comment by Cyp (U16330)
posted 58 minutes ago
Polar bears and penguins both live at Dudley zoo. In any case, the penguins could fly to the arctic if they wanted to.
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Can someone inform Cyp that penguins can't fly. Or maybe they do in his world, along with pigs and elephants.
comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Cyp (U16330)
posted 58 minutes ago
Polar bears and penguins both live at Dudley zoo. In any case, the penguins could fly to the arctic if they wanted to.
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Can someone inform Cyp that penguins can't fly. Or maybe they do in his world, along with pigs and elephants.
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Ha ha. I spotted that. Can't believe Cyp was being so ignorant, unless...
I don't think there is Anything shrewd about the loan market once you go beyond a couple.
They had about eleven last season, all dead money to achieve what? Nothing.
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe, only one of those bits of business makes sense, and that's the Afobe deal.
comment by Tino-ho-ho (U2087)
posted 15 minutes ago
Us
Spent 2.6m
Reclaimed 440k
Them
spent 96k
Reclaimed 3.3m
2014 - 2015 season
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Nobody but a blithering idiot would argue with those stats
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
I don't think there is Anything shrewd about the loan market once you go beyond a couple.
They had about eleven last season, all dead money to achieve what? Nothing.
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe, only one of those bits of business makes sense, and that's the Afobe deal.
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But they got in the play-offs. (Do you get money for that?) genuine question, not a Wum.
They are still in the championship are they not?
comment by ❌❌❌UH❌❌❌ (U16263)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tino-ho-ho (U2087)
posted 15 minutes ago
Us
Spent 2.6m
Reclaimed 440k
Them
spent 96k
Reclaimed 3.3m
2014 - 2015 season
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Nobody but a blithering idiot would argue with those stats
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Don't see how loans are "dead money", as you have to pay players anyway. My understanding is that if you pay a transfer fee of whatever figure, you then still have to pay a wage as well. With respect, if that's wrong, hopefully Cinci will tell me, (without insults).
Loans are dead money because you get nothing back for your investment.
Promotion would do it I guess, otherwise you are not building a team because you have to give them back, it is in fact the complete opposite of what micks hallmark is.
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
They are still in the championship are they not?
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Yes. I was wondering what they got for finishing in the play-offs. I assume they got a reward, and probably TV money too from Sky etc for the knock-out stages. I don't know the figures, but laying in the league is all a out speculation.
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Loans are dead money because you get nothing back for your investment.
Promotion would do it I guess, otherwise you are not building a team because you have to give them back, it is in fact the complete opposite of what micks hallmark is.
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Some clubs sign loanees eventually. I don't see it as a problem. Worked for Ipswich who worked under financial constraints to achieve their higher place. It's unlikely that they'll get into an auto-promotion place, as Mick said himself, but they'll still go for it, which he also said according to he reports, which to me is a good attitude. I'd hate to have a manager that didn't have that kind of spirit.
Not sure why my posts have letters missing!
May as well end the convo now as you are completely ignoring facts.
Well, I hope you convinced yourself a little today, presumably you were having a wobble.
How do you "pay for loans"? As you stated earlier. Surely it's only wages, that you'd be outlaying anyway.
Are you suggesting that clubs pay a transfer fee for loans?
Genuine question, not intended to upset.
You loan someone in, he costs money, he fits in great, he leaves for zero.
Only way to loan is to loan to buy, otherwise its a poor long term strategy.
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
You loan someone in, he costs money, he fits in great, he leaves for zero.
Only way to loan is to loan to buy, otherwise its a poor long term strategy.
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So there is NO fee. Just wages
Wages are paid anyway. Loaning would be a great strategy for a club with limited resources.
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
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Oh right.
So given we had money and they didn't, we signed Afobe for whatever it was, cant remember, 1.5 was it? Plus wages, less than 10 a week.
They loaned 7 players was it and paid for that other fella for 300 grand was it? So about 70 to 80 grand a week on loans.
Crunch some numbers, spent about the same give or take a minimal fee.
This is becoming surreal now
I have had bute hanging off my every word all day all because he wants to show me Mick is better than Kenny, a manager I want sacked
Don't flatter yourself. I can't think of anyone who hangs on to your words, although I appreciate that someone with your self-importance will imagine they're the centre of attention.
In any event, having a view on current or past managers is something all fans will have.
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
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Oh right.
So given we had money and they didn't, we signed Afobe for whatever it was, cant remember, 1.5 was it? Plus wages, less than 10 a week.
They loaned 7 players was it and paid for that other fella for 300 grand was it? So about 70 to 80 grand a week on loans.
Crunch some numbers, spent about the same give or take a minimal fee.
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Would be interesting to see the figures, excluding wages, which all clubs will pay anyway.
Wisdom shall be proved right by her offspring.
You just keep me hanging on
But wages are important are they not, that had been the platform for every 'Mick didn't fail in the prem' argument for years.
Nearly 750 posts. Three points.
Good work Halfy. Top match thread
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 9 minutes ago
You just keep me hanging on
But wages are important are they not, that had been the platform for every 'Mick didn't fail in the prem' argument for years.
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Yes, but wages are common to both scenarios. That was my point. No surprise that you overlooked that, as you seem to have a limited understanding as to how it all works. Nothing wrong with that, as most fans don't know or understand the complexities of finance in football.
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posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cyp (U16330)
posted 58 minutes ago
Polar bears and penguins both live at Dudley zoo. In any case, the penguins could fly to the arctic if they wanted to.
============
Can someone inform Cyp that penguins can't fly. Or maybe they do in his world, along with pigs and elephants.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by wolfieintheSunshineState (U16306)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Cyp (U16330)
posted 58 minutes ago
Polar bears and penguins both live at Dudley zoo. In any case, the penguins could fly to the arctic if they wanted to.
============
Can someone inform Cyp that penguins can't fly. Or maybe they do in his world, along with pigs and elephants.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ha ha. I spotted that. Can't believe Cyp was being so ignorant, unless...
posted on 30/12/15
I don't think there is Anything shrewd about the loan market once you go beyond a couple.
They had about eleven last season, all dead money to achieve what? Nothing.
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe, only one of those bits of business makes sense, and that's the Afobe deal.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Tino-ho-ho (U2087)
posted 15 minutes ago
Us
Spent 2.6m
Reclaimed 440k
Them
spent 96k
Reclaimed 3.3m
2014 - 2015 season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody but a blithering idiot would argue with those stats
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
I don't think there is Anything shrewd about the loan market once you go beyond a couple.
They had about eleven last season, all dead money to achieve what? Nothing.
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe, only one of those bits of business makes sense, and that's the Afobe deal.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But they got in the play-offs. (Do you get money for that?) genuine question, not a Wum.
posted on 30/12/15
They are still in the championship are they not?
posted on 30/12/15
comment by ❌❌❌UH❌❌❌ (U16263)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tino-ho-ho (U2087)
posted 15 minutes ago
Us
Spent 2.6m
Reclaimed 440k
Them
spent 96k
Reclaimed 3.3m
2014 - 2015 season
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody but a blithering idiot would argue with those stats
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't see how loans are "dead money", as you have to pay players anyway. My understanding is that if you pay a transfer fee of whatever figure, you then still have to pay a wage as well. With respect, if that's wrong, hopefully Cinci will tell me, (without insults).
posted on 30/12/15
Loans are dead money because you get nothing back for your investment.
Promotion would do it I guess, otherwise you are not building a team because you have to give them back, it is in fact the complete opposite of what micks hallmark is.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
They are still in the championship are they not?
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Yes. I was wondering what they got for finishing in the play-offs. I assume they got a reward, and probably TV money too from Sky etc for the knock-out stages. I don't know the figures, but laying in the league is all a out speculation.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Loans are dead money because you get nothing back for your investment.
Promotion would do it I guess, otherwise you are not building a team because you have to give them back, it is in fact the complete opposite of what micks hallmark is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Some clubs sign loanees eventually. I don't see it as a problem. Worked for Ipswich who worked under financial constraints to achieve their higher place. It's unlikely that they'll get into an auto-promotion place, as Mick said himself, but they'll still go for it, which he also said according to he reports, which to me is a good attitude. I'd hate to have a manager that didn't have that kind of spirit.
posted on 30/12/15
Not sure why my posts have letters missing!
posted on 30/12/15
May as well end the convo now as you are completely ignoring facts.
Well, I hope you convinced yourself a little today, presumably you were having a wobble.
posted on 30/12/15
How do you "pay for loans"? As you stated earlier. Surely it's only wages, that you'd be outlaying anyway.
Are you suggesting that clubs pay a transfer fee for loans?
Genuine question, not intended to upset.
posted on 30/12/15
You loan someone in, he costs money, he fits in great, he leaves for zero.
Only way to loan is to loan to buy, otherwise its a poor long term strategy.
posted on 30/12/15
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted about a minute ago
You loan someone in, he costs money, he fits in great, he leaves for zero.
Only way to loan is to loan to buy, otherwise its a poor long term strategy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So there is NO fee. Just wages
Wages are paid anyway. Loaning would be a great strategy for a club with limited resources.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh right.
So given we had money and they didn't, we signed Afobe for whatever it was, cant remember, 1.5 was it? Plus wages, less than 10 a week.
They loaned 7 players was it and paid for that other fella for 300 grand was it? So about 70 to 80 grand a week on loans.
Crunch some numbers, spent about the same give or take a minimal fee.
posted on 30/12/15
This is becoming surreal now
I have had bute hanging off my every word all day all because he wants to show me Mick is better than Kenny, a manager I want sacked
posted on 30/12/15
Don't flatter yourself. I can't think of anyone who hangs on to your words, although I appreciate that someone with your self-importance will imagine they're the centre of attention.
In any event, having a view on current or past managers is something all fans will have.
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Isle of Bute (U16473)
posted 8 minutes ago
This is the bit:
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion
So basically they paid as much for loans as we did Afobe
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh right.
So given we had money and they didn't, we signed Afobe for whatever it was, cant remember, 1.5 was it? Plus wages, less than 10 a week.
They loaned 7 players was it and paid for that other fella for 300 grand was it? So about 70 to 80 grand a week on loans.
Crunch some numbers, spent about the same give or take a minimal fee.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would be interesting to see the figures, excluding wages, which all clubs will pay anyway.
posted on 30/12/15
Wisdom shall be proved right by her offspring.
posted on 30/12/15
You just keep me hanging on
But wages are important are they not, that had been the platform for every 'Mick didn't fail in the prem' argument for years.
posted on 30/12/15
Nearly 750 posts. Three points.
Good work Halfy. Top match thread
posted on 30/12/15
comment by Cinciwolf----KoP champion, HC+DG champion, off... (U11551)
posted 9 minutes ago
You just keep me hanging on
But wages are important are they not, that had been the platform for every 'Mick didn't fail in the prem' argument for years.
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Yes, but wages are common to both scenarios. That was my point. No surprise that you overlooked that, as you seem to have a limited understanding as to how it all works. Nothing wrong with that, as most fans don't know or understand the complexities of finance in football.
posted on 30/12/15
750
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