"When there was talk of Scotland breaking away from the UK did we arm the 'No' voters and encourage them to kill civilians and shoot down jets?
No, we let them have a
referendum."
Is this a case of rehashing a discredited, lame argument again and again as if you win the argument by tireless repetition rather than a bit of meaty substance?
Loads of parallels with the 2 situations.
How they were addressed were worlds apart.
Russia aside, surely the Qatar WC will now be reviewed. It may be too much hassle and too late for Russia, but with 7 years til 2022, realistically that could go elsewhere now.
That does pose the problem of what they do with what they have made so far and the realisation that migrant workers died for literally nothing.
Not that a WC would be any more meaning to innocent lives lost.
At least more innocent lives wouldn't be lost. The sooner it's taken off Qatar the better.
So, with that in mind, and back to my OP
Could England be awarded said WC?
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Give ot to Spain/Portugal. They came second in the voting
"Well, being that this is all
happening on the doorstep of Russia"
What does that have to do with anything? So it would have been better if the invasion was in Egypt, rather than Ukraine? The fact it's on their doorstep gives far greater legitimacy to their actions than the idiots lying about Iraq's threat to the world with WMD's.
I'm sure I read that Germany would be the only country able to host at very short notice, England would still need to do a bit of work like everyone else.
In terms of Qatar, I think they partly won't mind now - it's getting to the point where what their ambition was in getting it in the first place is an impossibility.
comment by Félix (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
So, with that in mind, and back to my OP
Could England be awarded said WC?
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All things being fair, if its found that Qatar is guilty of bribery and the WC hosting duty is taken off them, surely it would be for the likes of USA, Japan and Australia to resubmit a bid, as they were contenders for that particular WC. England bid for the 2018 WC, so its not likely or fair that Europe would get 2 successive WC's.
If the right to host the 2018 WC is taken away from Russia, then England would probably jump at the chance.
comment by Son Of Gunnersaurus a.k.a SoG -King of the Nor... (U1310)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Personally I hope Russia do host the World Cup so I can see the opening ceremony. Most likely involving Vladimir Putin riding into the stadium on a grizzly bear whilst holding a portable fat man nuke launcher above his head
Fallout
Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
The British media makes it hard for other member states to ever support their World Cup bids. Judging by some of the things Robb has said it also extends to Australia aswell.
Wouldn't be surprised if China host the World Cup way before australia and Spain, France and Italy get anOther shot way before england.
Sensational reporting about other host countries like South Africa, Ukraine & now Russia means the motherland has less friends when Voting starts.
comment by b10 (U18580)
posted 8 seconds ago
Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
The British media makes it hard for other member states to ever support their World Cup bids. Judging by some of the things Robb has said it also extends to Australia aswell.
Wouldn't be surprised if China host the World Cup way before australia and Spain, France and Italy get anOther shot way before england.
Sensational reporting about other host countries like South Africa, Ukraine & now Russia means the motherland has less friends when Voting starts.
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Was he slaying us? I really don't think his bizarre support or Russia actually made any sense whatsoever.
If you can't see what huge issues Russia has now which makes people rightly concerned about hosting a world cup then I don't know what to say.
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Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
'Slay'? He just confirmed the fact that either he condones the Russian backed violence in Ukraine or he's a total eejit.
B10
What you refuse to accept/acknowledge is the danger of this Russian state sponsored terrorism is happening on the doorstep of the World Cup itself.
if the Russians keep going as they are, the entire Balkan region will be at war and surely by then the world cup will have to be taken away from the hosts?
The Russians have to get out of Eastern Ukraine if they want to show the world it's safe to come to that part of the world.
They don't have to do anything. The war won't go into Russia. You know it, I know it.
They will have a successful World Cup
Did you know Qatar was a British protectorate until 1971?
Perhaps we should arm the locals and shoot down an Emirates plane so the World knows we mean business.
Putting aside corrupt bids, Russia shouldn't be disqualified for what they are doing in the Ukraine.
Ukraine is a stitched together country made up from a former Soviet in which the Crimea was bundled.
The Crimea has been of vital strategic importance to Mother Russia for centuries.
The Ukrainians should settle for their traditional territories and the rest of us should stay out of it.
You can't be gay in Qatar either so that is a none starter too.
The only real problem is with the weather. So instead move it to the winter, muddle up most national leagues, and all the ensuing problems.
Well good to see the back of Septic, hopefully they will become a bit more ''transparent''.
GunaDave - Glad somebody has mentioned that about Ukraine. Awful government and the people of Crimea are Russian and want to be Russian !
I see no reason why Russia shouldn't host the WC. Yes it has problems just like most other hosts .
This holier than thou attitude stinks. We got conned and lied into a war in Iraq. Sadly the only guy of note that opposed the war was Charles Kennedy.
US act like the world's policeman with Britain not too far behind with it's military and imperialist stamp on everything. Why do we have military at cup finals being wheeled out all the time for example. We are a small island nation once mighty !
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Russia WC will be one of the best imo, they have issues but every country does... all the scaremongering before Brazil, South Africa, Ukraine/Poland was total BS and it's the same with Russia.
Boris is a deluded old fool who is still bitter yaya hasn't left his club. Robb was simply out of his depth and quickly Realised his errors
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posted on 2/6/15
"When there was talk of Scotland breaking away from the UK did we arm the 'No' voters and encourage them to kill civilians and shoot down jets?
No, we let them have a
referendum."
Is this a case of rehashing a discredited, lame argument again and again as if you win the argument by tireless repetition rather than a bit of meaty substance?
Loads of parallels with the 2 situations.
How they were addressed were worlds apart.
posted on 2/6/15
Russia aside, surely the Qatar WC will now be reviewed. It may be too much hassle and too late for Russia, but with 7 years til 2022, realistically that could go elsewhere now.
That does pose the problem of what they do with what they have made so far and the realisation that migrant workers died for literally nothing.
posted on 2/6/15
Not that a WC would be any more meaning to innocent lives lost.
posted on 2/6/15
At least more innocent lives wouldn't be lost. The sooner it's taken off Qatar the better.
posted on 2/6/15
So, with that in mind, and back to my OP
Could England be awarded said WC?
posted on 2/6/15
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posted on 2/6/15
They could and should.
posted on 2/6/15
Give ot to Spain/Portugal. They came second in the voting
posted on 2/6/15
"Well, being that this is all
happening on the doorstep of Russia"
What does that have to do with anything? So it would have been better if the invasion was in Egypt, rather than Ukraine? The fact it's on their doorstep gives far greater legitimacy to their actions than the idiots lying about Iraq's threat to the world with WMD's.
posted on 2/6/15
I'm sure I read that Germany would be the only country able to host at very short notice, England would still need to do a bit of work like everyone else.
In terms of Qatar, I think they partly won't mind now - it's getting to the point where what their ambition was in getting it in the first place is an impossibility.
posted on 2/6/15
comment by Félix (U11643)
posted 4 minutes ago
So, with that in mind, and back to my OP
Could England be awarded said WC?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
All things being fair, if its found that Qatar is guilty of bribery and the WC hosting duty is taken off them, surely it would be for the likes of USA, Japan and Australia to resubmit a bid, as they were contenders for that particular WC. England bid for the 2018 WC, so its not likely or fair that Europe would get 2 successive WC's.
If the right to host the 2018 WC is taken away from Russia, then England would probably jump at the chance.
posted on 2/6/15
comment by Son Of Gunnersaurus a.k.a SoG -King of the Nor... (U1310)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Personally I hope Russia do host the World Cup so I can see the opening ceremony. Most likely involving Vladimir Putin riding into the stadium on a grizzly bear whilst holding a portable fat man nuke launcher above his head
Fallout
posted on 2/6/15
Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
The British media makes it hard for other member states to ever support their World Cup bids. Judging by some of the things Robb has said it also extends to Australia aswell.
Wouldn't be surprised if China host the World Cup way before australia and Spain, France and Italy get anOther shot way before england.
Sensational reporting about other host countries like South Africa, Ukraine & now Russia means the motherland has less friends when Voting starts.
posted on 2/6/15
comment by b10 (U18580)
posted 8 seconds ago
Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
The British media makes it hard for other member states to ever support their World Cup bids. Judging by some of the things Robb has said it also extends to Australia aswell.
Wouldn't be surprised if China host the World Cup way before australia and Spain, France and Italy get anOther shot way before england.
Sensational reporting about other host countries like South Africa, Ukraine & now Russia means the motherland has less friends when Voting starts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Was he slaying us? I really don't think his bizarre support or Russia actually made any sense whatsoever.
If you can't see what huge issues Russia has now which makes people rightly concerned about hosting a world cup then I don't know what to say.
posted on 2/6/15
*of Russia
posted on 2/6/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/6/15
Sheriff irritates me on most occasions but watching him slay Robb and Boris was hilarious.
'Slay'? He just confirmed the fact that either he condones the Russian backed violence in Ukraine or he's a total eejit.
posted on 2/6/15
B10
What you refuse to accept/acknowledge is the danger of this Russian state sponsored terrorism is happening on the doorstep of the World Cup itself.
if the Russians keep going as they are, the entire Balkan region will be at war and surely by then the world cup will have to be taken away from the hosts?
The Russians have to get out of Eastern Ukraine if they want to show the world it's safe to come to that part of the world.
posted on 2/6/15
They don't have to do anything. The war won't go into Russia. You know it, I know it.
They will have a successful World Cup
posted on 2/6/15
Did you know Qatar was a British protectorate until 1971?
Perhaps we should arm the locals and shoot down an Emirates plane so the World knows we mean business.
posted on 2/6/15
Putting aside corrupt bids, Russia shouldn't be disqualified for what they are doing in the Ukraine.
Ukraine is a stitched together country made up from a former Soviet in which the Crimea was bundled.
The Crimea has been of vital strategic importance to Mother Russia for centuries.
The Ukrainians should settle for their traditional territories and the rest of us should stay out of it.
You can't be gay in Qatar either so that is a none starter too.
The only real problem is with the weather. So instead move it to the winter, muddle up most national leagues, and all the ensuing problems.
Well good to see the back of Septic, hopefully they will become a bit more ''transparent''.
posted on 2/6/15
GunaDave - Glad somebody has mentioned that about Ukraine. Awful government and the people of Crimea are Russian and want to be Russian !
I see no reason why Russia shouldn't host the WC. Yes it has problems just like most other hosts .
This holier than thou attitude stinks. We got conned and lied into a war in Iraq. Sadly the only guy of note that opposed the war was Charles Kennedy.
US act like the world's policeman with Britain not too far behind with it's military and imperialist stamp on everything. Why do we have military at cup finals being wheeled out all the time for example. We are a small island nation once mighty !
posted on 2/6/15
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/6/15
Russia WC will be one of the best imo, they have issues but every country does... all the scaremongering before Brazil, South Africa, Ukraine/Poland was total BS and it's the same with Russia.
posted on 2/6/15
Boris is a deluded old fool who is still bitter yaya hasn't left his club. Robb was simply out of his depth and quickly Realised his errors
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