comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 1 day ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
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"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
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Come on DaStu, you know what I mean.
I'm talking about decisive contributions in the penalty area. I'm sure Campbell has won a few corners, and don't forget his role in the second goal vs Man City, it was his strength and hold up play on the wing that got the ball forward. Very similar to what you described as the Ox's role in our second v Bournemouth.
I really don't want to turn this into Joel vs Ox, I was just slightly miffed that Joel's contributions were being dismissed without real thought.
Both good young players, and as I've mentioned, I do believe the Ox has the higher ceiling. For me, his main problem is what goes on in his head, you can see it every time he misses a shot or pass how he's torturing himself. A bit like Giroud used to really. He needs to lay off the social media (which no doubt contributes to his mentality) and work on that.
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I don't condone dismissing Campbell's contributions, but you have to appreciate that claiming that all Chamberlain 'does lately is dribble on the outside' is a also a little bit of a disservice.
It may sound like I'm scraping the barrel for compliments by including Chamberlain winning a corner as a decisive contribution, but the work he did was fantastic and in a game that we'd been struggling to get a foothold in up until then, his ability to create that opening pretty much out of nothing (received the ball basically by our half way line, skipped past Cook easily and bullied Daniels out of the challenge when he looked second favourite, before getting the corner.) turned the tie in our favour.
People seem to use Chamberlain's dribbling as a stick to beat him with (or at least claim that all he does is run down blind alleys and lose the ball), but having a player who can consistently take one or two (or more, on occasion) opponents out of the game is an invaluable ace in the hole, and his running was pivotal for us in the Bournemouth game.
Chamberlain's combination of strength, pace, and close ball control makes him an exceptional dribbler, and it irks me how quick people are to disregard this as if it's nothing particularly special.
In terms of decisive contributions:
-1st start of the season, he was man of the match in the CS against Chelsea - running Azpilicueta ragged and scoring the goal to win us the game.
-2nd game against West Ham, he was a huge attacking threat, completing by far and away the highest number of dribbles of any player on the pitch, and having the second highest number of key passes - including the 70 yard run where he went past 4 players and set up Cazorla at the back post who hit it over.
Then he got dropped.....
Came back in against Newcastle and got us the goal that won us the game (via a deflection and was classified as an own goal, but must surely count as a decisive contribution). And his first time pass also set up Bellerin for what should have been a (stonewall) penalty and arguably a red card for the Newcastle defender.
Then got dropped again....
Came back against Everton, had the beating of Galloway all day: played Sanchez through on goal twice and set up Giroud to hit the bar.
Then got dropped....
Then came back against Sunderland (a game which I didn't see), in what I understand was a disappointing performance.
Got dropped.
Then came in against Bournemouth and created all of the aforementioned opportunities against them.
Given the limited opportunities he's had, not to mention the effect consistently being dropped and thrown back into the team (in different positions, might I add) must have on a player's form and confidence, I'd say he's done pretty well in terms of making an impact when given the chance to do so.
Better from the Ox!
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posted on 1/1/16
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 1 day ago
comment by DaStuDogg (U9291)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Tu Meke Santi (U3732)
posted 11 hours, 4 minutes ago
"However, regardless of this I struggle to think of anything that he has done to put himself in the same bracket as Alex."
===
"Bracket"? Which "bracket" is this?
Campbell has scored two very well taken goals and set up a couple of goals with quick feet and great vision too. 1 of those goals was the opener against sunderland at a critical part of the game. one of those assists was for giroud to put us up 2-0 in the crunch game vs olympiakos.
When was the last time Ox did anything of note? All he does lately is dribble on the outside of a defender. "Same bracket" indeed.
Don't get me wrong, I also think Ox has the higher ceiling, and I hope he reaches it. But please don't just dismiss what Joel has done to push your agenda.
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Both our goals against Bournemouth came through Chamberlain. The first one, he got the ball around the half-way line and won us the corner out of nothing (from which we scored); on the second, he won the ball back for us to start the move, held off two defenders before releasing Ramsey, and then made a run behind the left-back to drag him away and open up space for the pass to Ozil.
And to say all he does is dribble on the outside of defenders is incorrect as well. The chance where he hit the post against Bournemouth came from him cutting in field and evading the challenges of their midfielders, hitting a cross-field ball to Campbell, continuing his run through the centre of the pitch, and then cutting back across the defenders to get his shot away.
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Come on DaStu, you know what I mean.
I'm talking about decisive contributions in the penalty area. I'm sure Campbell has won a few corners, and don't forget his role in the second goal vs Man City, it was his strength and hold up play on the wing that got the ball forward. Very similar to what you described as the Ox's role in our second v Bournemouth.
I really don't want to turn this into Joel vs Ox, I was just slightly miffed that Joel's contributions were being dismissed without real thought.
Both good young players, and as I've mentioned, I do believe the Ox has the higher ceiling. For me, his main problem is what goes on in his head, you can see it every time he misses a shot or pass how he's torturing himself. A bit like Giroud used to really. He needs to lay off the social media (which no doubt contributes to his mentality) and work on that.
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I don't condone dismissing Campbell's contributions, but you have to appreciate that claiming that all Chamberlain 'does lately is dribble on the outside' is a also a little bit of a disservice.
It may sound like I'm scraping the barrel for compliments by including Chamberlain winning a corner as a decisive contribution, but the work he did was fantastic and in a game that we'd been struggling to get a foothold in up until then, his ability to create that opening pretty much out of nothing (received the ball basically by our half way line, skipped past Cook easily and bullied Daniels out of the challenge when he looked second favourite, before getting the corner.) turned the tie in our favour.
People seem to use Chamberlain's dribbling as a stick to beat him with (or at least claim that all he does is run down blind alleys and lose the ball), but having a player who can consistently take one or two (or more, on occasion) opponents out of the game is an invaluable ace in the hole, and his running was pivotal for us in the Bournemouth game.
Chamberlain's combination of strength, pace, and close ball control makes him an exceptional dribbler, and it irks me how quick people are to disregard this as if it's nothing particularly special.
In terms of decisive contributions:
-1st start of the season, he was man of the match in the CS against Chelsea - running Azpilicueta ragged and scoring the goal to win us the game.
-2nd game against West Ham, he was a huge attacking threat, completing by far and away the highest number of dribbles of any player on the pitch, and having the second highest number of key passes - including the 70 yard run where he went past 4 players and set up Cazorla at the back post who hit it over.
Then he got dropped.....
Came back in against Newcastle and got us the goal that won us the game (via a deflection and was classified as an own goal, but must surely count as a decisive contribution). And his first time pass also set up Bellerin for what should have been a (stonewall) penalty and arguably a red card for the Newcastle defender.
Then got dropped again....
Came back against Everton, had the beating of Galloway all day: played Sanchez through on goal twice and set up Giroud to hit the bar.
Then got dropped....
Then came back against Sunderland (a game which I didn't see), in what I understand was a disappointing performance.
Got dropped.
Then came in against Bournemouth and created all of the aforementioned opportunities against them.
Given the limited opportunities he's had, not to mention the effect consistently being dropped and thrown back into the team (in different positions, might I add) must have on a player's form and confidence, I'd say he's done pretty well in terms of making an impact when given the chance to do so.
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