poch expecting a big summer, really doesnt know his employers at all does he
I remember redknapp playing the kids in a knock out game.
I would prefer Spurs to be in it than out of it. But on the flip side it does affect leage form. Look at Everton and Liverpool this year. Whether it should or not is a different thing
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posted 15 seconds ago
poch expecting a big summer, really doesnt know his employers at all does he
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Yeah we never buy or sell players do we
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
Sandy never moved past 1963 when same 12 players played every game
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 seconds ago
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
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How can you agree with something sandy made up. ? Unless you can find the mystery quote where poch says he doesn't want Europa ?
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posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 seconds ago
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
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How can you agree with something sandy made up. ? Unless you can find the mystery quote where poch says he doesn't want Europa ?
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I'm not saying anything about Poch, sorry might have put it across liek that but I mean about clubs not wanting to be in the Europa to help them qualify for the CL liek they will then all of a sudden be ready for a much tougher and intense CL campaign.
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posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
It really depends how much we're willing to bolster the squad in the summer. If we improve on it a lot then sure take Europa seriously. If we don't, as I believe we won't, then don't take it seriously. Or do take it seriously, but don't complain when we finish 7th or 8th in the league.
The thing about sandys boring argument is that he says players should be able to play two games in a week. Well they can. Easily. But when you come up against a team who has had a week break since last game and a week on training field setting up to play us then obviously it will be tougher than otherwise
That's where squad quality and depth is important. And ours isn't good enough
Our players are probably fit enough to run a marathon on Saturday and play on Sunday - but it's obviously not the best prep. Same as how flying to the back of beyond and back to play on some crummy pitch a few days before another game isn't the best preparation
I would still prefer spurs to be in Europe than not tho
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I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
Rodgers got out thought and no players showed individual brilliance to save you
That's all that happened. Not the occasion being too big
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing about sandys boring argument is that he says players should be able to play two games in a week. Well they can. Easily. But when you come up against a team who has had a week break since last game and a week on training field setting up to play us then obviously it will be tougher than otherwise
That's where squad quality and depth is important. And ours isn't good enough
Our players are probably fit enough to run a marathon on Saturday and play on Sunday - but it's obviously not the best prep. Same as how flying to the back of beyond and back to play on some crummy pitch a few days before another game isn't the best preparation
I would still prefer spurs to be in Europe than not tho
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that's true Chronic but the more experince of dealing with 2 games a week the better you will become at it and the less time the squad will need between games as there is a foundation in place in terms of the team being able to adjust, switch formations or personnel a bit but still perform to a high level.
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Rodgers got out thought and no players showed individual brilliance to save you
That's all that happened. Not the occasion being too big
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yeah that was part of it but players froze, it was obvious in their body language from the start.
And Tim did put a plan in place that worked so well against us, but if Brendan had a bit more experience in these bigger games he may have been able to cope better with it, it's odd to say that consoidering Tim is a novice manager but Liverpool went in with all the pressure and it showed, Villa went in with far less pressure and an excellent game plan (to work that triangle down their left to expose Can at RB) and it worked well.
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comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
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I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
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yeah but many of these players also froze in the CL games too, especially athome to Madrid where were were destroyed, could have been 10-0.
Brendan got it wrong last Sunday but the team lacks experience in big games, but the losses in these games this year should help them in the futire, Brendan needs to take the lessosn learned goign forward especially.
Look at your League cup final for example, you're young squad had little experience in big games liek that and it showed.
Getting destroyed by Real Madrid is no biggie at this stage. They are a class above every side in the world apart from two or three others
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
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Getting destroyed by Real Madrid is no biggie at this stage. They are a class above every side in the world apart from two or three others
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defo, I was at that game and the gulf in class was unreal, Kroos and Modric were outstanding totally ran the show, was terrible game for us obviously but at the same time great to see that team play at that level up close.
Imo Poch managed the Europa pretty well this year.
The group stages was mainly for fringe players. The ones that did well like Kane got promoted to the prem team.
The timing of the Fiorentina game was horrible. They've also proved they are a very good team too-so no disgrace going out to them.
I hope we qualify and the squad players play the group stages again.
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I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
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yeah but many of these players also froze in the CL games too, especially athome to Madrid where were were destroyed, could have been 10-0.
Brendan got it wrong last Sunday but the team lacks experience in big games, but the losses in these games this year should help them in the futire, Brendan needs to take the lessosn learned goign forward especially.
Look at your League cup final for example, you're young squad had little experience in big games liek that and it showed.
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Yeah you probably do lack experience in big games but that shouldn't relate to the game against Villa. They have no more experience in big games than you do. Purely a bad day at the office for your players at Rodgers. For us in the cup final, it was a little different given the opposition.
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posted on 26/4/15
poch expecting a big summer, really doesnt know his employers at all does he
posted on 26/4/15
I remember redknapp playing the kids in a knock out game.
I would prefer Spurs to be in it than out of it. But on the flip side it does affect leage form. Look at Everton and Liverpool this year. Whether it should or not is a different thing
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 15 seconds ago
poch expecting a big summer, really doesnt know his employers at all does he
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Yeah we never buy or sell players do we
posted on 26/4/15
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
posted on 26/4/15
Sandy never moved past 1963 when same 12 players played every game
posted on 26/4/15
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
posted on 26/4/15
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 seconds ago
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
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How can you agree with something sandy made up. ? Unless you can find the mystery quote where poch says he doesn't want Europa ?
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 seconds ago
Totally agree Sandy
Take us as an example this year, we qualified for the CL and like all Liverpool fans I was so happy and excited to be in it, but the CL campaign was a disaster really, we limped out of it, fell into the Europa and then limped out of that at the first attempt.
To be honest we we not ready for the CL this season and it was aptly demonstraded by Balse looking like a far more accomplished European side then us, hell we struggled to beat Ludogoretz!
We won't qualify for the CL this year and will most likely end up in the Europa, but is that such a bad thing? Yes the group stage can be a drag and have some boring matches but if a club like us or yourselves really want to make a fist of becoming a regular CL club you have to learn how to manage playing in Europe and in the league, the squad has to learn how to cope with the extra games, the manager needs to learn how to rotate and manage the squad. The Europa League will offer young managers like Poch and Rodgers the chance to gain this experience and it can only help them and the squad in the future if we did qualify for the CL.
And I loved it when we won the old Uefa cup under Houiller, it was great, some great games and the final was chaos!
I hope we qualify for the Europa anyway and if we do I hope we treat properly and Brendan to date has not doen well in Europe he needs the experience badly as do most of our young squad.
Football exists outside the CL and the top 4 spots in the PL!!!!!
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How can you agree with something sandy made up. ? Unless you can find the mystery quote where poch says he doesn't want Europa ?
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I'm not saying anything about Poch, sorry might have put it across liek that but I mean about clubs not wanting to be in the Europa to help them qualify for the CL liek they will then all of a sudden be ready for a much tougher and intense CL campaign.
posted on 26/4/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
posted on 26/4/15
It really depends how much we're willing to bolster the squad in the summer. If we improve on it a lot then sure take Europa seriously. If we don't, as I believe we won't, then don't take it seriously. Or do take it seriously, but don't complain when we finish 7th or 8th in the league.
posted on 26/4/15
The thing about sandys boring argument is that he says players should be able to play two games in a week. Well they can. Easily. But when you come up against a team who has had a week break since last game and a week on training field setting up to play us then obviously it will be tougher than otherwise
That's where squad quality and depth is important. And ours isn't good enough
Our players are probably fit enough to run a marathon on Saturday and play on Sunday - but it's obviously not the best prep. Same as how flying to the back of beyond and back to play on some crummy pitch a few days before another game isn't the best preparation
I would still prefer spurs to be in Europe than not tho
posted on 26/4/15
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posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
posted on 26/4/15
Rodgers got out thought and no players showed individual brilliance to save you
That's all that happened. Not the occasion being too big
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
The thing about sandys boring argument is that he says players should be able to play two games in a week. Well they can. Easily. But when you come up against a team who has had a week break since last game and a week on training field setting up to play us then obviously it will be tougher than otherwise
That's where squad quality and depth is important. And ours isn't good enough
Our players are probably fit enough to run a marathon on Saturday and play on Sunday - but it's obviously not the best prep. Same as how flying to the back of beyond and back to play on some crummy pitch a few days before another game isn't the best preparation
I would still prefer spurs to be in Europe than not tho
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that's true Chronic but the more experince of dealing with 2 games a week the better you will become at it and the less time the squad will need between games as there is a foundation in place in terms of the team being able to adjust, switch formations or personnel a bit but still perform to a high level.
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 12 seconds ago
Rodgers got out thought and no players showed individual brilliance to save you
That's all that happened. Not the occasion being too big
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yeah that was part of it but players froze, it was obvious in their body language from the start.
And Tim did put a plan in place that worked so well against us, but if Brendan had a bit more experience in these bigger games he may have been able to cope better with it, it's odd to say that consoidering Tim is a novice manager but Liverpool went in with all the pressure and it showed, Villa went in with far less pressure and an excellent game plan (to work that triangle down their left to expose Can at RB) and it worked well.
posted on 26/4/15
Knee rash
posted on 26/4/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
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yeah but many of these players also froze in the CL games too, especially athome to Madrid where were were destroyed, could have been 10-0.
Brendan got it wrong last Sunday but the team lacks experience in big games, but the losses in these games this year should help them in the futire, Brendan needs to take the lessosn learned goign forward especially.
Look at your League cup final for example, you're young squad had little experience in big games liek that and it showed.
posted on 26/4/15
Getting destroyed by Real Madrid is no biggie at this stage. They are a class above every side in the world apart from two or three others
posted on 26/4/15
comment by Chronic - 100% behind Poch (U3423)
posted 8 minutes ago
Getting destroyed by Real Madrid is no biggie at this stage. They are a class above every side in the world apart from two or three others
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defo, I was at that game and the gulf in class was unreal, Kroos and Modric were outstanding totally ran the show, was terrible game for us obviously but at the same time great to see that team play at that level up close.
posted on 26/4/15
Imo Poch managed the Europa pretty well this year.
The group stages was mainly for fringe players. The ones that did well like Kane got promoted to the prem team.
The timing of the Fiorentina game was horrible. They've also proved they are a very good team too-so no disgrace going out to them.
I hope we qualify and the squad players play the group stages again.
posted on 26/4/15
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posted on 26/4/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 3 minutes ago
I still don't get how some fans don't buy into the fact Europa can have a debilitating affect on a club's season, even when you've got the manager coming out and saying it.
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But will the CL not have the same impact? This is what I don't get, fans will say oh the Europa is a drag on the squad and better to not be in it to try qualify for the CL, and then just expect the team to be ready for a CL campaign where you pay a higher quality of oppositioin in more intense matches.
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CL teams tend to have better strength in depth and class players who can drag them through both Europe and the PL, but even then they can have poor PL results on the back of midweek CL games, or vice versa. Yourselves suffered in the league when you won the CL in 2005.
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yeah that's true the caliber of player is better for a regualr CL club, but I think the experience of simply playing in Europe and the domestic competitions is brushed aside in this idea of CL or nothing, especially when you have young squads like us or Spurs, these young players who have potential to become top players will onyl benifit from playing in tough away games in hostile atmospheres, and shoudl you go far in teh Europa the big pressure games you will encounter will also help with the experience.
I was in Wembley last Sunday and have to say Liverpool looked absolutley lost in a big game liek thatm so many of the team didn't know how to perform in that situation, going into a big game as favourites and it showed in the performance, had we had a few decent Europa campaigns under our belt maybe we would have been better equipped to deal with that game.
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I think you're overselling the experience being in Europa gives players. They will encounter better teams in the league than in Europa. Only until you reach the latter stages then maybe, but that rarely happens with us. If you were using Europa solely to give academy players a chance who wouldn't normally in the league, then I can see a benefit I suppose. That would mean not taking the competition seriously though, which is what people like Sandy don't want.
As to you guys at Wembley, you had a team with players who have experienced CL this season playing against Real Madrid. You can't tell me they don't have the experience to beat Villa.
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yeah but many of these players also froze in the CL games too, especially athome to Madrid where were were destroyed, could have been 10-0.
Brendan got it wrong last Sunday but the team lacks experience in big games, but the losses in these games this year should help them in the futire, Brendan needs to take the lessosn learned goign forward especially.
Look at your League cup final for example, you're young squad had little experience in big games liek that and it showed.
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Yeah you probably do lack experience in big games but that shouldn't relate to the game against Villa. They have no more experience in big games than you do. Purely a bad day at the office for your players at Rodgers. For us in the cup final, it was a little different given the opposition.
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