Redd, the only reason why I'd like to contest it rather than ignoring it as if a company is a member of the British Parking Association (BPA) they can obtain details of the registered keeper of your car through DVLA.
Now because the keeper of my car is a company my employer uses to give us lease/company cars, I don't want letters forwarded on to my employer as they have my reg. If I was the keeper of the car I would definitely have binned the notice by now. As far as I am aware contesting a charge is not admitting liability?
They wouldn't even show you ID?
Fack them.
Tu Meke he was an annoying guy and was just like "oh I aint going to show ID, the company have called me out here to issue you tickets". He had that stupid pad thing.
First Kebab thats ever cost me £105
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posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Thank God for Clippity Klopp (U12976)
posted 10 minutes ago
Put in in the bin and forget about it.
Next steps will be about 5-6 threatening letters and then they will stop.
I have done this on about 7 occasions, 3 in the same carpark.
If it's a council run car park pay up, if it's a traffic warden or police ticket, pay up.
If it's private car park, ignore it. It's nothing more than an invoice, it comes under contractual law and they would have to prove you agreed with the contract when parking. Google it or check out money saving expert.
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do this!! spot on advice, back in the day they clamped you now they cant
Go back, take pictures of how badly signed it was, send all to them and tell them you will see them in court and have engaged some ambulance chasers
The above is right.
The moment they see pics that a judge will just say get out and stop wasting my time to they won't spend a cent on any chasing.
From previous experience .. bin it and forget about it .. these outfits are the one time wheel clampers who received an almighty "go fck yerself" from the authorities a few of years ago.
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Pay them fast!!!
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I would do this to be honest.
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Pay them fast!!!
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I would do this to be honest.
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Screw them. Unless you knew what the penalty was and knowingly entered into the contract. it is not legally enforceable in any way.
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They will send balifs and take your TV, care and wife
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Pay them fast!!!
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That's because you're from Chelsea, you tip your paper boy more than that
Look at these jealous peasants
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Digby atleast we can sleep at night knowing we are law abiding citizens who park legally.
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Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
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posted 37 minutes ago
Digby atleast we can sleep at night knowing we are law abiding citizens who park legally.
Who you kidding Lala Yusuf Bhai?
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Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
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Please return to Leicester bald peasant
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comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
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Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
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righto you council flat meatball
Points to consider:
You will not be admitting liability by appealing. In the case of a private company issuing a parking ticket; the appeal process is undertaken internally. It is not carried out by an independent adjudicator. There is no likelihood that a private commercial business would chose to rule against itself during such an appeal hearing.
So the appeal process is bound to fail, but you must partake in the process in order to later satisfy a county court that you first exhausted all options.
The only legal recourse that this company will have will be via the county court process. They wont have the same powers or legal recourse as a council who issue tickets via the PCN. Only tickets issued by a local authority or charging authority are classed as PCN. Private companies often call their tickets PCN; but they don't have the same legal definition or recourse.
I'm not sure what your grounds for appeal would be, but you need to state your intention regarding the fine, and make it clear that you do not intend to pay. It will then be down to the issuing company to decide whether or not you are worth pursuing in the county courts.
Wait and see if a letter is sent in the registered owners name. If it is, then you follow the appeal process. All correspondence should be titled "Without Prejudice" and then state your intent. If you don't get a letter, then you are free and clear.
Private companies rarely if ever chase up parking tickets as most have no access to the DVLA database. This is largely due to the fact that they are not registered correctly to access this information; and most do not conform to the DVLA's strict regulations and code of practice.
If they take you to court; then you will need to satisfy a judge that in all probability the ticket was issued incorrectly or unfairly.
I hope this helps.
M
M is a liar, pay up first before they ship you off to Alcatraz
I forgot add that it will cost the issuing company £70 to take you to County Court; which they get back as costs if they are successful.
So its not really worth the risk on their part to spend £70 in order to pursue a debt of £60/£100, as they might lose the case and they would then incur your legal costs; which you can set within reason.
Firstly, they need to get your name and contact details from the DVLA, which as I mentioned is unlikely.
M
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 10 minutes ago
M is a liar, pay up first before they ship you off to Alcatraz
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Alcatraz closed over thirty years ago. But I suspect there are small rodents living there that have an higher IQ than you Digby.
I also suspect the walls of Alcatraz to be cleaner than those of your mothers living room.
Happy Easter.
M
Thanks for that info M. The only other thing I am aware of is that if a company is a member of BPA, which I believe this company is, they can legally obtain my details from DVLA. As I am not the keeper of the car, is it worth letting the company keeper know to ignore any letters on my behalf?
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posted on 26/3/16
Redd, the only reason why I'd like to contest it rather than ignoring it as if a company is a member of the British Parking Association (BPA) they can obtain details of the registered keeper of your car through DVLA.
Now because the keeper of my car is a company my employer uses to give us lease/company cars, I don't want letters forwarded on to my employer as they have my reg. If I was the keeper of the car I would definitely have binned the notice by now. As far as I am aware contesting a charge is not admitting liability?
posted on 26/3/16
They wouldn't even show you ID?
Fack them.
posted on 26/3/16
Tu Meke he was an annoying guy and was just like "oh I aint going to show ID, the company have called me out here to issue you tickets". He had that stupid pad thing.
First Kebab thats ever cost me £105
posted on 26/3/16
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Thank God for Clippity Klopp (U12976)
posted 10 minutes ago
Put in in the bin and forget about it.
Next steps will be about 5-6 threatening letters and then they will stop.
I have done this on about 7 occasions, 3 in the same carpark.
If it's a council run car park pay up, if it's a traffic warden or police ticket, pay up.
If it's private car park, ignore it. It's nothing more than an invoice, it comes under contractual law and they would have to prove you agreed with the contract when parking. Google it or check out money saving expert.
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This - No need for me to post advice as it would only repeat the above
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do this!! spot on advice, back in the day they clamped you now they cant
posted on 26/3/16
Pay them fast!!!
posted on 26/3/16
Go back, take pictures of how badly signed it was, send all to them and tell them you will see them in court and have engaged some ambulance chasers
The above is right.
The moment they see pics that a judge will just say get out and stop wasting my time to they won't spend a cent on any chasing.
posted on 26/3/16
From previous experience .. bin it and forget about it .. these outfits are the one time wheel clampers who received an almighty "go fck yerself" from the authorities a few of years ago.
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 59 minutes ago
Pay them fast!!!
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I would do this to be honest.
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 59 minutes ago
Pay them fast!!!
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I would do this to be honest.
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Screw them. Unless you knew what the penalty was and knowingly entered into the contract. it is not legally enforceable in any way.
posted on 26/3/16
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posted on 26/3/16
They will send balifs and take your TV, care and wife
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 59 minutes ago
Pay them fast!!!
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I would do this to be honest.
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That's because you're from Chelsea, you tip your paper boy more than that
posted on 26/3/16
Look at these jealous peasants
posted on 26/3/16
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posted on 26/3/16
Digby atleast we can sleep at night knowing we are law abiding citizens who park legally.
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Mr Chelsea. (U3579)
posted 37 minutes ago
Digby atleast we can sleep at night knowing we are law abiding citizens who park legally.
Who you kidding Lala Yusuf Bhai?
posted on 26/3/16
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
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Please return to Leicester bald peasant
posted on 26/3/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look at these jealous peasants
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Don't you try basking in glory you cheap skate goner
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Please return to Leicester bald peasant
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righto you council flat meatball
posted on 26/3/16
Guilty
posted on 27/3/16
Points to consider:
You will not be admitting liability by appealing. In the case of a private company issuing a parking ticket; the appeal process is undertaken internally. It is not carried out by an independent adjudicator. There is no likelihood that a private commercial business would chose to rule against itself during such an appeal hearing.
So the appeal process is bound to fail, but you must partake in the process in order to later satisfy a county court that you first exhausted all options.
The only legal recourse that this company will have will be via the county court process. They wont have the same powers or legal recourse as a council who issue tickets via the PCN. Only tickets issued by a local authority or charging authority are classed as PCN. Private companies often call their tickets PCN; but they don't have the same legal definition or recourse.
I'm not sure what your grounds for appeal would be, but you need to state your intention regarding the fine, and make it clear that you do not intend to pay. It will then be down to the issuing company to decide whether or not you are worth pursuing in the county courts.
Wait and see if a letter is sent in the registered owners name. If it is, then you follow the appeal process. All correspondence should be titled "Without Prejudice" and then state your intent. If you don't get a letter, then you are free and clear.
Private companies rarely if ever chase up parking tickets as most have no access to the DVLA database. This is largely due to the fact that they are not registered correctly to access this information; and most do not conform to the DVLA's strict regulations and code of practice.
If they take you to court; then you will need to satisfy a judge that in all probability the ticket was issued incorrectly or unfairly.
I hope this helps.
M
posted on 27/3/16
M is a liar, pay up first before they ship you off to Alcatraz
posted on 27/3/16
I forgot add that it will cost the issuing company £70 to take you to County Court; which they get back as costs if they are successful.
So its not really worth the risk on their part to spend £70 in order to pursue a debt of £60/£100, as they might lose the case and they would then incur your legal costs; which you can set within reason.
Firstly, they need to get your name and contact details from the DVLA, which as I mentioned is unlikely.
M
posted on 27/3/16
comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 10 minutes ago
M is a liar, pay up first before they ship you off to Alcatraz
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Alcatraz closed over thirty years ago. But I suspect there are small rodents living there that have an higher IQ than you Digby.
I also suspect the walls of Alcatraz to be cleaner than those of your mothers living room.
Happy Easter.
M
posted on 27/3/16
Thanks for that info M. The only other thing I am aware of is that if a company is a member of BPA, which I believe this company is, they can legally obtain my details from DVLA. As I am not the keeper of the car, is it worth letting the company keeper know to ignore any letters on my behalf?
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