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posted on 17/1/16

Excellent article .

posted on 17/1/16

Mignolet had virtually nothing to do today but I still think he should have kept the goal out. It was right at him and he got his hands to it, he's clearly not good enough and needs replacing!

Other point is that we need a mobile striker that Klopp is going to play, he doesn't rate benteke that's clear to see but we desperately need a striker and right now Shane Long would be great!

posted on 17/1/16

Think if you had Coutinho today you would have won comfortably. You snatched at a lot of your chances and rushed it when in good positions, needed a cooler head in the last 3rd.

posted on 17/1/16

I will watch it again tonight ,hard to tell if ut was his fault watching live . it was his Kicking that was a let down for me , one pass to toure was horrible

posted on 17/1/16

HLN which is a Belgian newspaper, they're extremely reliable said last week Mig signed a new contract until 2021. Great news for the rest of the league.

posted on 17/1/16

comment by Nir Bitton - The Bethlehem Busquets (U13244)
posted 3 minutes ago
Think if you had Coutinho today you would have won comfortably. You snatched at a lot of your chances and rushed it when in good positions, needed a cooler head in the last 3rd.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not as Coutinho is probably one of the last people you want to not snatch at or rush chances.

There's a light that goes off in Cout's head whenever he gets into the final third and it doesn't go off until he's hit the ball as hard as he can into the crowd.

comment by Biglaa (U5954)

posted on 17/1/16

Not watched the goal again since, but to me, Lucas is at fault. He was marking Rooney, then was caught ball watching, joining the other 2 defenders going for the same ball instead of marking his man. Shame, as until then I thought he was having a good game.


KLS I think you're being a bit harsh on Mig there. If he had kept that shot out, it would have been an outrageous, World Class save.

posted on 17/1/16

I Agree we need a fit quality mobile forward asap. However looking longer term for me we also need goal scoring forwards/wide men. We need to invest in a much better cutting edge at the business end of the field. Lallana, Firmino, Ibe, Coutinho & Milner have barely managed 10 goals between them if that. When teams sit deep and don’t over commit against us we usually lose & draw a blank its been that way all season long because we lack any clinical fire power.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)

posted on 17/1/16

Don't get me wrong, the defending isn't great but creativity and finishing are our biggest problems.

I know stats only tell you so much but we've conceded 7 more than City and Arsenal. We've scored 17 and 12 less than them.

And yet Mig is the biggest scapegoat. His errors are so costly because we score so few goals.

posted on 17/1/16

comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't get me wrong, the defending isn't great but creativity and finishing are our biggest problems.

I know stats only tell you so much but we've conceded 7 more than City and Arsenal. We've scored 17 and 12 less than them.

And yet Mig is the biggest scapegoat. His errors are so costly because we score so few goals.
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We also concede from a lot of the shots on target that we face. IIRC it was 1 in 3 SoT against us are goals. Which is a lot lower than most other teams.

So it's a question of, is Mig letting down the rest of the defence as they limit the amount of SoT (we face very little comparatively to the rest of the league) or is the quality of chances we give away that high they are unsaveable for Mig?

posted on 17/1/16

comment by iCraft uGraft - God. (U1193)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Ibe-Wan Kenobi (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't get me wrong, the defending isn't great but creativity and finishing are our biggest problems.

I know stats only tell you so much but we've conceded 7 more than City and Arsenal. We've scored 17 and 12 less than them.

And yet Mig is the biggest scapegoat. His errors are so costly because we score so few goals.
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We also concede from a lot of the shots on target that we face. IIRC it was 1 in 3 SoT against us are goals. Which is a lot lower than most other teams.

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I meant lower as in the amount of SoT per goal. Which is worse. I meant worse than other teams.

posted on 17/1/16

1 in 3 shots on target resulting in goals is unforgivable.

I'm completely baffled by those who defend Simon. It's not personal by any means but the statistics are all against him.

posted on 17/1/16

I know people need a scapegoat but to say mig should have saved that is beyond ridiculous. He wasn't even close to being the reason we lost yet he still gets stick. Then idiots like Carra slating him on tv, souness not so bad. Schmeichel probably the best keeper ever in the prem said it's a confidence thing and the constant stick he gets is fooking moronic

comment by Szoboss (U6997)

posted on 17/1/16

comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 58 seconds ago
1 in 3 shots on target resulting in goals is unforgivable.

I'm completely baffled by those who defend Simon. It's not personal by any means but the statistics are all against him.


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I'm not defending him as such. In fact if you want to check my post history you'll find several saying we need better and he needs replacing.

I just think Mig and his errors are actually masking the bigger issue. We're not a big enough threat to the opposition.

comment by Neo (U9135)

posted on 17/1/16

Agree with Ibe.

Mig isn't the best keeper by any means, and we could probably improve on him but it's difficult. There aren't that many we could realistically get that would improve us significantly.

More pressingly we need a new centre mid and centre back.

posted on 17/1/16

The latest stats suggest that of the last 6 shots on target, 4 have ended up in the back of the net.

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You shouldn't look at his clean sheet record then as it's very good. Stats and all that

posted on 17/1/16

Someone posted the stats the other day and the errors leading to goals were no worse than anyone bat ddg and Cech I think, and he was only +1 on them. He's being beaten up over stats that relate to his horrid mid to late 2014 form that saw him dropped.

I don't think he's brilliant but he is very good despite weak kicking. He has flaws that deserve criticism but the actual criticism is about things that don't exist.

If he stopped that shot today it would have been up for save of the season. If Cech or ddg or courtois let that in it would have just (rightly) have been called unstoppable. That's how irrational people (especially those who thought bogdan could do no worse) have become.

I think he needs to go , once the mob gets the pitchforks out there is almost never a way back. He can sense the mob staring at the back of his head every match and it wrecks his confidence even more. Self fulfilling prophecy.

reminds me of Gerrard for England, he could get a goal or assist, spray passes All over the park aand all it would take was one overhit pass and half the pub would start groaning about Hollywood passes and how we should drop him for Parker Barry or even the crab because they couldn't do worse. Except they could in reality and did.

posted on 17/1/16

I actually think the depth of our squad is very good. We have plenty of good squad players and I don't think there is a huge difference if we assembled 2 different teams. And that is our problem. To compete and win things you need a few stand out players and performances. We need a De Gea in the nets and a Suarez up front. Ridiculous I know but that is where we are at. We haven't got the stellar performers at either of the business ends of the pitch. The depth us there no doubt but that wins you feck all on its own. I say we trade a few squad players in, lose Benteke (he's a poor fit), lose Mignolet, lose Lallana and get a keeper and a striker. We need to stop paying loads on potential and hope they come good. Important positions need to be filled by important, reliable performers.

posted on 17/1/16

He is not good enough and needs to go or be placed as a number 2 and told.to dight for his spot. I remeber his debut and he was all over the shop. Some people where saying he was choking and even I was surprised as when I saw him at Sunderland he was making tons of saves. That day he saved a pen and that covered over the shaky debut. Now after 2 years looking back at that day and his form to date he is in my opinion not good enough for top 4

posted on 18/1/16

I remember Mig's very first game for us. Point blank save (penalty?) and he was the Kop's darling. Like many others, I've been critical of him, yes his distribution is or can be poor, but he cannot be blamed for today's United goal.

Today, our team ran themselves into the ground, in my view they really did give everything.

Their problem? Yes, an absence of strikers is critical, but today, I think they just tried too hard, tried to play at such a pace they were prone to miss their chances.

They're still my team and they are getting better.

JimmyTheRed

posted on 18/1/16

comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 4 hours ago
Someone posted the stats the other day and the errors leading to goals were no worse than anyone bat ddg and Cech I think, and he was only +1 on them. He's being beaten up over stats that relate to his horrid mid to late 2014 form that saw him dropped.

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I saw a stat saying we concede 1 out of every 3 shots we face on target. 'Keepers like DDG&Cech are around 1:5/6 IIRC. This is also despite conceding less shots per game than most of the premier league.

If a shot is on target then there's a decent chance it's a goal.

posted on 18/1/16

Mig could save all the shots in open play in the world, but if he can't command his box, handle crosses and set pieces, then what's the point? Teams will keep targetting that area of the 6 yard box. I don't see Mig ever being able to handle that. In the time he has been here he has not improved especially in that area.
Signing a new contract isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think Klopp sees him as our long term number one but he's not exactly sheet either. Tieing him down means we can bring in someone else without worrying about him getting fidgety. He can stay as our number two or compete with others for his position (which I think Klopp tried to do but Bogdan was cack, Ward should get a crack) perhaps and if he does leave we will then get a decent fee for him.
If he doesn't sign now the likelihood of him leaving on a free would increase too, so maybe the contract is more strategic than meets the eye.

posted on 18/1/16

comment by Mamba - Can't leave JA alone the game needs me, Haters want me clapped and chromed (but) it ain't easy, Cops wanna knock me, D.A. wanna box me in, but somehow, I beat them charges like Rocky (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Mig could save all the shots in open play in the world, but if he can't command his box, handle crosses and set pieces, then what's the point? Teams will keep targetting that area of the 6 yard box. I don't see Mig ever being able to handle that. In the time he has been here he has not improved especially in that area.
Signing a new contract isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think Klopp sees him as our long term number one but he's not exactly sheet either. Tieing him down means we can bring in someone else without worrying about him getting fidgety. He can stay as our number two or compete with others for his position (which I think Klopp tried to do but Bogdan was cack, Ward should get a crack) perhaps and if he does leave we will then get a decent fee for him.
If he doesn't sign now the likelihood of him leaving on a free would increase too, so maybe the contract is more strategic than meets the eye.
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I agree.

By signing a new contract it ensures that we can get decent money for him.

We all know what Mignolets weaknesses are. What worries me the most about him is his lack of presence. To be a successful goalkeeper at a big club you need to be mentally strong. I don't think Mignolet has that type of character and his nervousness and hesitancy transfers to the team, especially the defenders playing in front of him.

I would like to see us bring in a new keeper in the summer who can battle it out with him for the jersey. He would be an more than adequate substitute for a season or two.

However, criticisms aimed at him for not doing better for Rooney's goal yesterday are insane. Rooney leathered it from only a few yards out and Mig had no chance of stopping it.

posted on 18/1/16

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 10 hours, 35 minutes ago
The latest stats suggest that of the last 6 shots on target, 4 have ended up in the back of the net.

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You shouldn't look at his clean sheet record then as it's very good. Stats and all that
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I'm actually going to agree with Arouna!!!!

People state that when ever any criticism is labelled at migs, that he's had the most clean sheets in 2015 and that it's the defenders fault "like Wednesday night" but shouldn't the defenders get some credit for the clean sheets as well?

The simple fact of the matter is that Simon Mignolet is not good enough (he's not on his own in that) he doesn't command his box at set pieces or crosses and it's getting to the point now that every time we concede a corner, we concede a goal.

I saw a stat the other day that he's was second in goal keepers in pass completion, not hard when he's passing it to sakho virtually every time but as soon as he attempts a long ball or goal kick. The ball comes straight back and the defence is under pressure!

Yet he's been given a new deal to 2021!

posted on 18/1/16

comment by Pâî§Lë¥'š _P䆆ê®ÑëÐ_ÐrÊåm§ (U1541)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Can't leave JA alone the game needs me, Haters want me clapped and chromed (but) it ain't easy, Cops wanna knock me, D.A. wanna box me in, but somehow, I beat them charges like Rocky (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
Mig could save all the shots in open play in the world, but if he can't command his box, handle crosses and set pieces, then what's the point? Teams will keep targetting that area of the 6 yard box. I don't see Mig ever being able to handle that. In the time he has been here he has not improved especially in that area.
Signing a new contract isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't think Klopp sees him as our long term number one but he's not exactly sheet either. Tieing him down means we can bring in someone else without worrying about him getting fidgety. He can stay as our number two or compete with others for his position (which I think Klopp tried to do but Bogdan was cack, Ward should get a crack) perhaps and if he does leave we will then get a decent fee for him.
If he doesn't sign now the likelihood of him leaving on a free would increase too, so maybe the contract is more strategic than meets the eye.
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I agree.

By signing a new contract it ensures that we can get decent money for him.

We all know what Mignolets weaknesses are. What worries me the most about him is his lack of presence. To be a successful goalkeeper at a big club you need to be mentally strong. I don't think Mignolet has that type of character and his nervousness and hesitancy transfers to the team, especially the defenders playing in front of him.

I would like to see us bring in a new keeper in the summer who can battle it out with him for the jersey. He would be an more than adequate substitute for a season or two.

However, criticisms aimed at him for not doing better for Rooney's goal yesterday are insane. Rooney leathered it from only a few yards out and Mig had no chance of stopping it.
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I don't see the logic in that, give him more money and a longer deal in the hope of getting more money for him?

What if he digs his heels in, like Borini....

Or other managers can see his weakness and don't want to match the transfer value or wages he is on?

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