Chelsea are classes and undignified for many reasons, however wanting to hold onto their key players would not be one of those reasons. An utterly ridiculous accusation from you Cesc, though to be fair you do have form for that....
I thought like most of us that Everton would play the the < stone in hand 2 birds in bush game >. Ie get Chelsea to the highest bid ,sell, and replace him with two decent non brit players that would do the same job or better.
37k was an outrageous price not to mention risky gamble. I applaud the sticking to principles bit, but really one has to laugh at foolish stubbornness..
Instead of win big v win? Its become Win principle /lose opportunity.
If you are honest you will agree with my summation.
< a stone in one hand/ empty the other.>
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
I didn't say Everton will get top four. And I pointed out their form suffered in Europa because of having a crap squad.
Not really sure what your point is, to be honest. All I've said is that I don't think their board is naive enough to think they'll be a cl team any time soon. But they have other valid reasons for hanging onto their players.
Not that big a stretch to come to that conclusion.
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So keeping an unhappy player is valid reason, nice try Daza
Being unhappy is one thing, asking for a transfer request that would net Everton a large amount of income is another. The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
You don't know he's unhappy.
And keeping an unhappy player is a valid reason for wanting to keep their player? That doesn't make any sense.
The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
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Mebee he will improve when Martineti shoves his contract in his face?
The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
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Doesn't look the type.
He has time on his side also, so no real hurry.
37k was an outrageous price not to mention risky gamble. I applaud the sticking to principles bit, but really one has to laugh at foolish stubbornness.**
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our business.. are you stupid?
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
You don't know he's unhappy.
And keeping an unhappy player is a valid reason for wanting to keep their player? That doesn't make any sense.
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tell me this is not real !
So his public request to leave his current club suggest he must be happy then ?
Stones was so unhappy he wasn't willing to play against Barnsley
With his dream move in tatters I expect his form to drop away and he will drop down to non league
Why cant Chelsea fans deal with 'no'
Pathetic
And given he's not ever shown or hinted at any affection or history with Chelsea it is hardly his dream move.
I do mean this with no real offence intended but you are obviously a club with vast means and a recent pedigree in challenging on all fronts but you're relatively new to the party as it were. I would say much the same about Man City incidentally. I think a player's dream move would be to his boyhood club(Which I appreciate can possibly be Chelsea, though not in this case) or maybe Man Utd, Barca, Real Madrid, the sort of side while that whilst he didn't support them he grew up thinking they were the nuts. In time, and if Roman's money stays, you may well be that sort of club to young teenagers growing up now.
But my point is I think it might be a bit rich to describe this as John Stones' dream move.
Some people dont handle rejection very well
No it suggests he wanted to leave because a better opportunity arose.
He didnmt ask to leave because he was unhappy at Everton.
And you are making wild assumptions that he'll be unhappy that his request has been turned down and will be badly affected.
Nine times out of ten a player that has asked to leave has been refused to tend to just get on with it and then eventually get their move.
Sulking isnmt going to help Stones' case is it? Chelsea would probably drop their interest if he plays crap.
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our
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Now be fair. i did clearly write " I applaud the sticking to principles bit"
But ( as a silly example) I offered you 370 Quid for a bike you paid 30 for a month earlier, and you refused. I would think
a) You love your bike bravo!
b) Silly git coulda got isself a couple of (Taiwan made) new ones with some cash left over. Oh well some mothers have em as they say....cappiche?
Thanks for your interest in our bike - it is one of the best around, shiny spokes and a real head turner, we're keeping it and will let you know if we decide to sell it in the future - all the best, Everton Football Club
Why cant Chelsea fans deal with 'no
i think you we can safely say we have accepted and dealt with the NO. Thats over.
This is a discussion on the sense or dare I say mistake in saying NO. All views welcome Im sure as this is an on topic debate....
Fair Enough, I dont think the other guys have dealt with no but if you have then great
Its a risk to turn the request down and keep a player that could be affected by all this but knowing him and his temperament he will go on to have a great season, the price will shoot up even more and there will be the mother of all transfer bidding wars for him next summer
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 3 minutes ago
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our
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Now be fair. i did clearly write " I applaud the sticking to principles bit"
But ( as a silly example) I offered you 370 Quid for a bike you paid 30 for a month earlier, and you refused. I would think
a) You love your bike bravo!
b) Silly git coulda got isself a couple of (Taiwan made) new ones with some cash left over. Oh well some mothers have em as they say....cappiche?
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The problem is you have no idea if the shiny Taiwanese model is going to be as effective as what you have. The history of the premier league is littered with high priced imports that are just plain rubbish and have a puncture before you've got to the end of the road. There is certainly a lot to be said for 'better the devil you know'. This argument ran to its logical end would suggest that if we could sell and buy a couple of taiwanese replacements with cash left over and be just as effective then why don't you guys save money and get the taiwanese ones??
Thanks for your INTEREST in our bike - it is one of the best around, shiny spokes and a real head turner, we're keeping it and will let you know if we decide to sell it in the future - all the best, Everton Football Club
Brave of you to volunteer as spokesman for a club which history willl applaud for its persistence quality but perhaps not for its common sense.
I do think you have made it clear that your minds once made up will not be swayed. It could be the old Rooney affair has influenced you thus.Anyways best of luck.
But none of you will not explain or even discuss this situation . But there again you don't really speak for your board do you? You have to accept their decisions, that history will, soon enough, leave its verdict on.
on....on....
Tway - you just sound upset mate tbh, why would I want to discuss the logic of not selling one of our players to Chelsea, I'm just pleased the club have told you where to go, you need to hear 'no' more often
tTaiwanese replacements with cash left over and be just as effective then why don't you guys save MONEY
and get the taiwanese one
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I think you know the answer to that. We are prepared to pay way over the market price for local made product.
No way being disrespectful, but atm the urgency is to fulfil UEFA rules on home grown. At this point because of international competitions our need may be greater than yours.
But as in the Moderic situation some years back even where we really needed the player there was always admiration for those like Levy and your owners to stick to their guns no matter how tempting the offers were. As the press has churned out and I have to agree am sure aso many Chelsea fans do as well, that sticking to principles over business sense is shown too little in modern times.
No never upset mate, just using up net space on a quiet evening here. My last post should show that alls good.
Its called banter ....right?
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 11 minutes ago
But none of you will not explain or even discuss this situation .
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Tway, I think we are all discussing this situation. The club, and by extension the fans, believe the best way to progress as a club is to keep its best players and brightest prospects. By selling we are abdicating any ambition to grow as a club, by selling this close to the window closing we are doing nothing other than making ourselves a worse team as there would be no effective method of replacing the loss regardless of the money received and we are all aware that £30-37m is somewhat disappointing when played at centre back or sweeper.
Just because no-one in Everton blue is agreeing with you or saying good point it doesn't mean we are not discussing it. Our simple stance on this matter is that we don't need to sell and if we want to improve is it counter productive to sell one of our bright young things.
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posted on 28/8/15
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posted on 28/8/15
Chelsea are classes and undignified for many reasons, however wanting to hold onto their key players would not be one of those reasons. An utterly ridiculous accusation from you Cesc, though to be fair you do have form for that....
posted on 28/8/15
I thought like most of us that Everton would play the the < stone in hand 2 birds in bush game >. Ie get Chelsea to the highest bid ,sell, and replace him with two decent non brit players that would do the same job or better.
37k was an outrageous price not to mention risky gamble. I applaud the sticking to principles bit, but really one has to laugh at foolish stubbornness..
Instead of win big v win? Its become Win principle /lose opportunity.
If you are honest you will agree with my summation.
< a stone in one hand/ empty the other.>
posted on 28/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
I didn't say Everton will get top four. And I pointed out their form suffered in Europa because of having a crap squad.
Not really sure what your point is, to be honest. All I've said is that I don't think their board is naive enough to think they'll be a cl team any time soon. But they have other valid reasons for hanging onto their players.
Not that big a stretch to come to that conclusion.
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So keeping an unhappy player is valid reason, nice try Daza
posted on 28/8/15
Being unhappy is one thing, asking for a transfer request that would net Everton a large amount of income is another. The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
posted on 28/8/15
You don't know he's unhappy.
And keeping an unhappy player is a valid reason for wanting to keep their player? That doesn't make any sense.
posted on 28/8/15
The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
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Mebee he will improve when Martineti shoves his contract in his face?
posted on 28/8/15
The guy will drop in form big time for getting his dream move sabotaged
=====================================
Doesn't look the type.
He has time on his side also, so no real hurry.
posted on 28/8/15
37k was an outrageous price not to mention risky gamble. I applaud the sticking to principles bit, but really one has to laugh at foolish stubbornness.**
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our business.. are you stupid?
posted on 28/8/15
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 46 seconds ago
You don't know he's unhappy.
And keeping an unhappy player is a valid reason for wanting to keep their player? That doesn't make any sense.
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tell me this is not real !
So his public request to leave his current club suggest he must be happy then ?
posted on 28/8/15
Stones was so unhappy he wasn't willing to play against Barnsley
With his dream move in tatters I expect his form to drop away and he will drop down to non league
posted on 28/8/15
Why cant Chelsea fans deal with 'no'
Pathetic
posted on 28/8/15
And given he's not ever shown or hinted at any affection or history with Chelsea it is hardly his dream move.
I do mean this with no real offence intended but you are obviously a club with vast means and a recent pedigree in challenging on all fronts but you're relatively new to the party as it were. I would say much the same about Man City incidentally. I think a player's dream move would be to his boyhood club(Which I appreciate can possibly be Chelsea, though not in this case) or maybe Man Utd, Barca, Real Madrid, the sort of side while that whilst he didn't support them he grew up thinking they were the nuts. In time, and if Roman's money stays, you may well be that sort of club to young teenagers growing up now.
But my point is I think it might be a bit rich to describe this as John Stones' dream move.
posted on 28/8/15
Some people dont handle rejection very well
posted on 28/8/15
No it suggests he wanted to leave because a better opportunity arose.
He didnmt ask to leave because he was unhappy at Everton.
And you are making wild assumptions that he'll be unhappy that his request has been turned down and will be badly affected.
Nine times out of ten a player that has asked to leave has been refused to tend to just get on with it and then eventually get their move.
Sulking isnmt going to help Stones' case is it? Chelsea would probably drop their interest if he plays crap.
posted on 28/8/15
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our
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Now be fair. i did clearly write " I applaud the sticking to principles bit"
But ( as a silly example) I offered you 370 Quid for a bike you paid 30 for a month earlier, and you refused. I would think
a) You love your bike bravo!
b) Silly git coulda got isself a couple of (Taiwan made) new ones with some cash left over. Oh well some mothers have em as they say....cappiche?
posted on 28/8/15
Thanks for your interest in our bike - it is one of the best around, shiny spokes and a real head turner, we're keeping it and will let you know if we decide to sell it in the future - all the best, Everton Football Club
posted on 28/8/15
Why cant Chelsea fans deal with 'no
i think you we can safely say we have accepted and dealt with the NO. Thats over.
This is a discussion on the sense or dare I say mistake in saying NO. All views welcome Im sure as this is an on topic debate....
posted on 28/8/15
Fair Enough, I dont think the other guys have dealt with no but if you have then great
Its a risk to turn the request down and keep a player that could be affected by all this but knowing him and his temperament he will go on to have a great season, the price will shoot up even more and there will be the mother of all transfer bidding wars for him next summer
posted on 28/8/15
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 3 minutes ago
we dont want to sell him, we dont need to sell him - its our decision and our
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Now be fair. i did clearly write " I applaud the sticking to principles bit"
But ( as a silly example) I offered you 370 Quid for a bike you paid 30 for a month earlier, and you refused. I would think
a) You love your bike bravo!
b) Silly git coulda got isself a couple of (Taiwan made) new ones with some cash left over. Oh well some mothers have em as they say....cappiche?
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The problem is you have no idea if the shiny Taiwanese model is going to be as effective as what you have. The history of the premier league is littered with high priced imports that are just plain rubbish and have a puncture before you've got to the end of the road. There is certainly a lot to be said for 'better the devil you know'. This argument ran to its logical end would suggest that if we could sell and buy a couple of taiwanese replacements with cash left over and be just as effective then why don't you guys save money and get the taiwanese ones??
posted on 28/8/15
Thanks for your INTEREST in our bike - it is one of the best around, shiny spokes and a real head turner, we're keeping it and will let you know if we decide to sell it in the future - all the best, Everton Football Club
Brave of you to volunteer as spokesman for a club which history willl applaud for its persistence quality but perhaps not for its common sense.
I do think you have made it clear that your minds once made up will not be swayed. It could be the old Rooney affair has influenced you thus.Anyways best of luck.
But none of you will not explain or even discuss this situation . But there again you don't really speak for your board do you? You have to accept their decisions, that history will, soon enough, leave its verdict on.
on....on....
posted on 28/8/15
Tway - you just sound upset mate tbh, why would I want to discuss the logic of not selling one of our players to Chelsea, I'm just pleased the club have told you where to go, you need to hear 'no' more often
posted on 28/8/15
tTaiwanese replacements with cash left over and be just as effective then why don't you guys save MONEY
and get the taiwanese one
------------
I think you know the answer to that. We are prepared to pay way over the market price for local made product.
No way being disrespectful, but atm the urgency is to fulfil UEFA rules on home grown. At this point because of international competitions our need may be greater than yours.
But as in the Moderic situation some years back even where we really needed the player there was always admiration for those like Levy and your owners to stick to their guns no matter how tempting the offers were. As the press has churned out and I have to agree am sure aso many Chelsea fans do as well, that sticking to principles over business sense is shown too little in modern times.
posted on 28/8/15
No never upset mate, just using up net space on a quiet evening here. My last post should show that alls good.
Its called banter ....right?
posted on 28/8/15
comment by Tway (U1162)
posted 11 minutes ago
But none of you will not explain or even discuss this situation .
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Tway, I think we are all discussing this situation. The club, and by extension the fans, believe the best way to progress as a club is to keep its best players and brightest prospects. By selling we are abdicating any ambition to grow as a club, by selling this close to the window closing we are doing nothing other than making ourselves a worse team as there would be no effective method of replacing the loss regardless of the money received and we are all aware that £30-37m is somewhat disappointing when played at centre back or sweeper.
Just because no-one in Everton blue is agreeing with you or saying good point it doesn't mean we are not discussing it. Our simple stance on this matter is that we don't need to sell and if we want to improve is it counter productive to sell one of our bright young things.
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