I agree that Chamberlain offers more.
His passing can be erratic at times, but his directness creates so many opportunities for us - both of our goals came through good-work from Chamberlain, and he had the beating of both full-backs throughout the game.
Bit better. But his recent standard has been very low. But he's obviously struggles with injury. Need to be a bit more patient with him. He usually needs a run of games to get his form back. Only problem for him is as soon as he gets in good form, he gets injured.
very injury prone. Don't know whether he will be able to last the season without missing another lengthy period.
Players like him, Walcott and Sanchez will be key against Barca
Ox really needs a run of games.
Still plays like a 17 year old. Will never be good enough for us.
After we scored the goal he played way better.
Before anything he does on the pitch, he needs to get his head right.
He came into the season with a lot of hype, and he's not responded well to it at all. He's still young, but he needs to stop playing the clown on social media and focus properly
Thought he got better as the game went on. Towards the end we started seeing the real Ox when he ran from his own half and had a shot deflected onto the post
The Ox got better when we were winning.
He was very weak in the tackle and easily pushed off the ball. He also gives the ball away in very dangerous areas and makes terrible decisions in the final third when we have a chance to score.
I do think the Ox has massive potential and is far more talented than Walcott or Campbell - but right now he is not playing well enough to displace either of them...
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posted 39 minutes ago
The Ox got better when we were winning.
He was very weak in the tackle and easily pushed off the ball. He also gives the ball away in very dangerous areas and makes terrible decisions in the final third when we have a chance to score.
I do think the Ox has massive potential and is far more talented than Walcott or Campbell - but right now he is not playing well enough to displace either of them...
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Disagree.
Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game? I haven't seen Campbell running at defenders with pace and scaring them like Alex did today. I saw him make a few good tackles from which we countered and the fact that he got fouled 4 or 5 times shows that they couldn't handle him.
Campbell has done ok recently but nothing more than ok. He has been massively over-hyped for average performances recently and Chamberlain should have started against Southampton.
Referee was a joke, couldn't wait to book Arsenal players but failed to book Bournemouth players for much worse. Aaron should never have been booked, he was fouled before which caused that stumble/tackle and considering what Bournemouth players got away with it was harsh to book Chambers.
Give Chamberlain some credit. He should definitely be starting games for us. Campbell is a good squad player but nothing more.
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Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game?
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That's a joke statement - and yes, I was there...
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comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game?
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That's a joke statement - and yes, I was there...
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Me too and I stand by what I said. Campbell will make a decent squad player but is never going to hold down a first team place when everyone is fit. The fact that he was so poor before and then came in recently and did ok has caused everyone to get overexcited. I can see him being used as part exchange.
Chamberlain has more pace, skill and is a better dribble and finisher. Far more potential.
"Far more potential"
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Well at least we can agree on that, but whether he can stop farting about with the likes of SnapChat and focus on actually fulfilling that potential is another matter...
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"Far more potential"
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Well at least we can agree on that, but whether he can stop farting about with the likes of SnapChat and focus on actually fulfilling that potential is another matter...
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I am by no means saying that he is perfect, he can be frustrating from time to time. When fit I would pick him ahead of Campbell every time though. I still think Campbell is a decent player and I had high hopes for him after the World Cup... Perhaps he needs a longer run in the first team. However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex.
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
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posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
*That was the AC Milan game I was referring to.
Chamberlain has had some weaker performances but most young player do suffer from inconsistency at times.
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posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
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Come on DaStu, you know what I mean.
I'm talking about decisive contributions in the penalty area. I'm sure Campbell has won a few corners, and don't forget his role in the second goal vs Man City, it was his strength and hold up play on the wing that got the ball forward. Very similar to what you described as the Ox's role in our second v Bournemouth.
I really don't want to turn this into Joel vs Ox, I was just slightly miffed that Joel's contributions were being dismissed without real thought.
Both good young players, and as I've mentioned, I do believe the Ox has the higher ceiling. For me, his main problem is what goes on in his head, you can see it every time he misses a shot or pass how he's torturing himself. A bit like Giroud used to really. He needs to lay off the social media (which no doubt contributes to his mentality) and work on that.
Ox doesn't seem to be growing at all. Losing patience with him.
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comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
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I'm sorry but if we're using games from 4 years ago to justify Ox's place in the team right now, then we're reaching a little bit aren't we?
I'm also not concerned about what he does for England, it's nice and all, but it doesn't really concern his Arsenal career.
I'm glad you admitted you weren't giving Joel the credit he deserves, that was my main issue. I don't think Joel is some sort of superstar btw, like you, I think he's a very useful squad player.
Personally, I don't mind which of them starts, they both have their own attributes. But I do believe Joel's suits our team more right now. I was intrigued to see what Ox would do against Bournemouth, and I think he played ok.
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comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
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I'm sorry but if we're using games from 4 years ago to justify Ox's place in the team right now, then we're reaching a little bit aren't we?
I'm also not concerned about what he does for England, it's nice and all, but it doesn't really concern his Arsenal career.
I'm glad you admitted you weren't giving Joel the credit he deserves, that was my main issue. I don't think Joel is some sort of superstar btw, like you, I think he's a very useful squad player.
Personally, I don't mind which of them starts, they both have their own attributes. But I do believe Joel's suits our team more right now. I was intrigued to see what Ox would do against Bournemouth, and I think he played ok.
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I'm not using it to justify his selection now but as an example of his ability when he is at his best.
I think played ok is a little unfair, for me Ozil + Ox were our two best players against Bournemouth.
You are right, Campbell does deserve credit for coming into the team at an important time and providing some crucial moments offensively. However, he has not blown me away. Although he has taken his chance well.
He is capable of moments magic but he can't really be relied upon week in week out in a team challenging for titles. He was the same place four years ago when we got him too. He still plays like the 17 yo we signed from Soton in that his play has just about zero maturity. He is a total liability defensively too and is always prone to just totally switch off and neglect that side of his game. He should be not more than a squad player imo and we should get real quality to play that right wing until he grows up at least
Gabriel was excellent against Bournemouth. I would prefer him to partner Koscielny when we are playing against a forward line with pace. Mertesacker best used against big strikers like Crouch.
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posted on 28/12/15
I agree that Chamberlain offers more.
His passing can be erratic at times, but his directness creates so many opportunities for us - both of our goals came through good-work from Chamberlain, and he had the beating of both full-backs throughout the game.
posted on 28/12/15
Bit better. But his recent standard has been very low. But he's obviously struggles with injury. Need to be a bit more patient with him. He usually needs a run of games to get his form back. Only problem for him is as soon as he gets in good form, he gets injured.
posted on 28/12/15
very injury prone. Don't know whether he will be able to last the season without missing another lengthy period.
Players like him, Walcott and Sanchez will be key against Barca
posted on 28/12/15
Ox really needs a run of games.
posted on 28/12/15
Still plays like a 17 year old. Will never be good enough for us.
posted on 28/12/15
After we scored the goal he played way better.
posted on 28/12/15
Before anything he does on the pitch, he needs to get his head right.
He came into the season with a lot of hype, and he's not responded well to it at all. He's still young, but he needs to stop playing the clown on social media and focus properly
posted on 28/12/15
Thought he got better as the game went on. Towards the end we started seeing the real Ox when he ran from his own half and had a shot deflected onto the post
posted on 29/12/15
The Ox got better when we were winning.
He was very weak in the tackle and easily pushed off the ball. He also gives the ball away in very dangerous areas and makes terrible decisions in the final third when we have a chance to score.
I do think the Ox has massive potential and is far more talented than Walcott or Campbell - but right now he is not playing well enough to displace either of them...
posted on 29/12/15
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 39 minutes ago
The Ox got better when we were winning.
He was very weak in the tackle and easily pushed off the ball. He also gives the ball away in very dangerous areas and makes terrible decisions in the final third when we have a chance to score.
I do think the Ox has massive potential and is far more talented than Walcott or Campbell - but right now he is not playing well enough to displace either of them...
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Disagree.
Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game? I haven't seen Campbell running at defenders with pace and scaring them like Alex did today. I saw him make a few good tackles from which we countered and the fact that he got fouled 4 or 5 times shows that they couldn't handle him.
Campbell has done ok recently but nothing more than ok. He has been massively over-hyped for average performances recently and Chamberlain should have started against Southampton.
Referee was a joke, couldn't wait to book Arsenal players but failed to book Bournemouth players for much worse. Aaron should never have been booked, he was fouled before which caused that stumble/tackle and considering what Bournemouth players got away with it was harsh to book Chambers.
Give Chamberlain some credit. He should definitely be starting games for us. Campbell is a good squad player but nothing more.
posted on 31/12/15
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comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game?
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That's a joke statement - and yes, I was there...
posted on 31/12/15
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 24 minutes ago
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comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
Chamberlain was excellent today and demonstrated that he is five times the player Campbell is. Did you even watch the game?
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That's a joke statement - and yes, I was there...
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Me too and I stand by what I said. Campbell will make a decent squad player but is never going to hold down a first team place when everyone is fit. The fact that he was so poor before and then came in recently and did ok has caused everyone to get overexcited. I can see him being used as part exchange.
Chamberlain has more pace, skill and is a better dribble and finisher. Far more potential.
posted on 31/12/15
"Far more potential"
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Well at least we can agree on that, but whether he can stop farting about with the likes of SnapChat and focus on actually fulfilling that potential is another matter...
posted on 31/12/15
comment by ItsAboutTheBackFour (U9916)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
"Far more potential"
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Well at least we can agree on that, but whether he can stop farting about with the likes of SnapChat and focus on actually fulfilling that potential is another matter...
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I am by no means saying that he is perfect, he can be frustrating from time to time. When fit I would pick him ahead of Campbell every time though. I still think Campbell is a decent player and I had high hopes for him after the World Cup... Perhaps he needs a longer run in the first team. However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex.
posted on 31/12/15
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
posted on 31/12/15
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
posted on 31/12/15
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
posted on 31/12/15
*That was the AC Milan game I was referring to.
Chamberlain has had some weaker performances but most young player do suffer from inconsistency at times.
posted on 31/12/15
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
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Come on DaStu, you know what I mean.
I'm talking about decisive contributions in the penalty area. I'm sure Campbell has won a few corners, and don't forget his role in the second goal vs Man City, it was his strength and hold up play on the wing that got the ball forward. Very similar to what you described as the Ox's role in our second v Bournemouth.
I really don't want to turn this into Joel vs Ox, I was just slightly miffed that Joel's contributions were being dismissed without real thought.
Both good young players, and as I've mentioned, I do believe the Ox has the higher ceiling. For me, his main problem is what goes on in his head, you can see it every time he misses a shot or pass how he's torturing himself. A bit like Giroud used to really. He needs to lay off the social media (which no doubt contributes to his mentality) and work on that.
posted on 31/12/15
Ox doesn't seem to be growing at all. Losing patience with him.
posted on 31/12/15
comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
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I'm sorry but if we're using games from 4 years ago to justify Ox's place in the team right now, then we're reaching a little bit aren't we?
I'm also not concerned about what he does for England, it's nice and all, but it doesn't really concern his Arsenal career.
I'm glad you admitted you weren't giving Joel the credit he deserves, that was my main issue. I don't think Joel is some sort of superstar btw, like you, I think he's a very useful squad player.
Personally, I don't mind which of them starts, they both have their own attributes. But I do believe Joel's suits our team more right now. I was intrigued to see what Ox would do against Bournemouth, and I think he played ok.
posted on 31/12/15
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class - You Can Mash $puds (U12019)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 13 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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I think DaStuDogg has pretty much nailed that response.
Other than that Chamberlain has produced a lot more for us in other games and proven himself over a few seasons. Obviously he has been given much more playing time to do this. Two highlights for me were the Champions League game a few seasons ago when we had been thrashed something like 4-0 in the first leg and I believe we came close to turning it round with 3 goals in the second leg. Chamberlain was instrumental in that performance, running the game from central midfield at about 18/19 years of age. I also really enjoyed his goal for England against Brazil albeit in a friendly.
I'm not trying to push an "agenda" and perhaps I'm not giving Campbell enough credit for a few good things he has done for us recently, he's not a particularly flashy player so it's easier for him to go unnoticed but he's been important for us in some crucial games. He looks a lot fitter these days and his work-rate has been excellent going forward and defensively.
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I'm sorry but if we're using games from 4 years ago to justify Ox's place in the team right now, then we're reaching a little bit aren't we?
I'm also not concerned about what he does for England, it's nice and all, but it doesn't really concern his Arsenal career.
I'm glad you admitted you weren't giving Joel the credit he deserves, that was my main issue. I don't think Joel is some sort of superstar btw, like you, I think he's a very useful squad player.
Personally, I don't mind which of them starts, they both have their own attributes. But I do believe Joel's suits our team more right now. I was intrigued to see what Ox would do against Bournemouth, and I think he played ok.
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I'm not using it to justify his selection now but as an example of his ability when he is at his best.
I think played ok is a little unfair, for me Ozil + Ox were our two best players against Bournemouth.
You are right, Campbell does deserve credit for coming into the team at an important time and providing some crucial moments offensively. However, he has not blown me away. Although he has taken his chance well.
posted on 31/12/15
posted on 31/12/15
He is capable of moments magic but he can't really be relied upon week in week out in a team challenging for titles. He was the same place four years ago when we got him too. He still plays like the 17 yo we signed from Soton in that his play has just about zero maturity. He is a total liability defensively too and is always prone to just totally switch off and neglect that side of his game. He should be not more than a squad player imo and we should get real quality to play that right wing until he grows up at least
posted on 1/1/16
Gabriel was excellent against Bournemouth. I would prefer him to partner Koscielny when we are playing against a forward line with pace. Mertesacker best used against big strikers like Crouch.
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