for us all season, consistently and has the whole team set up in an attempt to supply him and gets massive credit.
he doesnt fit the team playstyle like carrol so should never have been bought.
but i cant help feel brendan should have been less stubborn with mario,
time will tell what FSG will do, personally hope we stick by him, this team doesnt need much work, three top additions will do it, and with gerrard toure and johnsons wages disappearing this season, thats three top wages we can pay out!
also, brendan said we would have made the same signings without the suarez sale, so there should still be a sizeable chunk of money available
posted on 21/4/15
agreed IRU
posted on 21/4/15
Yup as i said above ...i want balo kept...talent is evident and hardly plays a run of games to find form....
posted on 21/4/15
Mario also gets a totally unwarranted and regular kicking from the press. Possibly stemming from his outright refusal to speak to The Sun.
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