comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
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Good point, the diamond does tend to need the width to come from the FBs, and i guess with no natural wingers now in the squad some attacking FBs are even more crucial.
given that, so i hear, cahill is receiving injections for a dodgy knee, the 3 CBs really does look a risk (and stones may have impressed in the two recent england games, but he has had a horrible season, very brave to have him as one of our starting CB pair)
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think not taking another holding midfielder could be an issue, though I think Roy believes Henderson can play the role.
Not playing with wingers? If we come up against another team who plays a diamond or a tight three in the middle then having the option of a flying winger would be useful.
The problems with the sqaud IMO are: 1) Shoehorning Rooney into the side at the expense of others 2) The reliability of Wilshire and Sturridge 3) The defence 4) the form of players such as Sterling, Henderson, Barkley, Stones.
The positives are: 1) Young sqaud 2) Genuine goal threat from a number of centre forwards 3) the majority of players are actually coming into the tournament on decent-good form.
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As soon as rashford was included and Sturridge Rooney should have been dropped not shoehorned into a midfield role.
Square pegs round holes all over again.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
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Good point, the diamond does tend to need the width to come from the FBs, and i guess with no natural wingers now in the squad some attacking FBs are even more crucial.
given that, so i hear, cahill is receiving injections for a dodgy knee, the 3 CBs really does look a risk (and stones may have impressed in the two recent england games, but he has had a horrible season, very brave to have him as one of our starting CB pair)
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He has made an odd choice there really. If you are goung for 3 CBs (and relying on Dier to be emergency #4) then there really does need to be some contingency for Dier. It is a vital role too.
Personally I would go with Stones and let him play his way out of his slump. Not a big fan of Mike myself.
Wilshere at the base of a diamond is a recipe for disaster ! If yo are going to play him at all let him play further upfield so when he does lose it it won't be as dangerous !
Disappointed Drinkwater isn't going. I would have started him alongside Dier in front of a back four to shield it and make us much harder to beat.
Then let Alli Kane and Vardy do their thing and hopefully Sterling too. Rooney on the bench !
With that squad, my first XI is....
.......................Hart
Walker....Cahill....Stones....Rose
.......................Dier
...........Wilshere....Milner.
.........................Alli
..................Kane....Vardy
<pray for Dier>
As soon as rashford was included and Sturridge Rooney should have been dropped not shoehorned into a midfield role.
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Rooney scored the other day and was not playing in midfield. Roy doesn't set up like LvG was for UTD.
Rooney's form and fitness might finally be right for a summer tournament. Quite why Sturridge would take his spot is beyond me... even if you want to take the season long form rather than the last couple of months.
That back four is so bad.
<pray the opposition strikers can't hit a barn door>
HRH - This is what I wanted but now Drinkwater isn't going.
.......................Hart
Walker....Cahill....Smalling....Rose
...............Dier......Drinkwater
..........Sterling....Alli.....Vardy
..................Kane....
As Woy will pick Rooney I suspect Alli and Wilshere may start and Vardy on the bench
Walker shouldn't be in the team he's a facking clown
I'm wondering if some of you are commenting on the back four based on a few seasons back... not this season.... Walker, Smalling and Rose have all had very good seasons.... The other CB spot is tricky, but those 3, if they stay fit and in form, could be a decent unit.
Cahill was in his back four.
But it was mainly based on all four of those looking poor for England. Conceding goals is gonna be our biggest problem this summer.
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Walker shouldn't be in the team he's a facking clown
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Walker has been very good all season
We had the best defence in the division, despite not setting up defensively, and Walker has been as good as most in that. Before you bring up Newcastle, they only had two when he went off!
Walker and Rose both had very good seasons. They need more cover than just Dier though and that's why I wanted Drinkwater in the squad and team !
I suspect it's why HRH has Milner in his side to be a water carrier as he is a limited footballer but works hard
and isn't afraid to get stuck in and be nasty if necessary
I'd not see why Sturridge is a question if he's fit
Is it 13 goals in barely half a season with a better mins to goal ratio than anyone else?
I really don't understand the defensive situation. One DM player to cover? What happens if he gets injured or sent off? Is Ross Barkley going to play DM? Why take the extra striker and Barkley? Strange. Is he dating Roy's Daughter?
Drinkwater had to go as soon as Delph got injured. Madness. One thing JM is not is a DM player. He can cover FB / WM / CM
The idea that you'd only take 3 CB's, have Dier as cover then not take another decent DM.....madness, really.
Once Deli Alli emerged we just didn't need Barkley anymore. His form has done nothing to justify his inclusion for months. Even Rooney has been better. In a Number 10 type role you'd play Alli, Rooney, Sterling and even Wilshere ahead of Barkley. Why is he there?
A Diamond, be serious. Wilshere at the base, no. The defense is terrible, it needs solid cover.
England will do the usual. They'll spark to life at some point before the usual tragic failure on penalties etc.
Roy will then get another contract for the next 4 years
comment by The Cruyff Turn (U17867)
posted 1 minute ago
Walker and Rose both had very good seasons. They need more cover than just Dier though and that's why I wanted Drinkwater in the squad and team !
I suspect it's why HRH has Milner in his side to be a water carrier as he is a limited footballer but works hard
and isn't afraid to get stuck in and be nasty if necessary
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I would have had both Milner and Drinkwater (if picked). Not JM's biggest fan but he is versatile, and the epitomy of a team player.
If Dier drops in at the back, Milner could comfortably drop in to make a two.
If a fullback gets caught too high up, Milner will ably cover at fullback.
If a fullback can't get uo the pitch quickly, Milner is able to get wide if necessary.
If Alli goes wandering, Milner is able to drive on and get in the 10 position.
Gives us a bit of fluidity, and would hopefully allow our attacking three to not get bogged down doing other work
Most other set ups I would probably sit him out, but I think this is made for him
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd not see why Sturridge is a question if he's fit
Is it 13 goals in barely half a season with a better mins to goal ratio than anyone else?
I really don't understand the defensive situation. One DM player to cover? What happens if he gets injured or sent off? Is Ross Barkley going to play DM? Why take the extra striker and Barkley? Strange. Is he dating Roy's Daughter?
Drinkwater had to go as soon as Delph got injured. Madness. One thing JM is not is a DM player. He can cover FB / WM / CM
The idea that you'd only take 3 CB's, have Dier as cover then not take another decent DM.....madness, really.
Once Deli Alli emerged we just didn't need Barkley anymore. His form has done nothing to justify his inclusion for months. Even Rooney has been better. In a Number 10 type role you'd play Alli, Rooney, Sterling and even Wilshere ahead of Barkley. Why is he there?
A Diamond, be serious. Wilshere at the base, no. The defense is terrible, it needs solid cover.
England will do the usual. They'll spark to life at some point before the usual tragic failure on penalties etc.
Roy will then get another contract for the next 4 years
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It's Henderson's inclusion over Drinkwater is the question you should be asking. What does Henderson offer? Ross has scored 8 and has 8 assists. Henderson has been either injured or just plain garbage for Liverpool.
Henderson is awful - or at least in awful form. That is indubitable - but for in the eye of the most blinkered liverpool fan.
But just what is the point of Barkley? Not a fan generally but especially in this England set-up, he has little or nothing to contribute. He is in rotten form for Everton (marginally worse than normal) but internationally, every time i have seen him, he has looked all at sea.
Rooney is bad - has been for years. But even i must admit he deserves his place on the squad. On the team is another matter. Plus, his recent record for England has been exemplary.
I would have taken Drinkwater and left Henderson behind, but aside from that it's good. Good to see Hodgson decided to take Rashford. In 2 years when the next world cup comes, he'll potentially be England's number 1 Centre forward so this experience will be good for him.
Henderson is lucky. He's not really improved in the last couple of years. If he played for Leicester he'd have no chance of the squad
Drinkwater had to go. The inclusion of Barkley when there are 5 strikers and the other midfield players who will be playing ahead of him when you only have 1 DM player is a really strange call. With limited spaces I can't understand it
3 CB's, 1 DM yet 5 strikers and at least 3 other players than would play 10 ahead of RB
Yet, you just know England will fail and RH will get another contract!
Kane will be England's number one striker at the next world cup.
Could be. Could be Rashford though.
Far more likely to be Kane.
Good squad. Lots of options across midfield and attack, and the ability to switch formations at will.
The only criticism is one CB short, but the dross that qualifies for that role softens the blow.
Why? Rashford has more potential
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posted on 31/5/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
posted on 31/5/16
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
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Good point, the diamond does tend to need the width to come from the FBs, and i guess with no natural wingers now in the squad some attacking FBs are even more crucial.
given that, so i hear, cahill is receiving injections for a dodgy knee, the 3 CBs really does look a risk (and stones may have impressed in the two recent england games, but he has had a horrible season, very brave to have him as one of our starting CB pair)
posted on 31/5/16
comment by BruceAndPally (U8201)
posted 4 minutes ago
I think not taking another holding midfielder could be an issue, though I think Roy believes Henderson can play the role.
Not playing with wingers? If we come up against another team who plays a diamond or a tight three in the middle then having the option of a flying winger would be useful.
The problems with the sqaud IMO are: 1) Shoehorning Rooney into the side at the expense of others 2) The reliability of Wilshire and Sturridge 3) The defence 4) the form of players such as Sterling, Henderson, Barkley, Stones.
The positives are: 1) Young sqaud 2) Genuine goal threat from a number of centre forwards 3) the majority of players are actually coming into the tournament on decent-good form.
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As soon as rashford was included and Sturridge Rooney should have been dropped not shoehorned into a midfield role.
Square pegs round holes all over again.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't see why we need 2 right backs, when Milner could have been first reserve, freeing up a space for an extra CB.
Out of interest, all those wondering what the point of Barkley is, can you tell me what is the point of Lallana? 22 caps for England as a forward player, and not one goal.
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I would say if we are playing a diamond - which looks increasingly likely - then you need proper fullbacks, not makeshift ones. Ditto for any system really as we have just one winger.
Take one and you are a knock away from it falling apart. Spurs are very reliant on our fullbacks, and we have done the same all season. 4 fullbacks, 3 centrebacks and Dier
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Good point, the diamond does tend to need the width to come from the FBs, and i guess with no natural wingers now in the squad some attacking FBs are even more crucial.
given that, so i hear, cahill is receiving injections for a dodgy knee, the 3 CBs really does look a risk (and stones may have impressed in the two recent england games, but he has had a horrible season, very brave to have him as one of our starting CB pair)
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He has made an odd choice there really. If you are goung for 3 CBs (and relying on Dier to be emergency #4) then there really does need to be some contingency for Dier. It is a vital role too.
Personally I would go with Stones and let him play his way out of his slump. Not a big fan of Mike myself.
posted on 31/5/16
Wilshere at the base of a diamond is a recipe for disaster ! If yo are going to play him at all let him play further upfield so when he does lose it it won't be as dangerous !
Disappointed Drinkwater isn't going. I would have started him alongside Dier in front of a back four to shield it and make us much harder to beat.
Then let Alli Kane and Vardy do their thing and hopefully Sterling too. Rooney on the bench !
posted on 31/5/16
With that squad, my first XI is....
.......................Hart
Walker....Cahill....Stones....Rose
.......................Dier
...........Wilshere....Milner.
.........................Alli
..................Kane....Vardy
<pray for Dier>
posted on 31/5/16
As soon as rashford was included and Sturridge Rooney should have been dropped not shoehorned into a midfield role.
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Rooney scored the other day and was not playing in midfield. Roy doesn't set up like LvG was for UTD.
Rooney's form and fitness might finally be right for a summer tournament. Quite why Sturridge would take his spot is beyond me... even if you want to take the season long form rather than the last couple of months.
posted on 31/5/16
That back four is so bad.
<pray the opposition strikers can't hit a barn door>
posted on 31/5/16
HRH - This is what I wanted but now Drinkwater isn't going.
.......................Hart
Walker....Cahill....Smalling....Rose
...............Dier......Drinkwater
..........Sterling....Alli.....Vardy
..................Kane....
As Woy will pick Rooney I suspect Alli and Wilshere may start and Vardy on the bench
posted on 31/5/16
Walker shouldn't be in the team he's a facking clown
posted on 31/5/16
I'm wondering if some of you are commenting on the back four based on a few seasons back... not this season.... Walker, Smalling and Rose have all had very good seasons.... The other CB spot is tricky, but those 3, if they stay fit and in form, could be a decent unit.
posted on 31/5/16
Cahill was in his back four.
But it was mainly based on all four of those looking poor for England. Conceding goals is gonna be our biggest problem this summer.
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Better Call Martial - Football taught by Matt ... (U11781)
posted 4 minutes ago
Walker shouldn't be in the team he's a facking clown
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Walker has been very good all season
We had the best defence in the division, despite not setting up defensively, and Walker has been as good as most in that. Before you bring up Newcastle, they only had two when he went off!
posted on 31/5/16
Walker and Rose both had very good seasons. They need more cover than just Dier though and that's why I wanted Drinkwater in the squad and team !
I suspect it's why HRH has Milner in his side to be a water carrier as he is a limited footballer but works hard
and isn't afraid to get stuck in and be nasty if necessary
posted on 31/5/16
I'd not see why Sturridge is a question if he's fit
Is it 13 goals in barely half a season with a better mins to goal ratio than anyone else?
I really don't understand the defensive situation. One DM player to cover? What happens if he gets injured or sent off? Is Ross Barkley going to play DM? Why take the extra striker and Barkley? Strange. Is he dating Roy's Daughter?
Drinkwater had to go as soon as Delph got injured. Madness. One thing JM is not is a DM player. He can cover FB / WM / CM
The idea that you'd only take 3 CB's, have Dier as cover then not take another decent DM.....madness, really.
Once Deli Alli emerged we just didn't need Barkley anymore. His form has done nothing to justify his inclusion for months. Even Rooney has been better. In a Number 10 type role you'd play Alli, Rooney, Sterling and even Wilshere ahead of Barkley. Why is he there?
A Diamond, be serious. Wilshere at the base, no. The defense is terrible, it needs solid cover.
England will do the usual. They'll spark to life at some point before the usual tragic failure on penalties etc.
Roy will then get another contract for the next 4 years
posted on 31/5/16
comment by The Cruyff Turn (U17867)
posted 1 minute ago
Walker and Rose both had very good seasons. They need more cover than just Dier though and that's why I wanted Drinkwater in the squad and team !
I suspect it's why HRH has Milner in his side to be a water carrier as he is a limited footballer but works hard
and isn't afraid to get stuck in and be nasty if necessary
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I would have had both Milner and Drinkwater (if picked). Not JM's biggest fan but he is versatile, and the epitomy of a team player.
If Dier drops in at the back, Milner could comfortably drop in to make a two.
If a fullback gets caught too high up, Milner will ably cover at fullback.
If a fullback can't get uo the pitch quickly, Milner is able to get wide if necessary.
If Alli goes wandering, Milner is able to drive on and get in the 10 position.
Gives us a bit of fluidity, and would hopefully allow our attacking three to not get bogged down doing other work
Most other set ups I would probably sit him out, but I think this is made for him
posted on 31/5/16
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'd not see why Sturridge is a question if he's fit
Is it 13 goals in barely half a season with a better mins to goal ratio than anyone else?
I really don't understand the defensive situation. One DM player to cover? What happens if he gets injured or sent off? Is Ross Barkley going to play DM? Why take the extra striker and Barkley? Strange. Is he dating Roy's Daughter?
Drinkwater had to go as soon as Delph got injured. Madness. One thing JM is not is a DM player. He can cover FB / WM / CM
The idea that you'd only take 3 CB's, have Dier as cover then not take another decent DM.....madness, really.
Once Deli Alli emerged we just didn't need Barkley anymore. His form has done nothing to justify his inclusion for months. Even Rooney has been better. In a Number 10 type role you'd play Alli, Rooney, Sterling and even Wilshere ahead of Barkley. Why is he there?
A Diamond, be serious. Wilshere at the base, no. The defense is terrible, it needs solid cover.
England will do the usual. They'll spark to life at some point before the usual tragic failure on penalties etc.
Roy will then get another contract for the next 4 years
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It's Henderson's inclusion over Drinkwater is the question you should be asking. What does Henderson offer? Ross has scored 8 and has 8 assists. Henderson has been either injured or just plain garbage for Liverpool.
posted on 31/5/16
Henderson is awful - or at least in awful form. That is indubitable - but for in the eye of the most blinkered liverpool fan.
But just what is the point of Barkley? Not a fan generally but especially in this England set-up, he has little or nothing to contribute. He is in rotten form for Everton (marginally worse than normal) but internationally, every time i have seen him, he has looked all at sea.
Rooney is bad - has been for years. But even i must admit he deserves his place on the squad. On the team is another matter. Plus, his recent record for England has been exemplary.
posted on 31/5/16
I would have taken Drinkwater and left Henderson behind, but aside from that it's good. Good to see Hodgson decided to take Rashford. In 2 years when the next world cup comes, he'll potentially be England's number 1 Centre forward so this experience will be good for him.
posted on 31/5/16
Henderson is lucky. He's not really improved in the last couple of years. If he played for Leicester he'd have no chance of the squad
Drinkwater had to go. The inclusion of Barkley when there are 5 strikers and the other midfield players who will be playing ahead of him when you only have 1 DM player is a really strange call. With limited spaces I can't understand it
3 CB's, 1 DM yet 5 strikers and at least 3 other players than would play 10 ahead of RB
Yet, you just know England will fail and RH will get another contract!
posted on 31/5/16
Kane will be England's number one striker at the next world cup.
posted on 31/5/16
Could be. Could be Rashford though.
posted on 31/5/16
Far more likely to be Kane.
posted on 31/5/16
Good squad. Lots of options across midfield and attack, and the ability to switch formations at will.
The only criticism is one CB short, but the dross that qualifies for that role softens the blow.
posted on 31/5/16
Why? Rashford has more potential
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